IMDB Ratings

Sweepy the Cat · July 2008

DN - 7.3
FRWL - 7.5
GF - 7.9
TB - 7.0
YOLT - 7.0
OHMSS - 6.9
DAF - 6.7
LALD - 6.8
TMWTGG - 6.6
TSWLM - 7.1
MR - 6.1
FYEO - 6.8
OP - 6.5
AVTAK - 6.0
TLD - 6.6
LTK - 6.5
GE - 7.1
TND - 6.4
TWINE - 6.3
DAD - 6.1
CR - 8.0

Bit low don't you think?
Her they are in order:

1. CR
2. GF
3. FRWL
4. DN
5. TSWLM/GE
6. TB/YOLT
7. OHMSS
8. LALD/FYEO
9. DAF
10. TMWTGG/TLD
11. OP/LTK
12. TND
13. TWINE
14. DAD/MR
15. AVTAK

A poor list and all IMO.
What do you think?

Thomas Crown · July 2008

Sweepy the Cat wrote:

DN - 7.3
FRWL - 7.5
GF - 7.9
TB - 7.0
YOLT - 7.0
OHMSS - 6.9
DAF - 6.7
LALD - 6.8
TMWTGG - 6.6
TSWLM - 7.1
MR - 6.1
FYEO - 6.8
OP - 6.5
AVTAK - 6.0
TLD - 6.6
LTK - 6.5
GE - 7.1
TND - 6.4
TWINE - 6.3
DAD - 6.1
CR - 8.0

Bit low don't you think?
Her they are in order:

1. CR
2. GF
3. FRWL
4. DN
5. TSWLM/GE
6. TB/YOLT
7. OHMSS
8. LALD/FYEO
9. DAF
10. TMWTGG/TLD
11. OP/LTK
12. TND
13. TWINE
14. DAD
15. AVTAK

A poor list and all IMO.
What do you think?

A few things to consider about the IMDB rankings:

1. They are done by general movie audiences rather than just Bond fans, so their love of the series and interest in judging the films by their own unique standards is lower.

2. IMDB does a unique thing in that its rankings are scaled to favor the highest posting members. Thus, it would not be correct to say this list or these numbers really represent anything consequential.

Moores Left Eyebrow · July 2008

As TC has already stated above, i'd say its very difficult to rank the Bond films in order off IMDB. Anything over about 6.5/10 seems to be a reasonable score on there!

That said, how 'A View To A Kill' scored less then the awful 'Die Another Day' is beyond me. I feel people who aren't hardcore Bond fans have a rather pre-concieved opinion of AVTAK from what they've heard, where as DAD strolled away from what we all love about Bond and attempted to turn itself into a modern day action movie. This may well explain the slightly higher mark as non-Bond fans could sit through it easier?

Personally, i don't have any complaints with the top 3. CR, FRWL & GF would be more or less in my personal top 3/4 as well.

Dan Same · July 2008

Moores Left Eyebrow wrote:

That said, how 'A View To A Kill' scored less then the awful 'Die Another Day' is beyond me. I feel people who aren't hardcore Bond fans have a rather pre-concieved opinion of AVTAK from what they've heard, where as DAD strolled away from what we all love about Bond and attempted to turn itself into a modern day action movie. This may well explain the slightly higher mark as non-Bond fans could sit through it easier?

I'm an absolute hardcore Bond fan, and I loathe AVYAK. It's my all-time least favourite Bond film, while DAD is only my all-time third least-favourite Bond film. Therefore, I don't think it's at all accurate to say that non-hardcore Bond fans are more likely to like it than hardcore Bond fans. Both are terrible films, and as far as I'm concerned both strolled away from what I love about Bond.

I will say though that one possible explanation for people ranking DAD above of ATAK (other than that they genuinely consider DAD to be a better film) is that they are less likely to have seen AVTAK. DAD was a box office smash, and most people with any interest in Bond would have seen it. Not as many people, however, would have seen AVTAK.

Lexi · July 2008

I'm obviously missing something big time as I really can't see how DN got a lower score than GF.

I just don't get GF....perhaps its a girl thing, but I really thought it a dissapointing movie.

I know I'm about to get a bashing, but I can't help it. I've tried, really tried, to like it, but I can't.

CR as top though, Brilliant! Totally agree! -{

Willie Garvin · July 2008

Ultimately these ratings have no special value.Like Thomas Crown says, they largely reflect the opinions of general filmgoers--and not all of them have seen(or care to see)each of the Bond films.The only rankings that have any true importance are the ones you choose to assign these movies.;)

Jarvio · July 2008

I know that AVTAK is mostly disliked, but c'mon, it's better than DAD. Undeniably better!

At least AVTAK has some things going for it, namely a great villain. DAD doesn't even have that, or anything for that matter.

Sir_Miles_Messervy · July 2008

Here are the Rotten Tomato Scores:

DN -- 97%
FRWL -- 97%
GF -- 96%
TB -- 90%
YOLT -- 70%
OHMSS -- 86%
DAF -- 65%
LALD -- 62%
TMWTGG -- 68%
TSWLM -- 83%
MR -- 64%
FYEO -- 76%
OP -- 43% (First rotten one)
AVTAK -- 48% (Second Rotten)
TLD -- 78%
LTK -- 67%
GE -- 81%
TND -- 54% (Third Rotten)
TWINE -- 54% (Fourth Rotten)
DAD -- 59% (Fifth Rotten)
CR -- 94%

And in order:

DN -- 97%
FRWL -- 97%
GF -- 96%
CR -- 94%
TB -- 90%
OHMSS -- 86%
TSWLM -- 83%
GE -- 81%
TLD -- 78%
FYEO -- 76%
YOLT -- 70%
TMWTGG -- 68%
LTK -- 67%
DAF -- 65%
MR -- 64%
LALD -- 62%
DAD -- 59%
TND -- 54%
TWINE -- 54%
AVTAK -- 48%
OP -- 43%

About the Tomato-Meter
"The Rotten Tomatoes Tomatometer is our unique rating system that summarizes the opinions of respected film critics into an easy-to-use percentage. The Tomatometer is comprised of a discrete list of film critics from accredited media outlets and online film societies so that an identical set of opinions is reflected from movie to movie.
Film critics who meet specific criteria will now be able to have their film reviews and ratings as part of the Rotten Tomatoes Tomatometer."

Krassno Granitski · July 2008

I think DAD is the worst, but I am glad to see this rating.
OP -- 43% (First rotten one)
OP sucks!

By the way Never Say Never Again (1983)-- 61%

Moores Left Eyebrow · July 2008

Dan Same wrote:

Moores Left Eyebrow wrote:

That said, how 'A View To A Kill' scored less then the awful 'Die Another Day' is beyond me. I feel people who aren't hardcore Bond fans have a rather pre-concieved opinion of AVTAK from what they've heard, where as DAD strolled away from what we all love about Bond and attempted to turn itself into a modern day action movie. This may well explain the slightly higher mark as non-Bond fans could sit through it easier?

I'm an absolute hardcore Bond fan, and I loathe AVYAK. It's my all-time least favourite Bond film, while DAD is only my all-time third least-favourite Bond film. Therefore, I don't think it's at all accurate to say that non-hardcore Bond fans are more likely to like it than hardcore Bond fans. Both are terrible films, and as far as I'm concerned both strolled away from what I love about Bond.

I will say though that one possible explanation for people ranking DAD above of ATAK (other than that they genuinely consider DAD to be a better film) is that they are less likely to have seen AVTAK. DAD was a box office smash, and most people with any interest in Bond would have seen it. Not as many people, however, would have seen AVTAK.

You have hit the nail on the head with a better explanation then myself there! More people would have seen DAD as it was a box office hit.

Of course there will be personal opinions on which films people like, i happened to enjoy 'AVTAK' - but am aware others think differently.

Little unfair of RT to rate so many of the reasonable Bond films like OP so low!

Krassno Granitski · July 2008

Moores Left Eyebrow wrote:

Little unfair of RT to rate so many of the reasonable Bond films like OP so low!

??? What is so unfair about it? The majority of the critics felt it was a poor movie, when asked to review it.

Dan Same · July 2008

Krassno Granitski wrote:

Moores Left Eyebrow wrote:

Little unfair of RT to rate so many of the reasonable Bond films like OP so low!

??? What is so unfair about it? The majority of the critics felt it was a poor movie, when asked to review it.

I think he's saying that he doesn't agree with its ranking.

Neither do I, although I've long come to terms with it that OP is a very unpopular film.

Krassno Granitski · July 2008

Dan Same wrote:

I think he's saying that he doesn't agree with its ranking.

Well then say that. "Unfair" has nothing to do with it. He implies that they picked on poor little octopussy, when in fact most critics who reviewed it did not like it, nothing unfair about it.

Moores Left Eyebrow · July 2008

Krassno Granitski wrote:

Moores Left Eyebrow wrote:

Little unfair of RT to rate so many of the reasonable Bond films like OP so low!

??? What is so unfair about it? The majority of the critics felt it was a poor movie, when asked to review it.

Again, all down to personal preferance. I enjoyed all of Moores Bond-outings. Not stating i cannot see the flaws, but OP was an entertaining enough film to earn a higher % score.

Jarvio · July 2008

I too love Octopussy and am kind of shocked it's the lowest ranked one, as I thought it was a bit more popular. Like AVTAK, OP is one of my favourites, and is in my top 3.

Something like DAD really should be at the bottom... for both Rotten Tomatos AND IMDB. It really is that bad IMO.

Krassno Granitski · July 2008

Moores Left Eyebrow wrote:

Not stating i cannot see the flaws, but OP was an entertaining enough film to earn a higher % score.

I don't think it's entertainment value is in question.

I do think that the quality of the movie is what it's judged upon-
script/story/plot/screenplay, direction, acting, music, editing, visual effects, makeup, cinematography and so on.....

Moores Left Eyebrow · August 2008

Story/Plot - Bond is assigned the task of following a general stealing jewels and relics from the Russian government. This leads him to Kamal Khan & In turn he meets Octopussy (typical Bond scenario.)He uncovers a plot to force disarmament in Europe with the use of a nuclear weapon (another typical Bond situation) - What is it about the story/plot that you don't like?

Acting - Octopussy was nominated for an Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy & Horror Films award with Maud Adams nominated for the Saturn Award in the Best Fantasy Supporting Actress category. The film won the Golden Screen Award in Germany and the Golden Reel Award for Best Sound Editing. Like i stated previously, its all down to personal preferance. Its very easy to pick a Bond you don't like and cherry pick reviews from certain sites that support you. It doesn't make it FACT.

Make Up - Are you serious? Clown Costume (one of the more slated scenes i admit) Circus outfits/ Octopussy hereself and the 'cult' members, as well as the Russian Contingent etc. To state the film deserves marking down in percentage based on 'make-up' is surely again down to personal preferance? I actually liked the clown outfit scene. It was aimed to show humour & irony amongst a very dangerous and potentially lethal situation. Each to their own on that front.

Music - Not one of my personal favourite themetunes or scores, but even so, Ritas themetune 'All Time High' spent 4 weeks at number 1 in the US Billboard Singles Chart. There are obviously people out there who disagree with your sentiments that the music deserves a poor review. The music during the film never jumped out at me as particually poor. It did what it needed to.

For one of the 'weaker' Bonds, it still performed better then 'Never Say Never Again' which was released at the same time. Like i've said before, its very easy to argue positives and negatives for each and every Bond, as i'm sure most on here do - But by stating i felt it was a little 'unfair' of Rotten Toms to rate it below 50% is purely a statement of my belief that, OP is an underrated Bond.

Sweepy the Cat · October 2008

3 months on...

DN - 7.3
FRWL - 7.5
GF - 7.9
TB - 7.0
YOLT - 7.0
OHMSS - 6.9
DAF - 6.7
LALD - 6.8
TMWTGG - 6.6
TSWLM - 7.1
MR - 6.1
FYEO - 6.8
OP - 6.5
AVTAK - 6.1
TLD - 6.7
LTK - 6.5
GE - 7.1
TND - 6.4
TWINE - 6.3
DAD - 6.0
CR - 8.0

1. CR
2. GF
3. FRWL
4. DN
5. TSWLM/GE
6. TB/YOLT
7. OHMSS
8. LALD/FYEO
9. DAF/TLD
10. TMWTGG
11. OP/LTK
12. TND
13. TWINE
14. AVTAK/MR
15. DAD

AVTAK: 6.0 > 6.1
TLD: 6.6 > 6.7
DAD: 6.1 > 6.0

ohmss1969 · October 2008

"I know that AVTAK is mostly disliked, but c'mon, it's better than DAD. Undeniably better!"

Zorin :

There's one obstacle : the site IMDB !

I propose.....to end....the domination....of that site....and leave *us* in control of the Internet !

This will hurt IMDB more than me ! :v

Sweepy the Cat · November 2008

DN - 7.3
FRWL - 7.5
GF - 7.9
TB - 7.0
YOLT - 7.0
OHMSS - 6.9
DAF - 6.7
LALD - 6.8
TMWTGG - 6.6
TSWLM - 7.1
MR - 6.1
FYEO - 6.8
OP - 6.5
AVTAK - 6.1
TLD - 6.7
LTK - 6.5
GE - 7.1
TND - 6.4
TWINE - 6.3
DAD - 6.0
CR - 8.0
QOS - 7.8

01. CR
02. GF
03. QOS
04. FRWL
05. DN
06. TSWLM/GE
07. TB/YOLT
08. OHMSS
09. LALD/FYEO
10. DAF/TLD
11. TMWTGG
12. OP/LTK
13. TND
14. TWINE
15. AVTAK/MR
16. DAD

Colonel Shatner · November 2008

Tomorrow Never Dies is not far from getting an appropriate score on IMDb and is hugely underrated on Rotten Tomatoes (GoldenEye is naturally overrated on RT, but not so much on IMDb).

DrMaybe · November 2008

Any schmuck with a mouse can rate at IMDB. I take their ratings for what they are, crank posts. I think I saw Gone with the Wind ranked as the 168th greatest film, once. WTF.

Dan Same · November 2008

DrMaybe wrote:

Any schmuck with a mouse can rate at IMDB. I take their ratings for what they are, crank posts. I think I saw Gone with the Wind ranked as the 168th greatest film, once. WTF.

You think it should have been ranked lower? :v (I certainly do. GWTW must IMO rank as one of the most overrated films ever made.)

Like Dr, I also don't take IMDB ratings all that seriously. Truth be told, I don't take most polls seriously (except for some reason, the ones which I agree with :v

); just kidding), however I do think that IMDB's ratings are significant in that they repressent the 'average' fan moreso than some of the so-called serious polls such as the AFI's list of the 100 greatest American films of all time and Sight & Sound's various polls (which are all great).

One could argue that the IMDB's poll is too American-centric and skews to recent films too much, but looking it just now (the top include the first two Godfather and The Good, The Bad and The Ugly) shows that to me, one doesn't need to be a critic to have great taste in cinema. I have no problem with 'serious' polls (when the AFI's list of the 100 greatest American films of all time was released, I spent ages studying it and its statistics, and still remember the top 10), but too many people make a mistake in believing that the general public are uneducated about cinema, when in fact, many of the least educated people I've met on the topic of cinema have been those who have proclaimed themselves to be experts. However I'm getting off-topic.

If there is a flaw regarding IMDB's poll, I would identify as being the continuity of the poll. That is to say, because it's on-going, films which are released recently are automatically advantaged. It's a strength as it reflects how IMDB voters think about cinema every moment, but it's also a flaw. Additionally, of course, how many times one can vote is also problematic. But generally speaking, I don't think that the IMDB voters, in terms of their greatest 250 films, have done such a bad job at all.

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