DC wears "ecco Berlin" shoes in QoS

Justin TimeJustin Time Posts: 8MI6 Agent
Hi folks,

I've been reading this forum since last weekend, and I especially fell in love with the memorabilia & collecting area of this board. As I don't just want to profit from your great research work and tips where to find things, I decided to register and give you a moreless exclusive hint of what Daniel Craig wears in the new Quantum of Solace movie.

I happen to live close to Bregenz. Exactly, Bregenz with the floating stage where the movie was shot. As they shot the scenes, Daniel was struggeling with his shoes. He had some action scenes inside the opera building and he was just sliding around on the leather soles. So Mrs Fogley, the personal assistant from DC, and Mrs Hawkins, cuostume designerin of QoS, set off on 1st may to get some new shoes. First they wanted to penetrate some shoes from england, but then portier of the hotel they stayed in, the "Weißes Kreuz" in Bregenz, connected them with a local shoe dealer, who opened his store on this holiday (1st may is a holiday in austria).
They set off with a couple of different shoes and Daniel Craig chose the "ecco Berlin" in size 43. He wears them during the fight / chase scenes at the "Bregenz part" of the movie.

Here are some images of the shoe and how the both ladies acquired it. I already bought a pair of them and they are a dream to wear. I work at a bank currently and they became my favourite pair of shoes. Plus it's quite cool to sit on the place where Daniel Craig sat during an interview in the seebühne and enjoy your lunch, wearing these shoes, a suit and the Persol 2720.

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The owner of the store, Robert Vögel; a saleswoman; Louise Frogley and Justine Hawkins
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The shoe DC chose.

BTW: Tomorrow I'll watch the opera "Tosca", featured in QoS live on the floating stage. Rumors say Daniel Craig will come to the opening night on 23rd of July. A friend of mine, who works at the Festspiele told me today that EON wanted a lot of tickets for the first night, and that they got them. ;)

Cheers :)
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  • James BoldmanJames Boldman Amherst, MAPosts: 464MI6 Agent
    That's great info, Thanks!
  • The Bond ExperienceThe Bond Experience Newtown, PAPosts: 5,490Quartermasters
    GREAT info! Anyone have a link on where they can be purchased?
  • ufboy73ufboy73 usaPosts: 103MI6 Agent
    The Mantis wrote:

    the stitching looks a little bit different on the quarters than the OP pic?
  • Justin TimeJustin Time Posts: 8MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    It's this one:

    http://www.ecco.com/int/en/collection/men/1/business/10/49764/00101/detail.do
    But I think it's already the new model on the homepage, because the "ecco" logo is on a different place, but the stiching and shape is identical.

    In Austria we have dedicated "ecco" shops, who only sell ecco shoes, but you can also buy ecco shoes here at other local dealers. It's a danish brand with a high reputation where I live.
    The shoes have gore-tex technology, which is awesome as it rains quite often in my area. Absolutely love the shoe, it's really light, you think you are bare-feeted, and I think I'll buy a second pair before autumn

    Edit: Costs about 130 €.
  • The Bond ExperienceThe Bond Experience Newtown, PAPosts: 5,490Quartermasters
    Not to sound like a perfectionist but if anyone can acquire the right shoe with the right logo placement I can send them money and a GIFT.
  • The Bond ExperienceThe Bond Experience Newtown, PAPosts: 5,490Quartermasters
    Can you take a picture of the soles.
  • sruzgarsruzgar Welcome to ScotlandPosts: 1,468MI6 Agent
    Whats the name of the store?
  • Justin TimeJustin Time Posts: 8MI6 Agent
    Just sent you an E-Mail including a high-res image of the sole. :)
  • Justin TimeJustin Time Posts: 8MI6 Agent
    sruzgar wrote:
    Whats the name of the store?
    The store who supplied the shoes is

    schuhvögel

    Here's the website with contact information:
    http://www.voegel-schuh.at/pages/kontakt.htm
  • sruzgarsruzgar Welcome to ScotlandPosts: 1,468MI6 Agent
    can you send me the pcitures?
  • cpoulos62cpoulos62 Station UPosts: 451MI6 Agent
    It's this one:

    http://www.ecco.com/int/en/collection/men/1/business/10/49764/00101/detail.do
    But I think it's already the new model on the homepage, because the "ecco" logo is on a different place, but the stiching and shape is identical.

    In Austria we have dedicated "ecco" shops, who only sell ecco shoes, but you can also buy ecco shoes here at other local dealers. It's a danish brand with a high reputation where I live.
    The shoes have gore-tex technology, which is awesome as it rains quite often in my area. Absolutely love the shoe, it's really light, you think you are bare-feeted, and I think I'll buy a second pair before autumn

    Edit: Costs about 130 €.

    You are right, this is the new model. Need to find the older model.
  • MisterMan57MisterMan57 Posts: 67MI6 Agent
    This is a legitimate question, and not meant to anger anyone, but do you guys buy EVERYTHING simply because it is in a movie? What if you don't plan on wearing or using an item, or if you don't particularly like it, will you still buy it just because its in the movie? Does that make you feel good or something? Seems a little silly.
    Just curious.
  • The Bond ExperienceThe Bond Experience Newtown, PAPosts: 5,490Quartermasters
    I think its a GREAT question...I will usually only buy something if I look at it and I would wear it....sometimes I might buy it for the display but it must be very ICONIC to do that...
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    This is a legitimate question, and not meant to anger anyone, but do you guys buy EVERYTHING simply because it is in a movie? What if you don't plan on wearing or using an item, or if you don't particularly like it, will you still buy it just because its in the movie? Does that make you feel good or something? Seems a little silly.
    Just curious.

    This is a legitimate question as well. Why do you care how other people spend their money? I mean it seems like your jealous to me. In fact it's very transparent. If you work for your money, then you're entitled to spend it any way you like. As I said before, we are not communists.

    DG
    So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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  • SharpeSharpe Posts: 84MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    Actually, I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if alot of you do buy stuff solely because it's in a movie. Though to be honest, some of the things I buy I wouldn't have if I didn't see it in a movie - but I only buy something from a movie if I also like it, and I feel that the movie just brought the item to my attention.

    But it really struck me with this shoe in particular...it's just very obvious in this thread. The first guy happens to post a very average looking shoe...and then everyone just jumps on it in a frenzy to find where to get it, as if they must have everything they can get from the next bond movie? Sure, some of you might actually like that shoe...but I doubt most of you would look twice at it or be at all interested if it wasn't in bond.

    EDIT: And wow, donald, calm down. You seem incredibly defensive about it. I don't think he's jealous in the slightest...I think he's as perplexed by this 'frenzy' as I am. I find it even funnier that you say he's 'clearly' jealous, which to me, is 'clearly' a defense mechanism for you. Though I can see that the other guy's message is a bit of an attack, I just think he's making a few accurate observations.
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    Sharpe wrote:
    Actually, I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if alot of you do buy stuff solely because it's in a movie. Though to be honest, some of the things I buy I wouldn't have if I didn't see it in a movie - but I only buy something from a movie if I also like it, and I feel that the movie just brought the item to my attention.

    But it really struck me with this shoe in particular...it's just very obvious in this thread. The first guy happens to post a very average looking shoe...and then everyone just jumps on it in a frenzy to find where to get it, as if they must have everything they can get from the next bond movie? Sure, some of you might actually like that shoe...but I doubt most of you would look twice at it or be at all interested if it wasn't in bond.

    EDIT: And wow, donald, calm down. You seem incredibly defensive about it. I don't think he's jealous in the slightest...I think he's as perplexed by this 'frenzy' as I am. I find it even funnier that you say he's 'clearly' jealous, which to me, is 'clearly' a defense mechanism for you. Though I can see that the other guy's message is a bit of an attack, I just think he's making a few accurate observations.

    Not defensive at all. I have little interest in these shoes. However MisterMan57 has also gone on and on in the Madagascar shirt thread about how exclusive the shirt is and about how the fabric should be made available to him for purchase. What it adds up to in my mind is insecurity.

    This is the memoribilia and collecting thread after all. As the saying goes, "if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen". As for what you think of me, well lets just say I won't lose sleep over it. Perhaps you're insecure as well.

    DG
    So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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    "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
  • MisterMan57MisterMan57 Posts: 67MI6 Agent
    Thank you for being honest and civil Mantis, unlike some others on here, that shows a deal of maturity on your part. I very much appreciate your honesty. I have no problem with people buying something they see in a movie if they like it and plan to wear it or put it to practical use, as I do the same and as Sharpe said. I had some doubts and speculations as to your motivations for buying said items Mantis, but I respect that you addressed the question like a man.

    I do think it is strange and bears some semblance of going on an ego trip when people just buy up everything because they see it in a movie, regardless if they can afford it or not. It is a matter of pride for some, which I find to be truly sad. Its essentially saying, look what I have or can get, even though I might not like it. Its almost an addiction. Whats the point in that? Save your money and buy something you can use, unless you really love it for its iconic status like Mantis said.

    I completely agree with Sharpe's comments. I am glad someone else notices this. He is spot on with some members of this forum. I don't understand this obsessive buying "frenzy." People just immediately jump on to buy things because they are in Bond, which in this case the shoe could still technically be a rumor at this point because no one has seen the shoe in use in the movie. If Bond wore a t-shirt with the Kool-Aid man smack in the middle, would you buy it because it is in the movie? I love collecting and movies too, but have some passion and a slight of common sense with it. What's the point in just buying something to buy something because its in a movie? That perplexes me. Seems like a waste of money.

    And Donald, do I wish I had more money to spend on leisure or luxury items like some people on here? Absolutely, who honestly can say they don't? So if that makes me jealous, so be it, but then so are a hell of a lot of other people. I don't judge myself or others based on whether they have an Omega or some fancy suit and shoes or some random prop from a movie. You Donald, are the most immature person on this board without a doubt, and one of the most immature people I have encountered. You are inconsiderate and need to understand that arguments can be civilized. You seem to have some serious personal issues.
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    I read people for a living. I read you as insecure and probably very young. Give it time laddy. In the mean time don't lash out at others because they can. Just accept that at this point in time, you can't. I know it sucks somtimes, but hey that is life.

    DG
    So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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    "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
  • MisterMan57MisterMan57 Posts: 67MI6 Agent
    Not defensive at all. I have little interest in these shoes. However MisterMan57 has also gone on and on in the Madagascar shirt thread about how exclusive the shirt is and about how the fabric should be made available to him for purchase. What it adds up to in my mind is insecurity.

    This is the memoribilia and collecting thread after all. As the saying goes, "if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen". As for what you think of me, well lets just say I won't lose sleep over it. Perhaps you're insecure as well.

    DG[/quote]


    Donald you are an idiot plain and simple.

    Vying for other options to make the shirt possible for those who can't or don't to put up $400 for a shirt that you have never tried on is not insecure. I could come up with money, but I don't feel it is worth it at that price, especially without every seeing it or fitting it on myself, and at that price, thats a little absurd and also a little unfair. Maybe thats just me using common sense because I have some experience with clothing construction and a modicum of business reality.

    I asked for considerations because I loved the fabric and am passionate about clothing. I made suggestions, sell the fabric at yardage individually or sell the leftover fabric to another tailor like Indy who can make a shirt for a more reasonable price. How does that hurt you or others, other than maybe than bruising your imaginary ego?
    The price makes the shirt extremely exclusive already among an exclusive group of collectors, and many love that fact, which completely boggles my mind. If someone can't or doesn't want to pay the hundreds of dollars for the shirt, you tell them off, usually rudely albeit, and make it into an issue of pride amongst yourselves and take shots at people like me trying to make legitimate suggestions for other options. This relates back to the issue at hand with the shoes.
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    Not defensive at all. I have little interest in these shoes. However MisterMan57 has also gone on and on in the Madagascar shirt thread about how exclusive the shirt is and about how the fabric should be made available to him for purchase. What it adds up to in my mind is insecurity.

    This is the memoribilia and collecting thread after all. As the saying goes, "if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen". As for what you think of me, well lets just say I won't lose sleep over it. Perhaps you're insecure as well.

    DG


    Donald you are an idiot plain and simple.

    Vying for other options to make the shirt possible for those who can't or don't to put up $400 for a shirt that you have never tried on is not insecure. I could come up with money, but I don't feel it is worth it at that price, especially without every seeing it or fitting it on myself, and at that price, thats a little absurd and also a little unfair. Maybe thats just me using common sense because I have some experience with clothing construction and a modicum of business reality.

    I asked for considerations because I loved the fabric and am passionate about clothing. I made suggestions, sell the fabric at yardage individually or sell the leftover fabric to another tailor like Indy who can make a shirt for a more reasonable price. How does that hurt you or others, other than maybe than bruising your imaginary ego?
    The price makes the shirt extremely exclusive already among an exclusive group of collectors, and many love that fact, which completely boggles my mind. If someone can't or doesn't want to pay the hundreds of dollars for the shirt, you tell them off, usually rudely albeit, and make it into an issue of pride amongst yourselves and take shots at people like me trying to make legitimate suggestions for other options. This relates back to the issue at hand with the shoes.[/quote]

    I rest my case!

    But seriously, the shirt deal is not as about exclusivity but about cost to the guy who bought the fabric and his right to do what he wants with it. Since it's his fabric he can do what he likes with it. And you can elect not to buy it. Constantly bemoaning the cost and injustice of it all is childish and insecure. That does not mean you are a bad person just young and used to getting things your own way. It's o.k. laddy, I understand. We can still be pals.

    DG
    So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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  • SharpeSharpe Posts: 84MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    I read people for a living. I read you as insecure and probably very young. Give it time laddy. In the mean time don't lash out at others because they can. Just accept that at this point in time, you can't. I know it sucks somtimes, but hey that is life.

    DG

    For someone who apparently reads people for a living you do not seem terribly good at it, and seem to jump to the conclusion that everyone who 'attacks' you (see: disagrees with you) is insecure and young.

    Personally, I don't care if people on this forum can afford 10 omegas, a DB9, 400 dollar shirts and whatever else. More power to them for affording nice items. Most of us aren't attacking the purchases themselves, but rather, the motives behind them. Nor are we personally attacking most of the people here, merely the frenzy that some people get into over items only because of their presence in a movie and not for the merits of the item itself.

    And honestly, I think you're the one, more than anyone else here, who comes off as sounding very secure. Your jumping to conclusions that everyone is jealous that you can afford lots of luxury items, that you felt the need to slip in details of your occupation and your age as signs of maturity and your opinion meaning more, consistently calling others insecure. Perhaps instead of attempting to read others, a bit of introspective reading would do you some good.

    EDIT: I would also like to clarify that I understand this is a james bond collecting forum, and collecting for the sake of collecting is a fine hobby. But I think the line must be drawn somewhere, and these shoes, as hinted at by Mantis, aren't terribly iconic or really worthy of collecting. (although this is just my opinion..I understand that is also highly subjective). At the very least, they aren't worth a frenzy.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    8-) another Madagascar shirt discussion.

    You are accusing DG to jump on conclusions, that you guys are jealous on the ones, who can afford the shirts.
    You guys are jumping on conclusions, that the makers of this project are elitists and don't want to support you.
    You simply don't accept, that Paul and his gang are not giving away this fabric and no reasoning can convince you, if there would be one necessary.

    As Asp9mm in his eternal wisedom said: As you doubt the exclusivity of this fabric, buy some and everyone is happy.

    Coming back to the Ecco shoes, I did read this story in the context of an ebay auction recently, but I am not sure anymore, if someone offered pics from DC in that particular store or offered the same shoe model.

    I like the idea, that the shoes may appear in the movie and without this info, noone would have had a clue about the shoe model just like we have many unsolved riddles in the past (Do I have to recall the NATO Strap in GF?).

    I personally decided not to buy these shoes but would never comment on these, who decided in a different way. It's their decision and I respect their motives and I hope, that they do the same with me.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Justin TimeJustin Time Posts: 8MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    Well, first of all, sorry to have created such an upstir with this topic. I thought the shoe was a nice "insider" thing.
    I found out about it by a little story published on the website of a local media-company. Here'S the link to that story (http://www.vol.at/news/tp:vol:bond/artikel/bond-kauft-im-schuhhaus-voegel-ein/cn/news-20080505-11522042) and the video about it (http://video.vol.at/members.VOL_Live/flv-20080505_vollive_bondschuh_hk.flv/viewer.html). The article and the video are in german language, but it basically says that the two ladies, mentioned in the first post, approached the owner of the store for some simple black shoes with a rubber sole. They chose four pairs on thursday to give DC a choice, on saturday three pairs were returned, and the shoe Daniel Craig chose was the one I posted.
    I do not have any doubt about the story as there are images of the two bond staff ladies in the store and also with the shoe DC chose. As filming at the opera was behind closed doors there are no paparazzi snaps available, only the b-roll and that doesn't really show action scenes. The trailer of QoS only contains two half a second sequences shot at the opera and Marc Forster said that the sequence in Bregenz is very crucial for the movie and there will be a lot of action going on. I know some scenes the filmed at the opera, including where bond was walking around and where the villain sat, and some action content. Now I don't remember anymore what I wanted to say.

    Anyway, as requested, here's the sole of my shoe:
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    To give a short translation from the text:

    First of may (edit: a Thursday), the owner of the store, Mr. Vögel, received a call from Mrs. Kinz from the hotel "Weißes Kreuz" in Bregenz.

    Mrs. Kinz told him, that DCs personal assistant, Mrs. Louise Frogley and the head of costumes, Mrs. Justine Hawkins are both staying in her hotel and that they would be needing shoes for DC. Mr. Craig faced problems with the leather soles of his shoes on the first shooting day and he needed shoes with rubber soles therefore on that day. As all shops have been closed due to public holiday, the crew decided to fly in some shoes from London. Mrs. Kinz from the Hotel "Weißes Kreuz" solved the problem by calling Mr. Vögel who spontanuosly agreed to open his shop for the 2 ladies.

    The Ladies went by and chose 4 different shoe models and took them on consignment to present them to DC.

    On Saturday, Mrs. Fogley returned the not needed pairs and paid for the shoe of DCs choice: (edit: I think, that I have seen the returned shoes offered on ebay promoted to be shoes having been on DCs feet) a waterproof windtight classical men's shoe from Ecco in size 43.

    Mrs. Fogley thanked Mr. Vögel for his support and told him, that DC wore the shoes when shooting on Thursday and, that he has been very happy with them.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • The Bond ExperienceThe Bond Experience Newtown, PAPosts: 5,490Quartermasters
    edited July 2008
    I have a friend who is handicapped to the point he is in a wheel chair and his legs are extremely thin and quite gnarled. He told me once that he gets a lot of stares, mothers pulling their children away from him, and tons of whispers...he wished only one thing---that people would come up to him and ask him, "what happened?" or even "whats wrong"...especially children who he knows should understand that being misaligned with whats normal is perfectly, well, NORMAL!

    Point being I would rather people ask me these questions, as long as they are sincere and not as a belittlement, than not. I will try to answer honestly even when the answer does not meet with other's approvals.

    It is clear to everyone here that my displays can be seen as very cool to some, or simply a frenzied sickness to others. I am perfectly fine with that. I enjoy the hunt, discovery and acquisition of these pieces. Would I wear this shoe? You bet, as I own a pair of Eccos already. Will I buy the correct Levi's when we have the answer to which ones they are even though I own a few pairs already? You bet! This is as much about lifestyle as it is about collecting.
  • Donald GrantDonald Grant U.S.A.Posts: 2,251Quartermasters
    You still have not changed my mind. I call it like I see it. One thing is certain though, I never called you an idiot. I mean, how childish is that? The issue is that in a collecting forum we are all interested in the items in Bond's world. We may not all have the funds to buy every little thing, but I certainly would not knock another person for liking what they like, or having the duckets to buy those items.

    As far as who I am or what I do, I certainly don't have to justify my self to you or any one else on this forum. Want to know why? Because I am secure as a man in who I am. A boss once told me I was very comfortable in my own skin. As I said to you before laddy, give it time. You too can become comfortable in your own skin, but it takes time to grow and mature. In the mean time be cool.

    DG
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  • Remmert007Remmert007 Posts: 232MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    On the topic, I was in Bregenz too and saved the original article that appeared in the newspaper at the time: see below a quick Google translation of it (it was in German). Since he bought only 1 pair, I doubt that they used it in the movie. I thought at the time it was only for personal use.


    Quick translation of the complete newspaper article (sorry for the bad quality):

    "Bond buys domestic birds in the shoe"
    On Thursday, 1 May, got Mr Robert birds, owner of the shoe store "shoe birds, trends & tradition," in the Bregenz pedestrian zone, a call from Mrs. Kinz, the hotel "White Cross" in Bregenz.
    Robert birds, Sabine Nussbichler and dLouise Frogley and Justine Hawkins.
    Robert birds

    Kinz wife told him that the personal assistant to Daniel Craig, Ms Louise Frogley and the leader of the costumes, Mrs Justine Hawkins, both in their hotel, shoes urgent need for Daniel Craig. Mr. Craig was the first rotary-day problems with its leather soles of shoes and therefore required, nor for the same evening a pair of shoes with rubber soles. After the holiday, shops are closed, wanted his crew einfliegen shoes from London. Kinz woman from the hotel "White Cross" solved the problem by Mr Robert birds call and this immediately agreed that business short term, for the two ladies open.
    Together with his sister, Sabine Nussbichler they drove to the hotel "White Cross", then met the ladies and Frogely Hawkins and led them into the business "shoe birds, trends and tradition". The women chose different models from four pairs of shoes and they took to the view of Mr Craig.
    On Saturday returned Mrs Frogley are not required shoes and paid the shoe, for which Mr Craig had decided, a waterproof, classic men's shoes with rubber soles of the company ECCO in the 43rd Frogley woman thanked him once again to thank Mr birds for the concession and said that Mr Craig already had the shoe on Thursday for turning worn and he would be very happy.
    Conclusion by Mr Robert birds: "We feel very honored and look forward to the new James Bond movie with Daniel Craig in the shoes of" shoe birds, trends & tradition. "Incidentally, the" original - James Bond - Shoe "in all sizes to have ...."
    Source: Robert birds
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  • saint-antoinesaint-antoine CanadaPosts: 209MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    I do not like these shoes... they look like something out of the early 1990's... but the specific needs that made Craig get this shoes tells me that they were probably purchased to match black dress shoes in some sort of stunt scene in the movie... but being ECCO's they must be really confortable...
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,750Chief of Staff
    Well, first of all, sorry to have created such an upstir with this topic. I thought the shoe was a nice "insider" thing.

    Please don't be sorry, Justin Time - and I'm sure many people on this forum thank you for your tip-off. That's what we try and make this site - people helping each other and swapping ideas. So please lets stop the bickering, back-biting and outright rudeness - some discussions should be kept to the PM system.

    AS for the shoes - bloody ugly, don't like them. I have a budget to work too and I'd rather spend my money on another piece of Bond clothing/memorabilia that I do like - I have no problem with anybody that does like them and does want a pair, as I always say - it's each to their own :)
    YNWA 97
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