I actually enjoyed A View to a Kill

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  • Krassno GranitskiKrassno Granitski USAPosts: 896MI6 Agent
    dougie007 wrote:
    All I was trying to say is that the fact that he gave her a slap across the chops, was unexpected for a Roger Moore film and quite shocking for a Bond film in general. Anybody agree?
    It was only his second film and in his first he had no issue with abusing Rosie Carver, also it was hardly the first time Bond slapped anyone around much less a women.
    Dan Same wrote:
    I do.
    Imagine that.
  • Blackleiter54Blackleiter54 Posts: 4MI6 Agent
    I totally agre about Roger Moore - he never appeared to be dangerous enough to be Bond. But I disagree about AVTAK - it ABSOLUTELY was the worst Bond film in my opinion. In fact, it is the only James Bond movie that actually bored me. Roger Moore was old and tired, and it showed, Tanya Roberts was horrible, and the film lacked the excitement and creative action that I have associated with the films since I saw my first Bond movie in a theater (Goldfinger).
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,486MI6 Agent
    When Dan Same first joined I took him to task over his 'enjoyment' of Moore's mysgom... misogen.. sexism in TMWTGG. The young whippersnapper. Ah well.
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  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    edited August 2008
    Dan Same wrote:
    dougie007 wrote:
    All I was trying to say is that the fact that he gave her a slap across the chops, was unexpected for a Roger Moore film and quite shocking for a Bond film in general. Anybody agree?
    I do. :D I thought it was a very shocking moment, and one of the best scenes in TMWTGG. :v

    I knew it. Scratch a liberal and find a woman-hating psycho. From now on I shall call you Dan Sadist. :v :D
  • 84208420 Posts: 721MI6 Agent
    yeah a view to a kill was good fighting car chases guns gadgets exelent{:)
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited August 2008
    John Drake wrote:
    I knew it. Scratch a liberal and find a woman-hating psycho. From now on I shall call you Dan Sadist. :v :D
    I'll hold you to that. :v :))
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  • Scribe74Scribe74 San FranciscoPosts: 149MI6 Agent
    The only moment that really bothers me in AVTAK is in the pre-title sequence, when Bond is riding the snowmobile. Whenver they show a close-up of Moore, it's too painfully obvious that he's in front of a movie screen . . . the background is terrible.

    Other than that, I enjoy it . . . moreso than Octopussy.
  • Railer 505Railer 505 Albany, NYPosts: 61MI6 Agent
    Yeah and also what was the point in the pre-credit scene of sticking in the Beach Boys song California Girls? That definitely seemed out of place.
  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,709MI6 Agent
    Railer 505 wrote:
    Yeah and also what was the point in the pre-credit scene of sticking in the Beach Boys song California Girls? That definitely seemed out of place.

    The only conclusion I can come up with is that the Beach Boys would sing "Surfer Songs." Snowboarding is a type of surfing (at least in my eyes). Just my humble opinion.
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  • discovolantediscovolante los angeles ca usaPosts: 66MI6 Agent
    I just watched the AVTAK DVD and.....it wasn't a bad movie! Even though this was the first JB film I ever saw in a theater, I didn't really have fond memories of it. After watching it again, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was. Zorin was great, Mayday was great. The one BIG issue I have with this movie is the horrible use of stunt doubles. I wouldn't expect RM to be doing his own stunts at the age of 57, but the filmmakers didn't even try to hide the fact it wasn't him. You can clearly see the stunt peoples faces in several scenes. Other than that , AVTAK was pretty good.
  • RJJBRJJB United StatesPosts: 346MI6 Agent
    Mr Martini wrote:
    Railer 505 wrote:
    Yeah and also what was the point in the pre-credit scene of sticking in the Beach Boys song California Girls? That definitely seemed out of place.

    The only conclusion I can come up with is that the Beach Boys would sing "Surfer Songs." Snowboarding is a type of surfing (at least in my eyes). Just my humble opinion.

    The connection is obvious. I think the question was more along the line of "What were they thinking, to do soemthing so stupid in a James Bond movie?"
  • Mikhail TouraegMikhail Touraeg Posts: 6MI6 Agent
    Although AVTAK wasn't exactly my favourite Bond film, it is definately not the worst. Although it may feature an implausibly aged Bond and some of the worst hair in film history, AVTAK has a well-played villain, several good action sequences and other good points which elevate it above the likes of DAD and LALD. I still can't forget the PTS song though...
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,486MI6 Agent
    Welcome to the site, Mikhail! What's wrong with LALD though?
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  • zaphodzaphod Posts: 1,183MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    Well, just because it's one of the weakest Bond films doesn't make it a bad film, and there's lots to enjoy in any Bond.

    Gotta agree. Though it's my least favourite Bond film (by far), the simple fact is that Bond films really follow no rules but their own, and there are a couple of classic moments. May Day's leap off the Eiffel Tower is one, and another is...

    ...er...

    Well, I'm sure there's another one somewhere ;% It's a Bond, and I give it a fond look every now and then, warts and all.

    Continuing proof the wide, expansive diversity of the BondiverseTM is the fact that, for every thread condemning this era of Bond---and this film in particular---there are always brand new threads popping up in its defence. There must be two dozen of these!

    Most of the ones that I have seen have a tendencey towards the apologetic ' AVTAK not as bad as people say' or 'has a few good moments in it' rather than outright praise for it in it's own right as a contribution to the series. It seems that in fanland this film is to some extent defined by the general hostility towards as is DAD. How many times do we get 'come on guys give it a break it's a Bond film after all ' type comments. I'm about to do it myself now and state that whilst AVTAK is among the very low points in the series, and a very poor film it's not as Bad as Moonraker ;)
  • Mister BiswasMister Biswas TokyoPosts: 78MI6 Agent
    Hello.
    I love this film and it ranks high on my list of favorites. However, even I admit the film has some wonderfully bad moments.

    It has been commented on a lot at this site, but the "Stacy, there's a blimp behind you! Get down!" scene is really something! I wish there was document footage of John Glen explaining the scene to Tanya Roberts during shooting
    JG: Now, in this next shot, Tanya, you are running towards Bond, and then you get captured.
    TR: How do I get captured?
    JG: Zorin drives a huge blimp and sneaks up behind you.
    TR: Ok.
    JG: Places people. Blimp on standby. And... Action! Now, Run! Tanya! Run!
  • InfernoInferno Posts: 45MI6 Agent
    AVTAK has always been one of my favorites. Just about everything in it is fantastic, except for the pre-title sequence which I truly hate.
  • PeppermillPeppermill DelftPosts: 2,860MI6 Agent
    I never really liked AVTAK, it has some good moments, (the Eiffel tower/Paris chase is great, the horserace is nice too and I like Walken as Zorin) it is a Bond movie after all, but to me it lacks a lot too. In my opinion Stacey Sutton is the worst Bondgirl (or Bondwoman as we are supposed to be calling them) ever. It marks the end of the Roger Moore era, I loved some of his films but not all. But the same goes for Connery. Only Lazenby has a 100% score :007)
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  • Mister BiswasMister Biswas TokyoPosts: 78MI6 Agent
    - John Barry's score for this is brilliant. Ranks high, perhaps amongst his 007 scores being beaten out only by OHMSS and Goldfinger and TLD. The slow instrumentalized version of the main theme is very romantic and actually lends to the scenes between Bond and Stacey a degree of warmth much needed. (I am thinking in particular to a great moment when Bond goes to Stacey's room and finds her already asleep. Roger Moore has a great moment when he puts a blanket over her and leaves. While not a typical 007 moment, it was a great Roger moment. And the music here was top notch).

    - Chris Walken and Grace Jones get to wear some killer sunglasses in this one. Zorin's tinted glasses--I WANT A PAIR!

    - The story is a very good and strong one. Bond's initial investigation of Zorin's horses seems to borrow very much from the Drax at Blades opening in the novel Moonraker (Bond investigates socialites who cheat, and in the process uncover something even more sinister). The story progresses to the revelation, and the whole plot to flood Silicon Valley is one of the better cartoon villain plots in the Bond films. It certainly is better than the plots of the film Moonraker and TSWLM.

    - Zorin as a character is well developed. Zorin is intelligent but extremely psychotic. He is not a physical wimp like Kamal Khan. He can hold his own (as long as he has an axe or a gun). And, he is fearless. He is not afraid to go out onto the Golden Gate Bridge. Heck, he even laughs before he falls to his death.

    - Mayday: "Wow. What a view."
    Zorin: "To a kill".
    I still to this day have no idea what this means, but I admire the filmmakers' attempts at trying to integrate such an uncooperative title into the dialogue. It is certainly better than TND or DAD (especially the latter, "So you live to die another day." cringe.) John Glen, Michael Wilson and Richard Maibaum get an A for effort here.
  • actonsteveactonsteve Posts: 299MI6 Agent
    - John Barry's score for this is brilliant. Ranks high, perhaps amongst his 007 scores being beaten out only by OHMSS and Goldfinger and TLD. The slow instrumentalized version of the main theme is very romantic and actually lends to the scenes between Bond and Stacey a degree of warmth much needed. (I am thinking in particular to a great moment when Bond goes to Stacey's room and finds her already asleep. Roger Moore has a great moment when he puts a blanket over her and leaves. While not a typical 007 moment, it was a great Roger moment. And the music here was top notch).

    .

    I have to say the music to AVTAK was absolutely delicious.

    I'm one of the ones who saw it back in 1985 at the cinema. We'd been flooded out and were staying with relatives when dad took us to see it to cheer us up. Sitting here watching the spectacle unfold was exhilerating.

    AVTAK's good points

    - excellent Barrys score
    - Rogs' performance is still enjoyable
    - Max Zorin
    - Mayday
    - the car chase in Paris
    - the Chantilly chateau
    - the flooding of the mines
    - the fight on the Golden Gate Bridge

    Its Bond pure and simple. I still get goosebumps when Rogs' stuntman hanging from a dirigible heading for the Golden Gate. When Barrys music starts up...

    I also find the continous blasting of this film due to Rogs' age rather ageist. After all no one objected to Harrison Ford coming back as Indiana Jones in his sixties?
  • Railer 505Railer 505 Albany, NYPosts: 61MI6 Agent
    Me, the creator of this very topic, does thing AVTAK is a good movie, but I do agree it was one of the weaker bonds. Why EON decided to keep Roger Moore as Bond at the age of 57 seemed questionable.

    Additionally, there are noticable corners the developers cut. On the final seen on the Golden Gate Bridge, you can notice that the cars travelling the bridge (which were probably computer-generated) are moving much faster than they really would. There's also a continuity error where you see a ship passing under, but right after you see the same ship at a slightly earlier moment.

    I should also say that the scene as the mine floods and the workers trying to escape with Max Zorin spamming UZI rounds at them is rather entertaining, but lacks the quality of a true bond villain (though maybe that was his nature as a psychopath).

    I bet some bond fans back when they saw this film in theatres thought to themselves by this point in the movie, anxious for it to be over that it was time for EON to make changes - which of course they did in Dalton's debut in The Living Daylights - one of the stronger bond films indeed.
  • Railer 505Railer 505 Albany, NYPosts: 61MI6 Agent
    Mr Martini wrote:
    Railer 505 wrote:

    I did notice additionally that in the climax on the Golden Gate Bridge when you look at the cars travelling across the bridge that they are travelling unrealistically fast, thus revealing how it was done either by computers or a miniature model.

    I'm guessing you've never been to San Francisco? ;)

    I have been to SF, I have travelled across the Golden Gate, but it doesn't take doing so to know that from 220 meters up the cars down below aren't going to be moving across your view that fast.
  • JDubyaJDubya Florida USAPosts: 9MI6 Agent
    I absolutely NEVER undertood ANYONES avarice towards AVTAK!!!

    I must admit being still 30 years old, it was my first but I can tell you honetly that I think that the calm interactions be they undercover or official comminique amongst siding factions, this film has the requisite number of "chase scenes" with an overwhelming number of scenes where there are intelligence, counter-intelligence or for that matter EEEEVIL discussions...hehehe....and no Bond fan can deny that while its fun to see a fight our minds are drawn to the WHY behid all the other crap as Elliott Carver correctly pointed out for external attraction

    Please, tell me why any of you truly disliked AVATAK! There is no intellectual reason I can see anyone has pointed out and Roger Moore only hated it cause he found out he was older than Stacey Sutton's mother (w/e her real name was)

    TELL ME! - Sorry friends this one was my fave *and* as Mark Twain said only fiction has to be credible - this fiction was the most credible of the bond series.

    Love you all dearly,
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,486MI6 Agent
    JDubya wrote:
    I absolutely NEVER undertood ANYONES avarice towards AVTAK!!!

    Eh? Avarice means greed! Antipathy is the word you might be looking for!

    I like the film too, but it lacks those gritty, espionage moments that fans like. To me it's a lighthearted romp and I reckon Rog looks okay in too. Falls apart with the fire engine chase in retrospect; then again this was the era of Temple of Doom, before Die Hard shook things up.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • jorgemjorgem DTWPosts: 98MI6 Agent
    edited February 2009
    AVTAK is the most dangerous Roger Moore Bond adventure.

    He grabbed on to the rope for about 10 minutes while Zorin is trying to lose him. Bond almost fell off the Golden Gate bridge while he's trying to make Zorin fall into the water and letting the Zeppelin explode.

    More! More power!

    How about you?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I really liked it,it's almost a goldfinger clone but very enjoyable. the only annoying thing for me was Tanya Roberts just calling out "James" for about what seemed like the last 20 mins of the movie, though thats really a script fault i suppose.
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  • WadsyWadsy Auckland, New ZealandPosts: 412MI6 Agent
    Consider me as another defender, I loved the film and rank it 7th on my complete Bond rankings.
    There are a lot of reasons to back this statement - It is a flawed film with weaknesses, but on the other flip of the coin it has a brilliant plot, even IMO better than Goldfinger's, and one of the best if not the best climax of the entire series.

    A View To A Kill was John Glen's third directorial performance, Roger Moore's seventh and final Bond, Lois Maxwell's fourteenth and final appearance as Moneypenny, General Gogol's fifth appearance as head of the KGB, Robert Brown's second performance as 'M' and the Minister Of Defense's fifth performance. You also have Desmond who appeared for his 12th time.

    I love all of John Glen's Bond films, they all seem like real Ian Fleming spy thrillers and not over-the-top adventures. Even Octopussy, which I consider the weakest link of the 80's decade was enjoyable.

    I'll start by listing the things I loved about this film...


    PRO's

    - John Barry's score is my second favourite of his only behind Living Daylights
    - The Duran Duran Theme "From A View To A Kill"
    - The plot for this movie is amazing. Microchips, Max Zorin - ruthless industrial engineer
    - Gogol's schemes against ex KGB agent Zorin
    - The Eiffel Tower scene - James chasing May Day up the Eiffel Tower, May Day's Jump
    - The Taxi Chase (Paris, France) - Yes, flawed by obvious stunt doubles but funny
    - Tanya Roberts as Stacey Sutton
    - The first half of the film focusses on an interesting sub plot - Zorin's cheating at horse racing
    - Sir Godfrey Tibbet - Another Bond ally which director John Glen kills off mid way through
    - Scene with Bond and Tibbet in the Warehouse looking for evidence of Zorin's schemes
    - The horse racing scene is intense, with Bond being outrun initially by a cheating Max Zorin
    - Bond sucking air out of a tire underwater
    - Zorin and May Day are among the MOST menacing villains of the entire series
    - Zorin's speech about his plan aboard the blimp, and my favourite, everyone's favorite dummy which falls from the blimp :))
    - Everything about San Francisco, CA. I love San Fran to death, one of my best cities in the world.
    - Bond discussing Zorin and henchmen with Chuck Lee of the CIA
    - The raid on the oil rig
    - Bond following Stacey home / sneaking into the house
    - The fight scene between Bond and those goons inside her house
    - Bond and Stacey have wine / nice moment. It is more of a father/daughter moment but what really got me is that AVTAK REALLY feels like a sad emotional farewell to Roger Moore. This scene is one of those moments
    - Bond and Stacey trapped in an elevator and getting out of City Hall - then Bond climbing down the ladder (again, felt like a sad emotional farewell to Roger Moore)
    - The awesome fire truck chase - sorry haters, but I loved it. The part where the cops get stuck on the bridge is hilarious
    - The mine scenes / the explosion and Zorin gunning down hundreds of his workers. Best villain of the series. Then Zorin realized he failed to kill Bond twice
    - May Day and Bond working together, May Day's death
    - The blimp approaching the golden gate bridge - AMAZING. Feels like Roger Moore's best climax and final battle on the bridge.
    - The fight scene between Zorin and Bond on the bridge
    - At this point, the series was beginning to take a darker tone as compared to the 70's and Octopussy. There were brutal deaths in AVTAK, such as the guy being thrown into the propeller and Zorin gunning down hundreds of workers in the San Andreas fault. Of course, this dark tone would continue more intensively into the next two James Bond films.

    Con's:

    - Roger Moore's age - yep we can all agree that HAD Timothy Dalton played Bond here, this might have been the best of the series. However, Moore's age did not affect me as much in the second half of the film.
    - Beach Boys Song - Not as annoying or disturbing as many make it out to be, but I am putting it on this list as I felt it was just unnecessary
    - Stunt Doubles all over the place/ Moore not being able to fight heavies anymore
    - Not enough screen time for the Jenny Flex character
    - Chuck Lee of the CIA needed more screen time
    - Roger Moore and Grace Jones in bed together
    - Roger Moore and Tanya Roberts in the shower together

    That's about it really, but my main gripe is Roger Moore himself. He is too old to play Bond but other than that, I love AVTAK and consider it one of the best entries of the series. The villain could very well be the best of the entire series, the locations are great and the action sequences are pretty good as well. It's never boring, I found it highly entertaining.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Well, I broke down & purchased a copy of this movie which I haven't seen in a few decades, and maybe it was because I wasn't expecting much that my expectations were totally exceeded- I had a great time watching it! The Beach Boys cover was short in duration, and really, I had no other real problems with this film! Roger actually looked quite good through most of it, Walken was great, Patrick & Roger had excellent chemistry together, Barry did a fine score, and the story was very good. I had no problems with Stacey, other that that she was a bit bland at times.
    Overall, I'd have to say I was remiss to have not seen it in so long, but better late than never. -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    I can't help myself, I always join in on the harmonies of Californian Girls. :D
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    I can't help myself, I always join in on the harmonies of Californian Girls. :D
    :o :s

    Well, at least it wasn't a Tarzan yell. :))
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,093Chief of Staff
    "California Girls", one of Brian Wilson's greatest works. No shame in singing along!

    (Absolutely the only criticism possible of this magnificent song is that it just doesn't work with one voice/guitar- no surprise, really, since Wilson composed it with The Beach Boys in mind!)
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