So is it 100% certain that the TFs are the ones Craig wears? Or do we still not really know for sure - only that both OPs and TFs were at the shoot? ?:)
They are definately Tom Fords, the temple bar and hinges on the arm are very quite different. Well, different enough to notice now.
So is it 100% certain that the TFs are the ones Craig wears? Or do we still not really know for sure - only that both OPs and TFs were at the shoot? ?:)
They are definately Tom Fords, the temple bar and hinges on the arm are very quite different. Well, different enough to notice now.
Do you have any views on the apparent - and I say only "apparent" - lens diffence in colour from those pictures that have been seen and the blue colour offered by the ebay seller and Sunglasses sho?
1. The cheap plastic lenses I was referring to in my previous post were the lenses specific to those in the Tom Ford copies - not all plastic lenses.
2. I seriously object to the assertions that I've deliberately misled anyone. Bondtoys and Asp9mm are purposely stirring things up - I have only ever posted here and on my own website information that I thought was 100% true. How was I supposed to know that the commercial aspects of the James Bond franchise was going to change the reality of these sunglasses? Someone'll be telling me next that some of the action scenes performed by Daniel Craig are, in fact, merely well-staged stunts. Or that James Bond doesn't even exist - he's merely an actor.
3. Consider this: do you think that James Bond (the fictional character) or Daniel Craig (the real actor) would wear a facsimile pair of sunglasses. Anyone seen the Tom Ford logo on any promo videos or stills?
4. Anyone who feels strongly enough about their 'mis-sold' sunglasses may return them to me for a refund, as long as they're in perfect condition.
2. I seriously object to the assertions that I've deliberately misled anyone. Bondtoys and Asp9mm are purposely stirring things up - I have only ever posted here and on my own website information that I thought was 100% true. How was I supposed to know that the commercial aspects of the James Bond franchise was going to change the reality of these sunglasses? Someone'll be telling me next that some of the action scenes performed by Daniel Craig are, in fact, merely well-staged stunts. Or that James Bond doesn't even exist - he's merely an actor.
A.S. it is not so much the matter, what you said about things, that would happen in the future.
The problem is more, what you have replied, when you exactly knew, that the unique limited run would not be true and how you did this.
Me and Asp9mm stirring up things?
I can provide full email correspondence chronologically with you here on the board, if you want.
But be told, that this will be very much more embarassing for you, than it would be for me. May I recall only the hassle I have faced as no money was on your PayPal account for weeks?
I admit, that I have had some order changes in the long time and that I have not been the easiest of your clients because I wanted to know for sure when I am forking out GBP 765,-- for something.
3. Consider this: do you think that James Bond (the fictional character) or Daniel Craig (the real actor) would wear a facsimile pair of sunglasses. Anyone seen the Tom Ford logo on any promo videos or stills?
I think, that you still don't understand the motivation, why people here on the board buy things.
You are simply doing damage control here which is your good right.
Asp9mm gave an excellent explanation about this:
There may be people, who are trying to live a JB lifestyle, which is mostly influenced by Ian Fleming. That would mean discrete, high-class products, which don't necessary have to be seen in the movies. For these people, the O.P. shades may be an excellent choice, although, I'd modify them with Hoya lenses
I think, the majority here enjoys products in their collection that can be seen exactly like this in the movie and they can tell their friends: "Look, this mobile phone can be seen exactly like this in the movie".
They would not enjoy saying something like: "You have seen this phone in the movie? I have here a smiliar looking one from another maker, which is not exactly the same, but it has much better features and James Bond would very much better like this"
Another level would be to pull out the real used movie prop, but that's another story....
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,533MI6 Agent
I've been reading these threads for a while now with a growing sense of amusement and - more recently - bemusement, over the theories and misinformation that have been suggested regarding the Oliver Peoples Airmans. I feel that the time has come to shed some light on the matter.
The facts are simple: the Airman (a previously discontinued frame) was chosen in a friend of mine's optician (in London's Soho) by Daniel Craig's stylist. Having sold a good number of Persol 2720 and 2244s as a result of Casino Royale, I figured it a shame that they'd gone and chosen a discontinued frame. I waited until I had confirmation that they were being worn in the film and called Oliver Peoples, with whom I have a very good relationship, and asked them to re-introduce the Airman.
Initially they declined, being a relatively small (non mass-production) company, but after telling them how many Persols were sold worldwide following the previous Bond film, they eventually decided to order an initial 300 pairs, of which 150 had polarised lenses, the other 150 photochromic. Being the entrepreneurial type, I pre-ordered all of their polarised stock, and 20 photochromic. We now have these in stock, of which over 100 have been sold.
It would appear that around June-time, Oliver Peoples realised that they were seriously underestimating the potential demand and decided to have more produced which, as they take four months to make, will not be available until October. I think it pertinent to point out that Oliver Peoples are completely at liberty to do what they want with the Airmans - it's their frame, and if they decide to capitalise on the likely demand, well, good for them. And the Airmans that have been re-made are not in any way branded for the film - they're exactly as they originally were, although I must admit to a bit of frustration over the difference in colour of the end tips.
As far as the latest conspiracy theory goes, Oliver Peoples making glasses for Tom Ford is absurd. That is completely and utterly in the realms of impossibility. UNLESS... there's another pair of sunglasses that are being worn in the film that no one knows about as yet. (And I'm really, really not suggesting that there is another pair!)
I hope that clarifies matters and may the sun shine brightly on those forum members who have received their Airmans.
Yes, they are 100% Oliver Peoples. I don't understand where this Tom Ford rumour has come from and on what it is based. Until the film comes out and every frame is scrutinised, all we can go on are the pictures that have been pre-released. And images show that they are clearly the OP Airman. Which is hardly surprising, given that that's what they are!
I suppose that Tom Ford (or any other sunglasses 'designer') may jump on the bandwagon and produce an unabashed copy, but this would surprise me as most of these sunglasses manufacturers wait a good few seasons before copying Oliver Peoples.
I think the main fault here is with OP. And what all this boils down to is a good business decision by you that was unfortunately based upon information that was spreading like chinese whispers, and in the end turned out to be wrong.
The news that we can get refunds is commendable.
It was certainly not any intention of mine or Bondtoys to 'stir things up', just get to the truth of this fiasco which we could see coming based upon the limited run suddenly becoming unlimited without any forewarning, and the lack of information forthcoming on your behalf. Also the way in which Bondtoys was treated and spoken to by your staff is outrageous. I really do not believe that you deliberately set out to mislead anyone, but unfortunately as you became the spokesman for OP on the QOS glasses, mislead people you did and continued to do after the facts were out. My ill feeling is not as much with you concerning the Tom Ford debacle, but with the direction Tom Ford has taken, and the lack of any responsibility Oliver Peoples are taking when confirming to you that they had indeed supplied The Airmans to Eon, when in fact one of their retailers may have just supplied one pair.
Quite a bizaare incident in which everyone seems to lose out except Tom Ford.
So is everybody now going to return their OPs and then purchase a pair of the TFs. I am undecided, but must thank AS for giving a refund if we desire. I must admit though the lense colour on the TFs does not look quite right and I havnt seen the TF logo on any of the QOS pictures.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,533MI6 Agent
edited October 2008
If you swap the OP's for the TF's you may regret it. It seems that OP's are the better quality and if you are going to wear them and not stick them in a collection, never to be worn, keep the Airmans. And then buy the TF's and stick them in the drawer
So is everybody now going to return their OPs and then purchase a pair of the TFs. I am undecided, but must thank AS for giving a refund if we desire. I must admit though the lense colour on the TFs does not look quite right and I havnt seen the TF logo on any of the QOS pictures.
I like the OPs anyway. I also like the idea that I own an original pair of shades Ford simply copied, rather than had the courage to design his own. Further, I think all involved in these threads would agree the OPs are better quality. In that respect, I guess I am like the Ian Fleming fan Bondtoys describes in his last post. -{
Whether I buy the Ford's as well does indeed depend on lens colour issue being resolved. And that there aren't any other claringly obvious dicrepancies from the screen ones, such as lens logo, etc.
NightshooterIn bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
I wasn't going to buy the OPs in the first place, but I may now just buy the TFs if the color issue is resolved. They are cheaper and I'm sure they are pretty nice, too. Anyone know if they are in TF's NYC store? Would love to try on a pair.
I have bought both the OPs and the TFs.In my opinion the TFs are a total rip off they feel cheap and are just copies of the OPs bad copies at that.Everything about them screams rubbish.
There are however a few things that differ from the OPs..The hinges are slightly different the ear stems are thicker and the bridge across the nose is slightly different.I will be keeping my TFs for my collection and wearing the OPs.That being said in my opinion from what I have seen the glasses used in QoS are the Tom Fords.And i think TF ripped of the design of the OPs to make some more cash out of us .This is Tom Ford painting a Skoda silver and calling it an aston martin.
I have bought both the OPs and the TFs.In my opinion the TFs are a total rip off they feel cheap and are just copies of the OPs bad copies at that.Everything about them screams rubbish.
There are however a few things that differ from the OPs..The hinges are slightly different the ear stems are thicker and the bridge across the nose is slightly different.I will be keeping my TFs for my collection and wearing the OPs.That being said in my opinion from what I have seen the glasses used in QoS are the Tom Fords.And i think TF ripped of the design of the OPs to make some more cash out of us .This is Tom Ford painting a Skoda silver and calling it an aston martin.
Clearly though you're happy with the colour of the lenses? The Sunglasses Shop and PR photos seemed to be a good lighter shade blue than those Craig seems to be wearing.
The color seems pretty spot on to me but as i said ive only seen the same screen shots as most of you. The lense is darker than on the product picture at the sunglasses hut website.But as I said in my opinion [and thats probably not worth much] Tom Fords are an inferior product.But used in QoS.And the tom fords come with a rather nice 007 branded box,cloth, and case.
No worries, as soon as you can is good, but sooner is better ). As you've got both, then 3 or 4 side by side pics would be wonderful - maybe front, rear and left and right side on. Plus, as Bondtoys said, the box and cloth.
I'm in possession of a pair of the Tom Ford sunglasses and am about to take photos of them which I'll post later today. In the meantime, can someone please tell me which images of Daniel Craig are being cited for comparison purposes.
I'm biased(sixteen year OP fan) but I like the look of the OPs better. I like the earsocks better as they're functional and the lenses have already been gone over.
The continuous top bar of the TF glasses does look nice(I wasn't kidding earlier about that), but I'm not a fan of the matte silver.
Many thanks AS but what is your opinion about the quality of the TF sunglasses. Without being biased how do they compare with the OPs and will you be selling them? Also now you have both pairs do you think that the TF is the pair being worn in the QOS?
Here is my two cents into this freaky situation. I actually have a pair of Tom Ford sunglasses. Not the QoS/Airman style, but a different pair. I also have OPs. I like everything about OP for wearing. The TFs hurt my ears and they slide down my face. They just have a really basic "I could buy these in a drug store feel about them. They are in no way worth the price.
I personally would not trade OPs for TFs even is Tom Gave them to me personally. Having said that, I know some of us have to be accurate.
"Tom also provided the sunglasses – and Daniel isn’t easy to fit with shades. He’s had his nose broken so many times – they sit at the end of his nose or too high so he looks like an insect."{/quote]
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Very prudent editing of the original content of this post, Dave.
They are definately Tom Fords, the temple bar and hinges on the arm are very quite different. Well, different enough to notice now.
Do you have any views on the apparent - and I say only "apparent" - lens diffence in colour from those pictures that have been seen and the blue colour offered by the ebay seller and Sunglasses sho?
1. The cheap plastic lenses I was referring to in my previous post were the lenses specific to those in the Tom Ford copies - not all plastic lenses.
2. I seriously object to the assertions that I've deliberately misled anyone. Bondtoys and Asp9mm are purposely stirring things up - I have only ever posted here and on my own website information that I thought was 100% true. How was I supposed to know that the commercial aspects of the James Bond franchise was going to change the reality of these sunglasses? Someone'll be telling me next that some of the action scenes performed by Daniel Craig are, in fact, merely well-staged stunts. Or that James Bond doesn't even exist - he's merely an actor.
3. Consider this: do you think that James Bond (the fictional character) or Daniel Craig (the real actor) would wear a facsimile pair of sunglasses. Anyone seen the Tom Ford logo on any promo videos or stills?
4. Anyone who feels strongly enough about their 'mis-sold' sunglasses may return them to me for a refund, as long as they're in perfect condition.
A.S. it is not so much the matter, what you said about things, that would happen in the future.
The problem is more, what you have replied, when you exactly knew, that the unique limited run would not be true and how you did this.
Me and Asp9mm stirring up things?
I can provide full email correspondence chronologically with you here on the board, if you want.
But be told, that this will be very much more embarassing for you, than it would be for me. May I recall only the hassle I have faced as no money was on your PayPal account for weeks?
I admit, that I have had some order changes in the long time and that I have not been the easiest of your clients because I wanted to know for sure when I am forking out GBP 765,-- for something.
I think, that you still don't understand the motivation, why people here on the board buy things.
You are simply doing damage control here which is your good right.
Asp9mm gave an excellent explanation about this:
There may be people, who are trying to live a JB lifestyle, which is mostly influenced by Ian Fleming. That would mean discrete, high-class products, which don't necessary have to be seen in the movies. For these people, the O.P. shades may be an excellent choice, although, I'd modify them with Hoya lenses
I think, the majority here enjoys products in their collection that can be seen exactly like this in the movie and they can tell their friends: "Look, this mobile phone can be seen exactly like this in the movie".
They would not enjoy saying something like: "You have seen this phone in the movie? I have here a smiliar looking one from another maker, which is not exactly the same, but it has much better features and James Bond would very much better like this"
Another level would be to pull out the real used movie prop, but that's another story....
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I think the main fault here is with OP. And what all this boils down to is a good business decision by you that was unfortunately based upon information that was spreading like chinese whispers, and in the end turned out to be wrong.
The news that we can get refunds is commendable.
It was certainly not any intention of mine or Bondtoys to 'stir things up', just get to the truth of this fiasco which we could see coming based upon the limited run suddenly becoming unlimited without any forewarning, and the lack of information forthcoming on your behalf. Also the way in which Bondtoys was treated and spoken to by your staff is outrageous. I really do not believe that you deliberately set out to mislead anyone, but unfortunately as you became the spokesman for OP on the QOS glasses, mislead people you did and continued to do after the facts were out. My ill feeling is not as much with you concerning the Tom Ford debacle, but with the direction Tom Ford has taken, and the lack of any responsibility Oliver Peoples are taking when confirming to you that they had indeed supplied The Airmans to Eon, when in fact one of their retailers may have just supplied one pair.
Quite a bizaare incident in which everyone seems to lose out except Tom Ford.
I like the OPs anyway. I also like the idea that I own an original pair of shades Ford simply copied, rather than had the courage to design his own. Further, I think all involved in these threads would agree the OPs are better quality. In that respect, I guess I am like the Ian Fleming fan Bondtoys describes in his last post. -{
Whether I buy the Ford's as well does indeed depend on lens colour issue being resolved. And that there aren't any other claringly obvious dicrepancies from the screen ones, such as lens logo, etc.
YET!
There are however a few things that differ from the OPs..The hinges are slightly different the ear stems are thicker and the bridge across the nose is slightly different.I will be keeping my TFs for my collection and wearing the OPs.That being said in my opinion from what I have seen the glasses used in QoS are the Tom Fords.And i think TF ripped of the design of the OPs to make some more cash out of us .This is Tom Ford painting a Skoda silver and calling it an aston martin.
Clearly though you're happy with the colour of the lenses? The Sunglasses Shop and PR photos seemed to be a good lighter shade blue than those Craig seems to be wearing.
Let us know.
Duncan
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
No worries, as soon as you can is good, but sooner is better
Cheers B-)
Duncan
I'm in possession of a pair of the Tom Ford sunglasses and am about to take photos of them which I'll post later today. In the meantime, can someone please tell me which images of Daniel Craig are being cited for comparison purposes.
Many thanks
Adam
[img][/img]http://www.adamsimmonds.co.uk/TF-OP photos/comparison.jpg
and, showing the rather natty logo:
[img][/img]http://www.adamsimmonds.co.uk/TF-OP photos/TFlogo.jpg
and a model wearing the Airmans (obviously pretty good looking)
[img][/img]http://www.adamsimmonds.co.uk/TF-OP photos/AS_OP.jpg
and, the same model looking rather worse for wear in the knock-off Tom Ford blatant copies:
[img][/img]http://www.adamsimmonds.co.uk/TF-OP photos/AS_TF.jpg
is my impression correct, that the TF sunglasses are matt?
And, would it please be possible to see the TF packaging as well, thanks
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Thanks for the pics!
Nuts!!! Actually, I do too
Me to!
The continuous top bar of the TF glasses does look nice(I wasn't kidding earlier about that), but I'm not a fan of the matte silver.
I'll have my usual please.
I personally would not trade OPs for TFs even is Tom Gave them to me personally. Having said that, I know some of us have to be accurate.
Love the Frogley quote: