I think M5 is saying that his comment on looks isn't some kind of snide body fascism but rather on Jack White's image which imo's (in Moonie's opinion ) doesn't suit Bond.
I think M5 is saying that his comment on looks isn't some kind of snide body fascism but rather on Jack White's image which imo's (in Moonie's opinion ) doesn't suit Bond.
Thank you NP, exactly right.
Just like it doesn't matter about Keyes looks or appearance or image or whatever, as it also does nothing to boost or limit the film's potential; I'm sure the remarks of her "looking stunning as ever" were included in the whole 'commenting on how people look' thing.
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The video's not really anything special---I'd have preferred more intercutting of QoS stuff, rather than the rather bland 'performance' of the tune. Still like the song...but the video just seems a bit 'tossed off.'
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Wow i just saw the video which is on youtube at the moment. And it was a ****ing satchel. I cant believe Jack White really went out of his way to really **** it up. I find Alicia Keys to be a good fit to the "bond singer type"... but Jake White...WTF? I gave it a chance when I first heard the song and i admit it began to grow on me just a little, but after that video i have lost all hope for the song.
Yes,I was definitely being rhetorical,but thanks very much for the update on Sir John Barry.Hmm...So David Arnold quit rather than come up with a song of this questionable quality for Quantum of Solace?Good for him.:)
Nevertheless,considering the usually high standard of the James Bond themes of the past 20-odd years,by comparison this...this thing...is noise,not music.To my taste,shouting doesn't equal singing,and all the attitude in the world can't replace musicianship.
What a disappointment.:(
No, not Arnold- one of the main reasons John Barry didn't work on the latter Bonds was the issue of who wrote the title song. JB naturally wanted to come up with his own melody (he'd had plenty of practice) which he could then use during the score. The producers, however, wanted to pick a title tune from a batch (one of which would have been Barry's) sung by currently hot singers/bands of financially appropriate record label affiliations. Barry wasn't prepared to work under those conditions and was replaced by Arnold, who was. Hence the reason Arnold's Bond movies alternate between songs he did write (TWINE, CR) and those he didn't (DAD, QOS).
Completely agree with you re the vocals on this... thing. I like the music, though.
The video's not really anything special---I'd have preferred more intercutting of QoS stuff, rather than the rather bland 'performance' of the tune. Still like the song...but the video just seems a bit 'tossed off.'
Totally agree .. especially about it being 'tossed off' ...
Like the song, apart from the strange bit in the middle, but the video was rubbish.
The problem with the songs of late is that they have been rather forgettable. The last memorable song IMO was Goldeneye.
I heard From Russia With Love on the radio this morning and it still sounded so good.No one will be singing this in 30yrs time I'm afraid.
Wow i just saw the video which is on youtube at the moment. And it was a ****ing satchel. I cant believe Jack White really went out of his way to really **** it up. I find Alicia Keys to be a good fit to the "bond singer type"... but Jake White...WTF?
Welcome to the forum Tibbet! However, it's hard to imagine Patrick Macnee from A View To A Kill saying these words! )
"I must say Bond, that Max Zorin seems a bit of a ****, and his accomplice May Day a right bitch, ****ing hell, and that Nazi dad, WTF?"
The Bond song is iconic like the rest; nice cars, nice women, champagne, nice suits, bad villains (I really don´t know if villains can be good, but they are bad right) and so on.
I must say, it was a kinf of an interesting song. Not ordinary Bond song, but it was special. If that is a plus or a minus can we always discuss.
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I heard From Russia With Love on the radio this morning and it still sounded so good.No one will be singing this in 30yrs time I'm afraid.
Completely agree.In all fairness to the "Another Way to Die" song,it might be more appealing as an instrumental.
But yes,the glory days of the James Bond title songs--with their iconic melodies and memorable lyrics--seem to be over*.And if this truly is the case,then that's most unfortunate--in my opinion.
*As I write this I'm listening to Shirley Bassey belting out Goldfinger, and I suspect we won't hearing anything equal to that or the other equally powerful 007 classic title tracks again.;)
*As I write this I'm listening to Shirley Bassey belting out Goldfinger, and I suspect we won't hearing anything equal to that or the other equally powerful 007 classic title tracks again.;)
Quite right too, if only for the simple reason that it has already been done. Were there to be a return to that style it would be thought of as pastiche or worse.
Pred has a point, that's how I felt about the Brosnan songs, they were pastiche.
That said, I've only belatedly picked up on Massive Attack's haunting and powerful Unfinished Sympathy (is that the title?) that really goes back a few years now but sounds fresher than anything of late. I'm sure someone else mentioned them as a good Bond choice but being only familiar with that Teardrop song or whatever... anyway this would be an electric choice for QoS and v much in the tradition espoused by M5 I believe.
Goldfinger and Live and Let Die are very different, but both are memorable. I have a hard time these days distinguishing the songs. You can still have a relevant sound with a memorable song that captures the imagination.
'Ghostbusters' is very '80s but people are still singing it - ok, not the best example but you get my drift.
I like AWTD but I dont think it will stand the test of time.
See I think instrumentally is where this song shines. It is totally a nod to the old days with obvious modern elements that you really can't avoid in 2008! Does no one else see or hear that? I think it's going to sound amazing in the theater.
I don't think that the theme songs for GE or TWINE were pastiche (especially GE; when I first heard it, I thought it was a rather new and fresh sound for Bond). Anyway, even if they were pastiche, I would take them over failed attempts to be "original" like AWTD any day.
There are many artists who could have written theme songs that sound modern and yet Bondian, without appearing as if they are still recycling Bond tunes of the past. Depeche Mode have written many songs that are edgy, but still contain a trace of romanticism, that I think would have worked perfectly well as Bond title tunes. A DM song would easily surpass Jack White's uninspired effort, IMO.
Over here being 'tossed off' is a euphemism for receiving certain sexual favours
which quite nicley sums up my feelings for the song )
I am pretty much certain, that Loeff meant it exactly that way
Quite so, Markus {[] I'm not entirely unaware of British euphemisms :v 'Twas meant exactly thus...
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See I think instrumentally is where this song shines. It is totally a nod to the old days with obvious modern elements that you really can't avoid in 2008! Does no one else see or hear that? I think it's going to sound amazing in the theater.
I'm with you Monique- as I said earlier, the music's good but the lyrics and vocals are bad enough to obscure that. It works instrumentally for me.
Goldfinger and Live and Let Die are very different, but both are memorable. I have a hard time these days distinguishing the songs. You can still have a relevant sound with a memorable song that captures the imagination.
'Ghostbusters' is very '80s but people are still singing it - ok, not the best example but you get my drift.
I like AWTD but I dont think it will stand the test of time.
Completely agree. I also think that GoldenEye was the last memorable Bond theme.
I find this talk of "moving on" highly patronising, as if those of us who don't care much for it don't know what we're talking about or are stuck in the past. Die Another Day with it's electronica style was 'moving forward', and though I happened to like it, many people didn't, and while I maintain I like it, it won't stand the test of time. It was cutting edge in it's attempted style and use of electronic sounds, but it most certainly won't/hasn't gone down as one of the Bond greats.
We're moving forward all the time, in every walk of life, but that doesn't mean that just because it's new and modern means it's got an ageless appeal.
Just saw the video, and although the I like the song, the video was dissapointing, mainly because of how Jack and Alicia looked, she looked really ugly in my opinion and Jack looked like he was recovering from a nasty bout of sickness and dihorrea (not sure how to spell it)
Also, I could just be generalising here but i've just been reading some of the comments on the 'Tradionalists Beware' thread and it got me thinking, Im sure some of the people who said they didnt see the Bond formula being tweaked as a problem, are also saying they hate the song for it not sounding like previous bond themes?
It sounds kind of hypocritical, and I'm including myself in that assumption, I don't like the idea of EoN screwing around with the formula yet I like the new song.
EDIT: I've only read a few posts in these threads so I'm not judging people or slating their opinions, I could well be wrong, like I said, I'm generalising, please don't hate me
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Hmm, Channel 4 showed the whole thing last night. I think I missed the first third of it. As a movie theme its ok, and its nice they got a duet going instead of a solo artist, or a group with their lead singer. However, the song itself hasn't really hit me. - I know nothing about music videos, so I'll leave that alone, except to say they were wise to avoid including snippits from the film itself.
It will probably be a good fit to the film. - Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies and Die Another Day were songs I would not say are my taste in themselves, but as Bond themes to those movies, they work very well indeed.
Maybe I have just been spoilt by the fact I love Chris Cornell's excellent 'You Know My Name.' - The first time I heard it I thought "Yes! A great Bond song, and one I can actually sing!" ;% Ahem.
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See I think instrumentally is where this song shines. It is totally a nod to the old days with obvious modern elements that you really can't avoid in 2008! Does no one else see or hear that? I think it's going to sound amazing in the theater.
Same page. {[] It's an awesome song and a great addition to the Bond-song canon, definitely top ten IMO.
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TBH, it doesn't matter in the long term. JW's looks or appearance or image or whatever does nothing to boost or limit the film's potential.
Just like it doesn't matter about Keyes looks or appearance or image or whatever, as it also does nothing to boost or limit the film's potential; I'm sure the remarks of her "looking stunning as ever" were included in the whole 'commenting on how people look' thing.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
No, not Arnold- one of the main reasons John Barry didn't work on the latter Bonds was the issue of who wrote the title song. JB naturally wanted to come up with his own melody (he'd had plenty of practice) which he could then use during the score. The producers, however, wanted to pick a title tune from a batch (one of which would have been Barry's) sung by currently hot singers/bands of financially appropriate record label affiliations. Barry wasn't prepared to work under those conditions and was replaced by Arnold, who was. Hence the reason Arnold's Bond movies alternate between songs he did write (TWINE, CR) and those he didn't (DAD, QOS).
Completely agree with you re the vocals on this... thing. I like the music, though.
I just spat my coffee over my desk!
Over here being 'tossed off' is a euphemism for receiving certain sexual favours
which quite nicley sums up my feelings for the song
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Gotta admit, this did make me laugh too
I am pretty much certain, that Loeff meant it exactly that way
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Totally agree .. especially about it being 'tossed off' ...
Like the song, apart from the strange bit in the middle, but the video was rubbish.
The problem with the songs of late is that they have been rather forgettable. The last memorable song IMO was Goldeneye.
I heard From Russia With Love on the radio this morning and it still sounded so good.No one will be singing this in 30yrs time I'm afraid.
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Roger Moore 1927-2017
I must say, it was a kinf of an interesting song. Not ordinary Bond song, but it was special. If that is a plus or a minus can we always discuss.
Completely agree.In all fairness to the "Another Way to Die" song,it might be more appealing as an instrumental.
But yes,the glory days of the James Bond title songs--with their iconic melodies and memorable lyrics--seem to be over*.And if this truly is the case,then that's most unfortunate--in my opinion.
*As I write this I'm listening to Shirley Bassey belting out Goldfinger, and I suspect we won't hearing anything equal to that or the other equally powerful 007 classic title tracks again.;)
Quite right too, if only for the simple reason that it has already been done. Were there to be a return to that style it would be thought of as pastiche or worse.
Always keep moving ...
That said, I've only belatedly picked up on Massive Attack's haunting and powerful Unfinished Sympathy (is that the title?) that really goes back a few years now but sounds fresher than anything of late. I'm sure someone else mentioned them as a good Bond choice but being only familiar with that Teardrop song or whatever... anyway this would be an electric choice for QoS and v much in the tradition espoused by M5 I believe.
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I'm all for 'moving', just in the right direction
Goldfinger and Live and Let Die are very different, but both are memorable. I have a hard time these days distinguishing the songs. You can still have a relevant sound with a memorable song that captures the imagination.
'Ghostbusters' is very '80s but people are still singing it - ok, not the best example but you get my drift.
I like AWTD but I dont think it will stand the test of time.
There are many artists who could have written theme songs that sound modern and yet Bondian, without appearing as if they are still recycling Bond tunes of the past. Depeche Mode have written many songs that are edgy, but still contain a trace of romanticism, that I think would have worked perfectly well as Bond title tunes. A DM song would easily surpass Jack White's uninspired effort, IMO.
Quite so, Markus {[] I'm not entirely unaware of British euphemisms :v 'Twas meant exactly thus...
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I'm with you Monique- as I said earlier, the music's good but the lyrics and vocals are bad enough to obscure that. It works instrumentally for me.
But to my opinion, the song itself - sans video - saw the light the same way
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them doggies movin' Rawhide!
I find this talk of "moving on" highly patronising, as if those of us who don't care much for it don't know what we're talking about or are stuck in the past. Die Another Day with it's electronica style was 'moving forward', and though I happened to like it, many people didn't, and while I maintain I like it, it won't stand the test of time. It was cutting edge in it's attempted style and use of electronic sounds, but it most certainly won't/hasn't gone down as one of the Bond greats.
We're moving forward all the time, in every walk of life, but that doesn't mean that just because it's new and modern means it's got an ageless appeal.
Also, I could just be generalising here but i've just been reading some of the comments on the 'Tradionalists Beware' thread and it got me thinking, Im sure some of the people who said they didnt see the Bond formula being tweaked as a problem, are also saying they hate the song for it not sounding like previous bond themes?
It sounds kind of hypocritical, and I'm including myself in that assumption, I don't like the idea of EoN screwing around with the formula yet I like the new song.
EDIT: I've only read a few posts in these threads so I'm not judging people or slating their opinions, I could well be wrong, like I said, I'm generalising, please don't hate me
It will probably be a good fit to the film. - Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies and Die Another Day were songs I would not say are my taste in themselves, but as Bond themes to those movies, they work very well indeed.
Maybe I have just been spoilt by the fact I love Chris Cornell's excellent 'You Know My Name.' - The first time I heard it I thought "Yes! A great Bond song, and one I can actually sing!" ;% Ahem.
Same page. {[] It's an awesome song and a great addition to the Bond-song canon, definitely top ten IMO.