"I thought Quantum of Sausage was just dreadful. When I was a little girl, I was once struck on the head by a bloody great bag of hammers. In hospital, there was a young resident nurse shrieking in my ear, asking me if I was alright. I believe I vomited. Quantum of Sausage was just like this, except without the nurse." - Hazel Lance-Pustule (Mrs.)
Lance-Pustule? )
Loeff, how do you come up with these things??
i loved qos like i love all the series even dad daf and moonraker all with different bonds i might add the point im trying to make is dont try to over analize it or nitpick every bond film has its mistakes and flaws just enjoy it for what it is afilm
I liked QoS. My wife is not crazy about it whatsoever and I agree that the plot had some holes...but the action sequences really did it for me, especially the hotel scene. I don't know but I just felt like it was good. The score was better than some others said it was (and I think it was often appropriate music), the storyline was good enough and the characters were splendid. I especially enjoyed the relationship between M and Bond in this one.
Finally, this is the second film in a series (possibly a trilogy) and I expect that the next film will finally tie this whole mess up.
"We have all the time in the world..."
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
...this is the second film in a series (possibly a trilogy) and I expect that the next film will finally tie this whole mess up.
Although I think Bond's personal issues are (mostly) resolved in this one, I think that if they do something semi-traditional (i.e., going after another tentacle of the Quantum organization)---and toss in an extra helping of womanizing and tie-straightening---they'll be on the right track.
I want to see Bond's consumption of one-night-stands as one of his coping mechanisms...along with martinis, nice clothing and good food...
Check out my Amazon author page!Mark Loeffelholz
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
...this is the second film in a series (possibly a trilogy) and I expect that the next film will finally tie this whole mess up.
Although I think Bond's personal issues are (mostly) resolved in this one, I think that if they do something semi-traditional (i.e., going after another tentacle of the Quantum organization)---and toss in an extra helping of womanizing and tie-straightening---they'll be on the right track.
I want to see Bond's consumption of one-night-stands as one of his coping mechanisms...along with martinis, nice clothing and good food...
Get Craig a Fiona-like baddie to frolic with in the next film!
...this is the second film in a series (possibly a trilogy) and I expect that the next film will finally tie this whole mess up.
Although I think Bond's personal issues are (mostly) resolved in this one, I think that if they do something semi-traditional (i.e., going after another tentacle of the Quantum organization)---and toss in an extra helping of womanizing and tie-straightening---they'll be on the right track.
I want to see Bond's consumption of one-night-stands as one of his coping mechanisms...along with martinis, nice clothing and good food...
Get Craig a Fiona-like baddie to frolic with in the next film!
) ) and pass the slippers? ) )
I would definitely like the re-introduction of the classic Bond elements in the next one. It would make the movie at least a little bit more palatable for me. Still not my ideal for obvious reasons, but in any case at least a movie I can enjoy for its Bond elements. And ideal for you blue right? You're happy as is, but don't tell me with some more hotties and nice clothes and Martinis you wouldn't be happier?
"Are we on coms?" (if you don't know where this is from... you've missed some really good stuff! )
Lots of nice clothes and Bond in sharp-looking suits IMO
And 6 Martini's (not to mention some wine, a beer, motor oil...)
But sure, more of all that would be welcome (if it makes sense in the story, tossing babes and bottles in randomly to meet a checklist... rather not, thanks). Craig hasn't yet met a Xenia Onatopp-type yet, that would be a great thing for the next film. :007)
Overall, I thought the move was pretty good but at times it just didn't seem like a Bond movie. I have been sayign this for a while on this web site that the Broccoli children are trying to hard to change Bond and make it more like Jason Bourne. Bond is Bond and they really need to bring back many of the elements that allowed Bond to succeed for 40+ years!! Sure there is always tweaking here and there but come one, if its now broke why fix it?
BTW...The Col. Sanders analogy that was made was PERFECT!!
*******S TO BOND
One of the worst ever made.....
wheres the baddies with metal teeth and white pussys ?
wheres the hords of large breasted bond girls ?
wheres the invisible cars n stealth boats and helicopters in briefcases ?
wheres the real bond music ?
Wheres the f***** plot to nuke the world ?
Very very disappointed and my boy fell asleep....that says it all.
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
Another fan :x
Check out my Amazon author page!Mark Loeffelholz
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
*******S TO BOND
One of the worst ever made.....
wheres the baddies with metal teeth and white pussys ?
wheres the hords of large breasted bond girls ?
wheres the invisible cars n stealth boats and helicopters in briefcases ?
wheres the real bond music ?
Wheres the f***** plot to nuke the world ?
Very very disappointed and my boy fell asleep....that says it all.
Bond films these days try to steer clear of naff crap like the garbage you mentioned above.
Go back to watching trash like Die Another Day. You truly deserve it.
*******S TO BOND
One of the worst ever made.....
wheres the baddies with metal teeth and white pussys ?
wheres the hords of large breasted bond girls ?
wheres the invisible cars n stealth boats and helicopters in briefcases ?
wheres the real bond music ?
Wheres the f***** plot to nuke the world ?
Very very disappointed and my boy fell asleep....that says it all.
Sometimes, I feel very ashamed to belong to the same party, which dislikes QoS.
sped98, is there anything we may help you with tho raise the quality of your postings slightly?
5 posts here end every single one very below sealevel....
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I chuckle when I hear people think that's what Bond films are about - we all have different tastes aye?
Some of us like character development, plotline, action sequences that are impressive but make sense etc. - others enjoy senseless non-stop entertainment with gratuitous amounts of sex and violence.
I saw it for a third time last night and kind of got bored near the end, for some reason it doesnt seem to hold up as well after repeated viewings as well as CR for me
I was a fierce critic of QoS after my first viewing and I stand by my criticisms. However, I've now seen it for a second time (after all) and I have to say I found it more enjoyable the second time around. Because I knew already what I disliked about it, I could concentrate more on the better points, including Craig's performance, and start to 'read' some coherency into the action sequences. I decided that several of the scenes worked better than I remembered. And the Quantum organisation could shape up into a credible SPECTRE for the modern age.
Having said that - I watched DAD again this week, too, and I started to enjoy even THAT one for what it was! The fact that DAD is possibly now the last Bond film of its kind invests it with a status that it lacked at the time of its release.
As for QoS, I like its more subtle nods to the past - Camille's repeated "Get in!" echoing Aki in YOLT, for example; and the return of a Cubby-style cameo of the 'coffin theme'. A less edifying allusion: the way in which Camille's climactic fight with the General is intercut with Craig's fight with Greene forms a parallel with the Miranda vs. Jinx / Brosnan vs. Graves inter-cut fighting at the climax of DAD.
Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 53 years.
I was a fierce critic of QoS after my first viewing and I stand by my criticisms. However, I've now seen it for a second time (after all) and I have to say I found it more enjoyable the second time around. Because I knew already what I disliked about it, I could concentrate more on the better points, including Craig's performance, and start to 'read' some coherency into the action sequences. I decided that several of the scenes worked better than I remembered. And the Quantum organisation could shape up into a credible SPECTRE for the modern age.
Having said that - I watched DAD again this week, too, and I started to enjoy even THAT one for what it was! The fact that DAD is possibly now the last Bond film of its kind invests it with a status that it lacked at the time of its release.
As for QoS, I like its more subtle nods to the past - Camille's repeated "Get in!" echoing Aki in YOLT, for example; and the return of a Cubby-style cameo of the 'coffin theme'. A less edifying allusion: the way in which Camille's climactic fight with the General is intercut with Craig's fight with Greene forms a parallel with the Miranda vs. Jinx / Brosnan vs. Graves inter-cut fighting at the climax of DAD.
Interesting comparisons between DAD and QoS, yes elements did remind me of DAD but QoS versions probably 300% better lol.
What you said about bringing back traditional elements is true, which annoys me as to why people say its missing Bond things. Rubbish, QoS is more Bondian that CR was.
Interesting comparisons between DAD and QoS, yes elements did remind me of DAD but QoS versions probably 300% better lol.
What you said about bringing back traditional elements is true, which annoys me as to why people say its missing Bond things. Rubbish, QoS is more Bondian that CR was.
Another point in common between QoS and DAD is the stale and wearisome dilemma afflicting Judi Dench's M - i.e., whether to trust Bond or whether to write him off as a liability ("Restrict Bond's movements!" Yawn!) Dame Judi's two-faced handling of Bond seems to be an element percolating directly from DAD through to QoS (via CR), suggesting, perhaps, that the rupture in continuity is not quite as extensive as one might at first think. Also, Michael Madsen could easily have reprised his DAD role ("Put your own house in order or we'll do it for you!") and been cast as Felix Leiter's sleazy CIA superior in QoS - his cynical character fits the same template.
Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 53 years.
Interesting comparisons between DAD and QoS, yes elements did remind me of DAD but QoS versions probably 300% better lol.
What you said about bringing back traditional elements is true, which annoys me as to why people say its missing Bond things. Rubbish, QoS is more Bondian that CR was.
Another point in common between QoS and DAD is the stale and wearisome dilemma afflicting Judi Dench's M - i.e., whether to trust Bond or whether to write him off as a liability ("Restrict Bond's movements!" Yawn!) Dame Judi's two-faced handling of Bond seems to be an element percolating directly from DAD through to QoS (via CR), suggesting, perhaps, that the rupture in continuity is not quite as extensive as one might at first think. Also, Michael Madsen could easily have reprised his DAD role ("Put your own house in order or we'll do it for you!") and been cast as Felix Leiter's sleazy CIA superior in QoS - his cynical character fits the same template.
I was always reluctant to profile M's silly behavior in my Incompetent M thread since it was uncertain if Dame Dench was in fact playing the same character. For those who see her as the same in, feel free to list your grievances.
Is the M of GE, TND, TWINE and DAD intended to be the same person as the M of CR / QoS? I think that she can't be, as the franchise has been 'rebooted' with the origins of a new Bond. But the ambiguous stance of Dench's M towards Bond remains the same, as do her other personal traits and attitudes: so to all intents and purposes, she is the same character.
Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 53 years.
True, the M of GE calls Bond a "dinosaur" (he's the same guy as the Bond in all the earlier movies), whereas the M of CR/QoS is testing out her Bond, a new Bond, as an agent only recently promoted to Double-0 status.
It's interesting, though, that when Craig's Bond refers to M in conversation with Camille aboard the plane which comes under attack, he refers to her as a "friend" who'd like to think of herself as his "mother" - and he smiles as he says this. Its a moment which implies that there's a lot of water under the bridge between these two characters - the kind of remark that Brosnan might have made - even though we know that technically Craig's Bond has only recently been licensed to kill.
As for Dame Judi, I admire her as an actress, but I think that M is limited as a character and that there is only so much that can be done with her. (TWINE stretched the character's potential about as far as it can go, giving Dame Judi her best material in the part.)
Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 53 years.
It's interesting, though, that when Craig's Bond refers to M in conversation with Camille aboard the plane which comes under attack, he refers to her as a "friend" who'd like to think of herself as his "mother" - and he smiles as he says this. Its a moment which implies that there's a lot of water under the bridge between these two characters - the kind of remark that Brosnan might have made - even though we know that technically Craig's Bond has only recently been licensed to kill.
Yea, very interesting. Even if M was a man I think the whole newness thing would imply the parent/guardian role because of him being an orphan. Which is why I am happy that things like this are mentioned throughout both of Craig's Bond's, instead of the past realised by the writers and inserted in TSWLM and FYEO, although well done in GE. This new direction makes the character far more complex, as he damn well should be. X-(
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Lance-Pustule?
Loeff, how do you come up with these things??
They did ask, and he refused. (thankfully, for me
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Finally, this is the second film in a series (possibly a trilogy) and I expect that the next film will finally tie this whole mess up.
Although I think Bond's personal issues are (mostly) resolved in this one, I think that if they do something semi-traditional (i.e., going after another tentacle of the Quantum organization)---and toss in an extra helping of womanizing and tie-straightening---they'll be on the right track.
I want to see Bond's consumption of one-night-stands as one of his coping mechanisms...along with martinis, nice clothing and good food...
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Get Craig a Fiona-like baddie to frolic with in the next film!
I would definitely like the re-introduction of the classic Bond elements in the next one. It would make the movie at least a little bit more palatable for me. Still not my ideal for obvious reasons, but in any case at least a movie I can enjoy for its Bond elements. And ideal for you blue right?
2 hotties, but more wouldn't be frown on
Lots of nice clothes and Bond in sharp-looking suits IMO
And 6 Martini's
But sure, more of all that would be welcome (if it makes sense in the story, tossing babes and bottles in randomly to meet a checklist... rather not, thanks). Craig hasn't yet met a Xenia Onatopp-type yet, that would be a great thing for the next film. :007)
BTW...The Col. Sanders analogy that was made was PERFECT!!
One of the worst ever made.....
wheres the baddies with metal teeth and white pussys ?
wheres the hords of large breasted bond girls ?
wheres the invisible cars n stealth boats and helicopters in briefcases ?
wheres the real bond music ?
Wheres the f***** plot to nuke the world ?
Very very disappointed and my boy fell asleep....that says it all.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Bond films these days try to steer clear of naff crap like the garbage you mentioned above.
Go back to watching trash like Die Another Day. You truly deserve it.
Sometimes, I feel very ashamed to belong to the same party, which dislikes QoS.
sped98, is there anything we may help you with tho raise the quality of your postings slightly?
5 posts here end every single one very below sealevel....
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Some of us like character development, plotline, action sequences that are impressive but make sense etc. - others enjoy senseless non-stop entertainment with gratuitous amounts of sex and violence.
Sorry your son fell asleep, maybe next time.
I thought that QoS was brilliant, a bit fast at times with the editing but full of style and great performances.
Bond is developing, and frankly I like the freshness. I am starting to like Craig and respect this performance far more.
I like QoS better than Casino Royale, I thought this was *more* Bond like. I went in nervous, and left very happy.
Next Bond I would like to see even more Bond, but still developing, I dont want every film to be the same.
+: Craig, Soundtrack, Locations, Chases, M, character dev, Camille, gunbarrel, QoS!
average: Dominic Greene, dialouge was plain.
-: camerawork in action scenes, goldfinger reference (didnt have to be so obvious), confusing plot elements.
"Better make that two."
I was a fierce critic of QoS after my first viewing and I stand by my criticisms. However, I've now seen it for a second time (after all) and I have to say I found it more enjoyable the second time around. Because I knew already what I disliked about it, I could concentrate more on the better points, including Craig's performance, and start to 'read' some coherency into the action sequences. I decided that several of the scenes worked better than I remembered. And the Quantum organisation could shape up into a credible SPECTRE for the modern age.
Having said that - I watched DAD again this week, too, and I started to enjoy even THAT one for what it was! The fact that DAD is possibly now the last Bond film of its kind invests it with a status that it lacked at the time of its release.
As for QoS, I like its more subtle nods to the past - Camille's repeated "Get in!" echoing Aki in YOLT, for example; and the return of a Cubby-style cameo of the 'coffin theme'. A less edifying allusion: the way in which Camille's climactic fight with the General is intercut with Craig's fight with Greene forms a parallel with the Miranda vs. Jinx / Brosnan vs. Graves inter-cut fighting at the climax of DAD.
Interesting comparisons between DAD and QoS, yes elements did remind me of DAD but QoS versions probably 300% better lol.
What you said about bringing back traditional elements is true, which annoys me as to why people say its missing Bond things. Rubbish, QoS is more Bondian that CR was.
"Better make that two."
Another point in common between QoS and DAD is the stale and wearisome dilemma afflicting Judi Dench's M - i.e., whether to trust Bond or whether to write him off as a liability ("Restrict Bond's movements!" Yawn!) Dame Judi's two-faced handling of Bond seems to be an element percolating directly from DAD through to QoS (via CR), suggesting, perhaps, that the rupture in continuity is not quite as extensive as one might at first think. Also, Michael Madsen could easily have reprised his DAD role ("Put your own house in order or we'll do it for you!") and been cast as Felix Leiter's sleazy CIA superior in QoS - his cynical character fits the same template.
I was always reluctant to profile M's silly behavior in my Incompetent M thread since it was uncertain if Dame Dench was in fact playing the same character. For those who see her as the same in, feel free to list your grievances.
For criticising M in QoS and CR I think we need to be careful because we cannot expect the kind of respect M has for Bond...in say...TWINE...yet.
M has become a bit too intergral to the story since TWINE, but I dont mind this esp. if its pulled off as it is in QoS.
Judi Dench as M in QoS restored my faith in her as playing M, her performance and the way her character was written was amazing.
"Better make that two."
It's interesting, though, that when Craig's Bond refers to M in conversation with Camille aboard the plane which comes under attack, he refers to her as a "friend" who'd like to think of herself as his "mother" - and he smiles as he says this. Its a moment which implies that there's a lot of water under the bridge between these two characters - the kind of remark that Brosnan might have made - even though we know that technically Craig's Bond has only recently been licensed to kill.
As for Dame Judi, I admire her as an actress, but I think that M is limited as a character and that there is only so much that can be done with her. (TWINE stretched the character's potential about as far as it can go, giving Dame Judi her best material in the part.)
Yea, very interesting. Even if M was a man I think the whole newness thing would imply the parent/guardian role because of him being an orphan. Which is why I am happy that things like this are mentioned throughout both of Craig's Bond's, instead of the past realised by the writers and inserted in TSWLM and FYEO, although well done in GE. This new direction makes the character far more complex, as he damn well should be. X-(
It was brilliant material wasn't it?
"Better make that two."
And when the brother and sister came down from the mountain, they carried a tablet saying:
1- Thou shalt not cavil ( ;% ) at the casting of a short*, blond man to play the tall, dark 007.
2- Thou shalt not quibble at the question of Q.
3- Thou shalt not Miss Moneypenny.
4- Thou shalt be thankful the theme song isn't incorporated into the score and must only be tolerated during the titles.
5- Thou shalt honour the magnificence that is Dame Judi, and cancel the continuity conundrum that she gave orders to both Brosnan and Craig.
6- Thou shalt be grateful for the small nods to Ian Fleming when they arise, and that QoS alone has more of them than all of Brosnan's put together**.
7- Thou shalt not grumble at the great gaps between movies, nor shalt thou offer to take MGW's place if he feels he needs a rest.
8- Thou shalt not dwell upon plot lapses in QoS, keeping in mind that these are in all Bond films and most films in general.
9- Thou shalt not speculate upon the next title until the brother and sister have tossed a coin and announced their verdict.
10- Thou shalt not post copyright images upon this or any other forum.
* Okay, medium-sized.
** DAD mainly references the previous movies rather than the novels.