The reviews of CRITICS too (who all raved about CR) are in general very, very poor.
This isn't true. There are some very, very poor ones; also some very good ones, and perhaps a larger proportion who just say it's okay. In general, the reviews are mixed. And to be honest I'd have to say that amongst Bond fans I've probably seen more positive than negative, although that's hard to quantify.
...since we need a younger Bond for the next one, there's this young man, called Henry Cavill:
Tall? Check. Dark? Check. Blue-eyed? Check. Gorgeous? MAJOR check. ) And sexy as hell, yet with an air of "I might kill you someday" to him.
This is the Bond of the future, in my humble opinion. He was my final preference, in the weeks/months prior to Craig's announcement. By the time Craig hangs it up, Henry ought to be ready :007)
sorry but he looks like a girly fashion model. far to pretty.
i will concede, tho, that what eon really needs is a mixture of brosnan and craig. the smooth and the rough. brosnan never convinces as tough enough,too tall and lanky IMO, but (after watching QOS for the 3rd time today) craig could do with a bit more refinement. perhaps eon will listen to the criticism and give us that next time. craig should smile and wink a bit more, and the tone should lighten a bit...
) I swear we will NEVER fight over men. EVER ) )
We clearly have opposite definitions of "handsome" "gorgeous" and "girly". I think Cavill is EXACTLY the mix of Craig and Brosnan. Thankfully, with the looks part much more leaning towards handsome like Pierce rather than bland/everyday dude (and I'm being generous here )) like Craig. And he's got the rough part. I presume you have never watched "the Tudors"? I think that may change your mind. Cavill does badass (the main Craig feature) so well there, while scheming with frat boy Henry and getting in the middle of international affaris with the Pope and France.. plus womanizer. In short, a Bond of the Tudor era )
NP, I think we all concur the election was FAR more important than QoS. What I find hilarious is that (and I didn't know, in general Bond movies here are released in January) they are gonna release it here in Italy on Friday. Italy is gonna see it before the US! :O I was convinced my friend had given me HUGE scoop making me see the movie in his theater before release, but it's just a few days before? ) Well well, always scoop it is. Sadly, not on a good Bond note.
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Sorry emtiem, you're right, I should've specified "in Italy". They're very poor in general. I still have to see a positive one here. And these people all raved about CR (but the big Corriere della Sera critic, who hated it and said he'd be one of the three in the world to criticise it and said hello to a critic in Chicago I think plus another one in his column, as those were the other two critics )).
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Cheers, olliemills! {[] And welcome to AJB! I hope you stick around and enjoy the site---it's always great to hear somebody say they enjoyed the new Bond film...We Yanks are still yet to see it ( X-( ), and the slaggers are having the time of their lives...
Loeffs darling, you and I have always gotten on very well.. and we always will. So I feel like telling you that calling us slaggers is just uncalled for. I don't take delight in NOT enjoying Bond. At all. I actually don't like this situation at all, and I WISH I could see what I want on screen but I just don't see it. The reviews of CRITICS too (who all raved about CR) are in general very, very poor. These are critics, not fans. They don't take any delight in slamming anything down, they just do their job.
They put up an entire page on Corriere della Sera today, and this critic who raved about CR (though to be fair the main critic of the newspaper slammed CR, which surprised me as I agreed with every single word he had said )) completely axed QoS. The main title is "gun fights and car chases. So has failed the challenge to modernise Bond" And this is from someone who raved about Craig and CR. The critic says Craig COULD have worked in this movie, if only they had given him much better material and kept a more psychological and lighter approach "instead of turning it into a nonstop, nonsensical sequence of car chases, gun and non gun fights that make the viewers' heads spin".
.The critic also goes on and says that Bond's relationship with alcohol is ridiculed in this movie (I think someone mentioned this in the long reviews and they were slammed for saying so) not to mention the Bond girl part (I won't say the rest as we don't give out spoilers here. And he concludes saying that too many classic fundamental elements of Bond that make him Bond are missing, and they need to bring those back. And that the references to scenes from the past that were real Bond moments (again I won't specify) only make the spectator long for the old Bond, seeing the comparison with this one.
Now the above are basically the gripes most of us have. And this is a critic, not a fan. And again, one who RAVED about CR. So I really don't think we're slammers. We're just people who didn't enjoy the movie, and/or people (like me) who not only don't enjoy the movie but also don't enjoy Daniel Craig's portrayal of Bond in general ) ) It's not fun. It's disappointing. And I find it very unfair that those who dare criticise very often receive rude remarks.
I've never had a problem, and I truly enjoy talking to both those who enjoy Craig's Bond and those who don't enjoy, but I have noticed this "trend" about QoS and I frankly think it is unfair. We have a right to dislike things or like things, and neither of the two "categories" should be insulted because they feel a certain way. We're disappointed fans who feel QoS doesn't deliver, not slammers having the time of their life.
And on a good note:
I KNEW I could count on you for Henry, Loeffs I really hope he becomes Bond no.7. It'd be the right change... and well, back to drooling over my favourite spy for me ) ) )
I agree wholeheartedly, and am also not wild about anyone who has seen the film & expresses an honest opinion being branded a 'slagger'. I wish we could get past tribalism and into some decent debate. I am really saddened by QOS and like you find no joy at all in that, particularly after CR which I did like. I also am very happy for anyone who finds much to cheer about in QOS. For me the only saving grace was that it was short.
I saw QoS in a double bill Bond screening, together with CR. Here my quick review.
Action: Very great, but way too much especially in the end, a lot of explosions and fire. They also could show some total shots in the boat scene and the aston martin scene so, you know what's happening.
Visually the movie was very great, beautiful locations and beautiful use of colors and tints.
Music fitted very well within the movie, was good and not distracting.
The parallel editing in the opera scene was very great, excellent job.
The song and the Title Sequence were very bad, this is really a shame, i'm not a big fan of Alicia Keys but she is a good singer, if you hire her, why not let her sing a good powerful song instead of some stupid sentences (a phone on the table...o man this is bad...).
I don't know how Michael Wilson and Barbara Brocolli could have passed this title sequence.
No story in the song, no story in the title sequence and not really a clear story in the movie.
The villain isn't that bad (but also not good), but give him an evil plan...or at least a plan...
The movie was entertaining but it was kind of a Die Hard, beautiful action but no story and no character development.
I thought with Marc Forster, the movie was going to be very narrative, but this is the biggest weak point.
and also the gunbarrel at the end...like they forgot it and 'let's put it here then'.
Especially after just seeing Casino Royale, Qos was not too great. Too bad i'm very negative at what could have been a great movie.
Going to watch it again...maybe I'll get the story this time.
Cheers, olliemills! {[] And welcome to AJB! I hope you stick around and enjoy the site---it's always great to hear somebody say they enjoyed the new Bond film...We Yanks are still yet to see it ( X-( ), and the slaggers are having the time of their lives...
Loeffs darling, you and I have always gotten on very well.. and we always will. So I feel like telling you that calling us slaggers is just uncalled for.
Yes, we always will, Alessandra :x Therefore, if you don't think you're one of the slaggers, then by defininition you aren't, since I feel that such a hobby requires a degree of self-awareness, so please don't take offence---and the same for anyone whose feelings are bruised by the word...but there are a lot of them about (which is only my perception, of course! ). So therefore, I feel it's extremely called for, and I've always called them as I've seen them. And if I was unclear in my phrasing, I meant all over the internet, and not just AJB.
What's so often missed here is that there is a genuine plurality of opinion on The Reviled QoSTM. Many people---on this site and others---quite like it in fact. I'm hardly commenting at all, because I've not seen it yet ( X-( )...and I won't for another week ( X-( )...actually I'm only posting on the review threads when I'm called out by name these days!
However people choose to identify themselves, I'm afraid I stand by my comment that fun is being had by the bucketfull...and they know who they are
I've never had a problem, and I truly enjoy talking to both those who enjoy Craig's Bond and those who don't enjoy, but I have noticed this "trend" about QoS and I frankly think it is unfair. We have a right to dislike things or like things, and neither of the two "categories" should be insulted because they feel a certain way. We're disappointed fans who feel QoS doesn't deliver, not slammers having the time of their life.
If you say so! [see above] {:) Everyone's entitled to their opinion...including me! {[] And someday, I hope to see the film for myself, and give one. Meanwhile, I'm stuck reviewing the reviews---and if people don't like my review...sorry about that! (catch the parallel?)
I KNEW I could count on you for Henry, Loeffs I really hope he becomes Bond no.7. It'd be the right change... and well, back to drooling over my favourite spy for me ) ) )
Indeed. I look forward to agreeing with you about James Bond some day, my dear. I hope to live at least that long B-)
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Tribalism )
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One of worst - if not the worst ever - only Bond film I will not insist on getting on DVD.
+ Daniel Craig, Mathis, hope that it is precursor to 3rd part of "trilogy" that is much better and excells even Casino Royale.
- Where do I start, Car chase is worst ever director obviously has no clue how to handle this type of action; too many unoriginal ideas borrowed from previous Bonds and other much better action films ( Bourne / Indy etc); and Mathis ( who stole the film) was badly handled and a missed opportunity.
*Edited for Spoiler Content - Sir Miles.
Please remember this is a SPOILER FREE thread.
Oh, dear; I have to wait until the 14th and then I won't be able to see it for a number of days unless I can get to a Matinee screening X-(
In the meantime, I feel I must make 3 points:
1) Now I know something about Mathis I'd rather have waited to find out IN the movie - thanks a lot!
2) Mrs Wint, there is NOTHING in Sean Connery's accent that is Glaswegian. Glaswegian is about as close to his Edinburgh accent as a Nottingham accent is to a Manchester one.
3) Sorry, Alessandra, but Cavill? ?:) I think it's mostly the mouth, but he ALWAYS just reminds me of the sappy kid from ET. Still, I suppose he could use a fanciful gadget to "phone home".................
I was really looking forward to seeing this after CR as I think Daniel makes a great bond, but very disappointed, the editing for the car chase at the beginning and the 1st fight made me feel quite ill, at least after that it got slightly less choppy and more bearable. THe plot was very thin left lots of questions like 'how did he get there?' what happened to his knief wound which didn't seem to affect his fighting ability. The Theme music was awful, but the score in general was OK. I real let down after CR. I hope the next one is better, with longer runs of a scene before they cut to a new angle.
I hoped and expected that QoS would go further in the style of CR. I thought this was going to be a good sequel to CR because the producers know what we like in CR. I expected something like the Dark Knight compared to Batman Begins. Both wonderful films but the 2nd one much better than the first. A very worthy successor.
I also expected more Fleming and a good torture scene like in CR (love the magic in that scene).
I saw film ,but only twice.Two days after, I could say it's ok , better than most but still not in a class of FRWL,OHMSS,GF or CR.Film is full of adrenalin ,pure action all over on a car,boat,plane...(some say too much concerning duration of 105 min.)These scenes get some similarity with Bourne but I don't care ,I love them a lot.DC is excelant again and he play a new Bond, this time with sharp edge.All support roles are mostly satisfying ,especially M and Matis.There are more variations on some typical bond stuff like : gunburell scene,introducing,martini shaken not stirred,james bond theme etc.
About music ,Arnold's score is very good,and he proves he is right choice for future.
At the end I'm going to see it one time more and than wait for DVD and 2010 for new adventure.
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Loeffs... anything for a positive review huh darling?? ) ) )
And I do get your point, but I still think there have been unfair attacks on those who criticise the movie... still, as I said, we always got on well and always will, of course .;%
Now, about Cavill, trust me, I am looking forward to agreeing with you on him more than you! ) ) Ahhh, back to good old Bond drooling.. I miss it ) )
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And I do get your point, but I still think there have been unfair attacks on those who criticise the movie... still, as I said, we always got on well and always will, of course. ;%
That sabre cuts both ways...we who defend Craig and the New Era have taken our share of abuse and derision, trust me. We're all James Bond fans...sometimes I think that's overlooked. With BonditicsTM, as with politics, the party out of power tends to enjoy the end product less than those on the winning end. It's part of the deal...but in the case of QoS it's not that simple, as we reportedly have issues of directorial style (and a script likely impacted by a writer's strike!) clouding the issue. *
Now, about Cavill, trust me, I am looking forward to agreeing with you on him more than you! ) )
Of that I've no doubt :v
* EDIT: Highlighted in bold for the vision- and thought-impaired.
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well time for my imput...
i saw it last week and loved it !
ok the plot is week compared with others but i love a "stripped down " bond with no silly gadgets and with a ****ty on..
the fight sequences make you whince if u are use to anything pre-CR but they are realistic !!
yes they have been taken of Bourne's but they are brilliant fight scenes as well.
long may it continue IMOH
And I do get your point, but I still think there have been unfair attacks on those who criticise the movie... still, as I said, we always got on well and always will, of course. ;%
That sabre cuts both ways...we who defend Craig and the New Era have taken our share of abuse and derision, trust me. We're all James Bond fans...sometimes I think that's overlooked. With BonditicsTM, as with politics, the party out of power tends to enjoy the end product less than those on the winning end. It's part of the deal...but in the case of QoS it's not that simple, as we reportedly have issues of directorial style (and a script likely impacted by a writer's strike!) clouding the issue.
Now, about Cavill, trust me, I am looking forward to agreeing with you on him more than you! ) )
Of that I've no doubt :v
You still dont get it do you.
This is not a polarised dispute that breaks down along Party lines with a crude choice of either being for or against the 'new era'. I am all for the new era, and a move away from invisible cars to a more robust and darkly convincing Bond. I really rate CR very highly. That said I find no contadiction in feeling that QOS is a real let down and low point in the entire series and a waste of Daniel's talents, even allowing for the fact that matching or bettering CR was a tall order.
How do you account for the number of people who support and enjoyed the reboot, yet don't like QOS, or damn it with faint praise ?
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You still dont get it do you. This is not a polarised dispute that breaks down along Party lines with a crude choice of either being for or against the 'new era'. I am all for the new era, and a move away from invisible cars to a more robust and darkly convincing Bond. I really rate CR very highly. That said I find no contadiction in feeling that QOS is a real let down and low point in the entire series and a waste of Daniel's talents, even allowing for the fact that matching or bettering CR was a tall order.
How do you account for the number of people who support and enjoyed the reboot, yet don't like QOS, or damn it with faint praise ?
I think I do get it...sorry about that!
I clearly stated, in this post and others, that enjoyment of QoS doesn't break down along party lines, as I'd previously envisioned---i.e., I said I was wrong:
I 'account for the number of people who support and enjoyed the reboot, yet don't like QoS, or damn it with faint praise,' by accurately taking note of the directorial issues (and a script likely affected by a writer's strike!), which you quoted above, yet apparently didn't bother to read 8-) I clearly stated there that people's differences about the new film are more complicated than party affiliations (which were created in a spirit of fun), which completely eludes you, sadly. Therefore, I honestly don't know what else you want from me.
Nowhere am I saying that you aren't entitled to your opinion, and yet you persist in coming round to take a swing at me for giving mine. Go and play with someone who agrees with you all the time, Mr. 'Decent Debate.'
Your ongoing hang-up with my posts rather proves something about partisanship, BTW. Who's the tribalist?
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How about, instead, we draw a line under ALL the previous posts? This thread is for reviews of QoS, and discussions of said reviews. How about we stop talking about "party lines", how about we stop discussing people who could have got the job four years ago, how about we stop making snide remarks and underhanded comments? How about discussing, in reasoned, measured tones, what was seen on the screen?
I don't particularly care if you thought QoS is the second coming of Our Lord or if you think every can of film should be interned in cement and sunk to the bottom of the Atlantic. Reasonable, calm, measured discussions. Come on folks: there's a whole lot of Americans who have avoided this topic like the plague to avoid spoilers, and who are all going to turn up in a few days time. Let's reassure them that we haven't let the side down without their sage input...
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) I am laughing at myself because I was about to try to be the middle man and try and make our two guys get along better, but I see someone much more important than me already stepped in..
I don't honestly think anyone wanted to have a bad discussion, and I also think we've had a good deal of fun with some of the remarks about QoS... but yes. We will of course obey.
So to get back to short reviews? I forgot to add (and I won't give any details in order not to give out spoilers, I already did this in the other thread) that there are some pretty big inaccuracies in the pre title sequence that bugged not just me, but my brother and his friends who went to see it last night. Sorry, I get carried away when I talk about stuff that disappoints me and then I forget the key points ) )
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) I am laughing at myself because I was about to try to be the middle man and try and make our two guys get along better, but I see someone much more important than me already stepped in..
Indeed, and I've learnt my lesson. No more of my nonsense from now on.
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) I am laughing at myself because I was about to try to be the middle man and try and make our two guys get along better, but I see someone much more important than me already stepped in..
Indeed, and I've learnt my lesson. No more of my nonsense from now on.
OH come on, if we were always sensible it wouldn't even be fun!
We want your opinion Loeffs so... ah wait you haven't seen it yet ) ) (sorry, I'm just teasing)
I think Maherj made very good points, I found his review meeting my opinion but he made the points better than I did... to cut a long story short, don't think QoS will ever rank high in my Bond preferences ) Bottom 3, and that's being generous (it would deserve bottom, period, but I'm debating it.. because I am a liberal person, don't want to just condemn it wihout giving it a good thought first ))
"Are we on coms?" (if you don't know where this is from... you've missed some really good stuff! )
Myself and my very dear friend Asp9mm (he will never confess to be my friend though ) are both feeling for the reboot and Casino Royale, but we both dislike QoS for similar reason.
So, there are no real party lines, it is all personal taste.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
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This isn't true. There are some very, very poor ones; also some very good ones, and perhaps a larger proportion who just say it's okay. In general, the reviews are mixed. And to be honest I'd have to say that amongst Bond fans I've probably seen more positive than negative, although that's hard to quantify.
We clearly have opposite definitions of "handsome" "gorgeous" and "girly". I think Cavill is EXACTLY the mix of Craig and Brosnan. Thankfully, with the looks part much more leaning towards handsome like Pierce rather than bland/everyday dude (and I'm being generous here
NP, I think we all concur the election was FAR more important than QoS. What I find hilarious is that (and I didn't know, in general Bond movies here are released in January) they are gonna release it here in Italy on Friday. Italy is gonna see it before the US! :O I was convinced my friend had given me HUGE scoop making me see the movie in his theater before release, but it's just a few days before?
I agree wholeheartedly, and am also not wild about anyone who has seen the film & expresses an honest opinion being branded a 'slagger'. I wish we could get past tribalism and into some decent debate. I am really saddened by QOS and like you find no joy at all in that, particularly after CR which I did like. I also am very happy for anyone who finds much to cheer about in QOS. For me the only saving grace was that it was short.
Ah... that's where the title comes from!
Roger Moore 1927-2017
If anything, the humour from QoS negative reactions is cracking me up
Action: Very great, but way too much especially in the end, a lot of explosions and fire. They also could show some total shots in the boat scene and the aston martin scene so, you know what's happening.
Visually the movie was very great, beautiful locations and beautiful use of colors and tints.
Music fitted very well within the movie, was good and not distracting.
The parallel editing in the opera scene was very great, excellent job.
The song and the Title Sequence were very bad, this is really a shame, i'm not a big fan of Alicia Keys but she is a good singer, if you hire her, why not let her sing a good powerful song instead of some stupid sentences (a phone on the table...o man this is bad...).
I don't know how Michael Wilson and Barbara Brocolli could have passed this title sequence.
No story in the song, no story in the title sequence and not really a clear story in the movie.
The villain isn't that bad (but also not good), but give him an evil plan...or at least a plan...
The movie was entertaining but it was kind of a Die Hard, beautiful action but no story and no character development.
I thought with Marc Forster, the movie was going to be very narrative, but this is the biggest weak point.
and also the gunbarrel at the end...like they forgot it and 'let's put it here then'.
Especially after just seeing Casino Royale, Qos was not too great. Too bad i'm very negative at what could have been a great movie.
Going to watch it again...maybe I'll get the story this time.
1- We don't need a new bond yet
2- Henry Cavill is about 15 years too young, he needs to age a great deal and become somewhat more grizzly. He's just too boyish.
I'm starting a website
www.HenryCavillisnotBond.com
In all fairness in a decade or so he may be the perfect choice, but not quite yet.
Yes, we always will, Alessandra
What's so often missed here is that there is a genuine plurality of opinion on The Reviled QoSTM. Many people---on this site and others---quite like it in fact. I'm hardly commenting at all, because I've not seen it yet ( X-( )...and I won't for another week ( X-( )...actually I'm only posting on the review threads when I'm called out by name these days!
However people choose to identify themselves, I'm afraid I stand by my comment that fun is being had by the bucketfull...and they know who they are
If you say so! [see above] {:) Everyone's entitled to their opinion...including me! {[] And someday, I hope to see the film for myself, and give one. Meanwhile, I'm stuck reviewing the reviews---and if people don't like my review...sorry about that! (catch the parallel?)
Indeed. I look forward to agreeing with you about James Bond some day, my dear. I hope to live at least that long B-)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
+ Daniel Craig, Mathis, hope that it is precursor to 3rd part of "trilogy" that is much better and excells even Casino Royale.
- Where do I start, Car chase is worst ever director obviously has no clue how to handle this type of action; too many unoriginal ideas borrowed from previous Bonds and other much better action films ( Bourne / Indy etc); and Mathis ( who stole the film) was badly handled and a missed opportunity.
*Edited for Spoiler Content - Sir Miles.
Please remember this is a SPOILER FREE thread.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
In the meantime, I feel I must make 3 points:
1) Now I know something about Mathis I'd rather have waited to find out IN the movie - thanks a lot!
2) Mrs Wint, there is NOTHING in Sean Connery's accent that is Glaswegian. Glaswegian is about as close to his Edinburgh accent as a Nottingham accent is to a Manchester one.
3) Sorry, Alessandra, but Cavill? ?:) I think it's mostly the mouth, but he ALWAYS just reminds me of the sappy kid from ET. Still, I suppose he could use a fanciful gadget to "phone home".................
I also expected more Fleming and a good torture scene like in CR (love the magic in that scene).
About music ,Arnold's score is very good,and he proves he is right choice for future.
At the end I'm going to see it one time more and than wait for DVD and 2010 for new adventure.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Loeffs... anything for a positive review huh darling??
And I do get your point, but I still think there have been unfair attacks on those who criticise the movie... still, as I said, we always got on well and always will, of course .;%
Now, about Cavill, trust me, I am looking forward to agreeing with you on him more than you!
Hell, yes! We're getting killed, here! {:)
That sabre cuts both ways...we who defend Craig and the New Era have taken our share of abuse and derision, trust me. We're all James Bond fans...sometimes I think that's overlooked. With BonditicsTM, as with politics, the party out of power tends to enjoy the end product less than those on the winning end. It's part of the deal...but in the case of QoS it's not that simple, as we reportedly have issues of directorial style (and a script likely impacted by a writer's strike!) clouding the issue. *
Of that I've no doubt :v
* EDIT: Highlighted in bold for the vision- and thought-impaired.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
i saw it last week and loved it !
ok the plot is week compared with others but i love a "stripped down " bond with no silly gadgets and with a ****ty on..
the fight sequences make you whince if u are use to anything pre-CR but they are realistic !!
yes they have been taken of Bourne's but they are brilliant fight scenes as well.
long may it continue IMOH
You still dont get it do you.
This is not a polarised dispute that breaks down along Party lines with a crude choice of either being for or against the 'new era'. I am all for the new era, and a move away from invisible cars to a more robust and darkly convincing Bond. I really rate CR very highly. That said I find no contadiction in feeling that QOS is a real let down and low point in the entire series and a waste of Daniel's talents, even allowing for the fact that matching or bettering CR was a tall order.
How do you account for the number of people who support and enjoyed the reboot, yet don't like QOS, or damn it with faint praise ?
I think I do get it...sorry about that!
I clearly stated, in this post and others, that enjoyment of QoS doesn't break down along party lines, as I'd previously envisioned---i.e., I said I was wrong:
http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=31688
I 'account for the number of people who support and enjoyed the reboot, yet don't like QoS, or damn it with faint praise,' by accurately taking note of the directorial issues (and a script likely affected by a writer's strike!), which you quoted above, yet apparently didn't bother to read 8-) I clearly stated there that people's differences about the new film are more complicated than party affiliations (which were created in a spirit of fun), which completely eludes you, sadly. Therefore, I honestly don't know what else you want from me.
Nowhere am I saying that you aren't entitled to your opinion, and yet you persist in coming round to take a swing at me for giving mine. Go and play with someone who agrees with you all the time, Mr. 'Decent Debate.'
Your ongoing hang-up with my posts rather proves something about partisanship, BTW. Who's the tribalist?
Is it too late to welcome you to AJB?
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I don't particularly care if you thought QoS is the second coming of Our Lord or if you think every can of film should be interned in cement and sunk to the bottom of the Atlantic. Reasonable, calm, measured discussions. Come on folks: there's a whole lot of Americans who have avoided this topic like the plague to avoid spoilers, and who are all going to turn up in a few days time. Let's reassure them that we haven't let the side down without their sage input...
@merseytart
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I don't honestly think anyone wanted to have a bad discussion, and I also think we've had a good deal of fun with some of the remarks about QoS... but yes. We will of course obey.
So to get back to short reviews? I forgot to add (and I won't give any details in order not to give out spoilers, I already did this in the other thread) that there are some pretty big inaccuracies in the pre title sequence that bugged not just me, but my brother and his friends who went to see it last night. Sorry, I get carried away when I talk about stuff that disappoints me and then I forget the key points
Indeed, and I've learnt my lesson. No more of my nonsense from now on.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
OH come on, if we were always sensible it wouldn't even be fun!
We want your opinion Loeffs so... ah wait you haven't seen it yet
I think Maherj made very good points, I found his review meeting my opinion but he made the points better than I did... to cut a long story short, don't think QoS will ever rank high in my Bond preferences
Myself and my very dear friend Asp9mm (he will never confess to be my friend though
So, there are no real party lines, it is all personal taste.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!