Advice for the Director/Producer for the next bond

If you could tell the Director what to improve for the next Bond film, what would it be?

I would tell them that film editor Richard Pearson needs to be fired! I was completely dizzy from watching all of those cuts during the action scenes last night and you really lose a lot of the awesomeness because the frames were cut every 2 seconds.

I seriously thought I was going to have a seizure. #1 this isn't lame bourne or cloverfield. It does not enhance the film to shake the camera or do cuts every 2 seconds, in fact it takes away from the movie. How many cars were destroyed in the making of this film? And did we get to see any of it? NO!

But besides being dizzy and wanting to throw up, I thought the movie was great. The bond girl was perfect, the fire ember scene was artistic, Daniel Craig is fantastic and the best bond besides Timothy.

Overall, it was a step backwards from Casino Royale. CR was realistic and made you believe that Bond could exist and it didn't need crazy cuts of action to project the story well.

Comments

  • c_a_r_t_e_r_3_5c_a_r_t_e_r_3_5 Posts: 116MI6 Agent
    People really need to stop going on about fast cuts and shakey cameras.

    8-)
  • jillmastersonjillmasterson Posts: 4MI6 Agent
    Hmm I actually haven't read anything about it because I was avoiding the spoilers until I saw it last night. Is there a lot of talk about how awful the cuts were?
  • c_a_r_t_e_r_3_5c_a_r_t_e_r_3_5 Posts: 116MI6 Agent
    Oh yeah there's lots of people that think the same as you. Don't worry, I wasn't trying to single you out or anything. And sorry, I didn't realise that you'd been avoiding all the spoilers.

    It just seems that everybody ha something against the style in which it's been edited. Personally, I don't mind it.

    Also, it hasn't been cut badly, it's just a certain style. It's supposed to get the audience more involved with whats going on on-screen, especially when the plot is filled with emotion. Also, the fast cuts give a sensation of a fast pace.

    It just looks like a lot of people prefer a more traditional style.

    :)
  • PredatorPredator Posts: 790Chief of Staff
    People really need to stop going on about fast cuts and shakey cameras.

    8-)

    Fair enough, but why in your opinion?

    Personally I would agree, though: new editor and director would be good for B23
  • jillmastersonjillmasterson Posts: 4MI6 Agent
    "Hi, I'm a producer and I like to change the successful formula to make our millions of bond fans mad so I can have a few bourne fans"
  • BFAzureBFAzure Posts: 10MI6 Agent
    Please make your name "Martin Campbell". Thank you.

    Barring that, here's a start: DON'T. MESS. WITH. A. WINNING. FORMULA!!!!!!!!!!!! Sexual tension. Sexy climes. Twisted climaxes. Bond charm. Nice cars. Non-sensical, maniacal, and downright absurd villains. Women that can act, and don't dress like prostitutes. A Bond that kills as a last resort and out of protection for his MISSION!!!!!! Comical asides.

    It's simple, really.
  • kinserfan11kinserfan11 Posts: 35MI6 Agent
    What cuts are you people talking about? i saw last nite and thought it was Great Bond film and the action never stopped ; the only time it really slow down was when Bond was in Bed with either ms fields or talking to M {[]{[]
  • bigzilchobigzilcho Toronto, ONPosts: 245MI6 Agent
    People really need to stop going on about fast cuts and shakey cameras.

    8-)

    Greetings, c_a_r_t_e_r 35.

    Just wanted to clarify something. Why EXACTLY should people stop "going on" about the editing?

    Take a look at the posts so far. The editing is becoming a MAJOR issue for a lot of fans. And simply saying not to complain about it ISN'T going to change the legitimate complaints one fraction.

    If, in your opinion, everything is hunky-dory with the editing, all power to you. But please don't imply that we, who believe the shooting style is chaotic, are somehow wasting our breath and your time in the process.

    You better get used to the fact that this is not an issue that will go away.

    I come from the old-school Peter Hunt and Stuard Baird type of editing. What school is that? The one in which the editing is lightning-fast AND readable. Which, IMO, is not the case of QOS.

    Is it possible to legitimately criticize an aspect of the film which is seriously bothering fans without having to put up with a "get over it" attitude?

    I believe it is. And with QOS, we better "agree to disagree" because this Bond film has the potential to be the most divisive ever.

    In the end, its simply a difference of opinion. Don't you agree?



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  • bigzilchobigzilcho Toronto, ONPosts: 245MI6 Agent
    edited November 2008
    Oh, one more thing, c_a_r_t_e_r__3_5.

    Fast cuts and shakey cameras are not the issue.

    Storytelling is what is really being addressed here.



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    "Never on the firm's time, sir."
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited November 2008
    Although I'm quite a fan of QoS (I've got it ranked 6th overall on my list), I'm very hopeful that Eon will make a sincere effort to distance themselves from

    [Bournebournebournebournebournebournebourne...BOURNE! Bourney-bourne-bourne...buh-buh-buh-Booouuurne]

    comparisons to other action film franchises, by avoiding the seductively easy route of trendy close-in, shaky handheld cameras and chaotic editing tactics. Let's try something truly brave, and show a few long shots, for perspective's sake...

    I'm prepared to argue all day long about the artistic truth to be found in "subjective perspective" viewpoint, and the disciplined application of close-ups and quick-cuts...but we've seen it now. Let's not be afraid to also try what's worked for several decades...

    ;)
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  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Spastic ADHD editing has to go . . . that's a given. My mother and sister are fans, but I'm afraid to show them this for fear of making them vomit or worse.

    Scripts still need work; they're definitely better than they were in the Brosnan era, but they're not as deep as some of us want to believe. In particular, I fond Mathis' death scene in this film mostly exploitative rather than meaningful.
  • 00-Agent00-Agent CaliforniaPosts: 453MI6 Agent
    Bring back Q and Moneypenny. Add a bit more suave and a little less grit. Not to much but I would like to see Craigs Bond evolve a little more into the smooth sophisticated secret agent I know and love.
    "A blunt instrument wielded by a Government department. Hard, ruthless, sardonic, fatalistic. He likes gambling, golf, fast motor cars. All his movements are relaxed and economical". Ian Fleming
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,755MI6 Agent
    I'm sure they could get Q back into it, but Moneypenny could be trickier the way M has her staff set up. My vote for Q is Hugh Lurie, in full cranky Dr. House mode but with his natural British accent of course. Lurie would also make a good M if they ever decide to replace JD.
  • 00-Agent00-Agent CaliforniaPosts: 453MI6 Agent
    I agree with you I think Hugh Laurie would be a great Q.
    "A blunt instrument wielded by a Government department. Hard, ruthless, sardonic, fatalistic. He likes gambling, golf, fast motor cars. All his movements are relaxed and economical". Ian Fleming
  • zaphodzaphod Posts: 1,183MI6 Agent
    Although I'm quite a fan of QoS (I've got it ranked 6th overall on my list), I'm very hopeful that Eon will make a sincere effort to distance themselves from

    [Bournebournebournebournebournebournebourne...BOURNE! Bourney-bourne-bourne...buh-buh-buh-Booouuurne]

    comparisons to other action film franchises, by avoiding the seductively easy route of trendy close-in, shaky handheld cameras and chaotic editing tactics. Let's try something truly brave, and show a few long shots, for perspective's sake...

    I'm prepared to argue all day long about the artistic truth to be found in "subjective perspective" viewpoint, and the disciplined application of close-ups and quick-cuts...but we've seen it now. Let's not be afraid to also try what's worked for several decades...

    ;)

    Well put.
    I think that to some extent the in- close/jerky style is just a fact about how action movies are made at the moment. Therefore I wouldn't want or expect it to entirely dissapear in Bond 23.I think it's a question of balance. I don't think it would take much of a shift to 'pull back' occassionaly which would probably be enough to unite the divided opinions re the editing style.
  • zaphodzaphod Posts: 1,183MI6 Agent
    Although I'm quite a fan of QoS (I've got it ranked 6th overall on my list), I'm very hopeful that Eon will make a sincere effort to distance themselves from

    [Bournebournebournebournebournebournebourne...BOURNE! Bourney-bourne-bourne...buh-buh-buh-Booouuurne]

    comparisons to other action film franchises, by avoiding the seductively easy route of trendy close-in, shaky handheld cameras and chaotic editing tactics. Let's try something truly brave, and show a few long shots, for perspective's sake...

    I'm prepared to argue all day long about the artistic truth to be found in "subjective perspective" viewpoint, and the disciplined application of close-ups and quick-cuts...but we've seen it now. Let's not be afraid to also try what's worked for several decades...

    ;)
  • Waltherppk007Waltherppk007 Posts: 27MI6 Agent
    How about telling him not to steal scenes from Point Break and styles from The Bourne Identity to complete his Bond film? Enough of the "I can't shoot or choreograph action so I'll just make it where you can't see it" crap.
  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,667MI6 Agent
    00-Agent wrote:
    Add a bit more suave and a little less grit. Not to much but I would like to see Craigs Bond evolve a little more into the smooth sophisticated secret agent I know and love.

    Apart from the editing, this was another major gripe with the movie as far as I was concerned.
    I think it has been well established that Craig is a tough nut, now they need to focus on the style and his idiosyncrasies a little more.
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