best Red Grant clone

bacaret

I watched Frwl last night and as usual was blown away on how great the Red Grant character was. He is tall athletic and of course a brutal killer, the best henchman in the series in my opinion,and also in the producers opinion too,because they have continued to clone him in other movies to various degrees of succsess. Eric Kreigler in fyeo , Necros from tld, and Stamper from tnd are just a few of the characters created to be like Grant. In my opinion none are near his character, but if I had to choose I would go withe Necros as the best, his milkman scene proved he could be brutal,and I think his character is more developed than the others. Any way what does everyone else think is the best Grant clone maybe one that I did not even mention. Robert Shaw as Red Grant is fabulous!!!!!!!:007)

Mr Martini

If Gotz Otto (Stamper) didn't go as "over the top" as he did, I think he would of ranked right up there with Robert Shaw (Red Grant) and Andreas Wisniewski (Necros). Imagine the torture scene we could of had if Stamper was given the chance (Maybe put Red Grant in Stampers place :v ) to torture Bond.

petelangers

I think having a great henchman is one of a few factors that is paramount in having a really top quality Bond episode.

Jaws would get my vote as top henchman, but I can't disagree that Robert Shaw's part was brilliantly portrayed and the train scenes put you really on edge.

Necros too was great. I loved it when "he got the boot!"

Golrush007

I personally don't think that any henchman has come close to Red Grant - although Jaws is great, the more comical nature of his character makes him score lower than Grant.

As for a so-called Grant clone, I would say that my favourite is probably Herr Stamper. Necros is pretty close as well.

Ilya Kuryakin

How about Hans in YOLT?

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Number24

bacaret wrote:

I watched Frwl last night and as usual was blown away on how great the Red Grant character was. He is tall athletic and of course a brutal killer, the best henchman in the series in my opinion,and also in the producers opinion too,because they have continued to clone him in other movies to various degrees of succsess. Eric Kreigler in fyeo , Necros from tld, and Stamper from tnd are just a few of the characters created to be like Grant. In my opinion none are near his character, but if I had to choose I would go withe Necros as the best, his milkman scene proved he could be brutal,and I think his character is more developed than the others. Any way what does everyone else think is the best Grant clone maybe one that I did not even mention. Robert Shaw as Red Grant is fabulous!!!!!!!:007)

Actually, I think Red Grant in the novel is the best henchman Bond ever fought. It's time that character was fully used in the films! In the film Grant is "just" a man who kills for SPECTRE. In the novel Grant is a serial killer who kills because of his psyche.
SMERSH is his protector and sponsor, but he kills because he must!

Shady Tree

As well as Kriegler, Necros and Stamper, Hans - Blofeld's bodyguard in YOLT - is also something of a Grant clone. None of them is anything like as interesting and enthralling as Grant, though Necros is the most chilling and memorable of these also-rans - the most deliberate of the Grant imitations. Having said that, the perverse nature of Stamper's implied off-screen relationship with the camp Doctor Kaufman gives pause for thought.

thesecretagent

I agree with you all on Red Grant - a truly brilliant henchman. But Necros? My two year old daughter could kick his ass! Strangling a milkman with a stereo cable - the damn thing blurting out music at the time - as I've said somewhere before on this site, good job it was a milkman and not an SAS bodyguard. His ballet front kicks were a laugh as well. I can barely watch the scene anymore.

Loeffelholz

thesecretagent wrote:

...Necros? My two year old daughter could kick his ass! Strangling a milkman with a stereo cable - the damn thing blurting out music at the time - as I've said somewhere before on this site, good job it was a milkman and not an SAS bodyguard. His ballet front kicks were a laugh as well. I can barely watch the scene anymore.

I'll take your assertion on the general superiority of the SAS as a given...and I won't defend the ballet kicks...but I've always just figured that the stereo cable (playing music or not) simply disguised a hidden garrotte wire, in typical Bond movie fashion. If it's completely impossible to garrotte an SAS bodyguard, I guess we can add that to the very long list of unrealistic elements in Cinematic Bond.

At any rate, sounds like I enjoyed TLD more than you did ;%

Shady Tree

Necros's ballet kicks may have something to do with the fact that the actor was a professional dancer who can be seen prancing around in various naff eighties pop videos. But I think Necros's one-man assault on the Secret Service safe house is chilling and a definite highlight of TLD. The way Necros can impersonate different English accents as part of his subterfuge is strongly reminiscent of Grant. And Necros has the distinction of having, as his own, the last great character-based musical signature by John Barry in the Bond series - 'Necros Attacks'. The only truly unconvincing Necros moment is the one where the character, despite working for the mercenary Whitaker and the duplicitous Koskov, throws in a line about support for his comrades in Afghanistan who are still struggling for world revolution. That's laughably anomalous. Necros is supposed to be an ex-KGB mercenary. Either he's still a Commie or he's not: the writers seem, there, to want to have their cake and eat it too!

thesecretagent

I enjoyed TLD a great deal Loeffelholz - and the SAS are simply well trained soldiers who practise certain skills more than regular infantry and maintain high levels of fitness and endurance - they are still flesh, blood, completely fallable and as utterly vulnerable as anyone else. A lot of rubbish has been spoken of them in the past. The point I was making about Necros was that anyone at least half switched on would hear that tinny music in the otherwise quiet countryside and not get themselves garrotted. It was a great scene taking down everyone in the safehouse, it's just Necros the actor couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag and a week with a good instructor would have paid dividends to a rather pathetic performance.