Similarities in CR opening and QOS ending.

walther p99

Anyone else notice how CR's opening and QOS's ending share similiar elements. such as Bond wearing a peacoat, weapon drawn, waiting in a dark room for his target to arrive (dryden or yusef and his girlfriend)in a winter enviroment (only time in both films Bond is in a snowy enviroment) and then have them unexpectedly notice him, have a small talk and in CR's case Bond kills him (becuase he had to) but in QOS he lets him live becuase he has evolved and doesnt just kill without reason now. i just thought it was interesting how the films showing Bond's evolution into who he his now that spanned two films opened and ended with similiarities.

slinger

I had not thought of that but I like it.
Another reason to support that these 2 scenes show his evolution; in CR he is wearing a sweater and coat, more casual or more blunt, in QoS he's wearing a great suit and coat, or more finessed.

walther p99

slinger wrote:

I had not thought of that but I like it.
Another reason to support that these 2 scenes show his evolution; in CR he is is wearing a sweater and coat, more casual or more blunt, in QoS he's wearing a great suit and coat, or more finessed.

excellent point as well

Loeffelholz

An excellent observation, walther p99 {[] The fact that the two films are 'book-ended' in such a way cannot have been an accident (there are precious few such accidents in filmmaking), and the fact that it is subtle is telling as well, as the two phrases 'Bond films' and 'subtlety' are rarely ever in the same sentence---or even paragraph )

There is a clear arc to the character through these two films, and IMRO it lays a very structurally sound foundation for the future.

Mister White

It's a great way for Bond's character to come full circle.

Great observation Walther P99!{[]

shaken66

Maybe already addressed in another forum but speaking of the clothing evolution, how about the hair style evolution? Kind of punk and spikey in CR and longer and softer in QOS.

Thunderpussy

Some elements have evolved from CR but one which hasn't is Bond sartorial elegance, QOS Bond in a cardy " Good grief, What's Bond Doing!"

walther p99

shaken66 wrote:

Maybe already addressed in another forum but speaking of the clothing evolution, how about the hair style evolution? Kind of punk and spikey in CR and longer and softer in QOS.

yeah, i much prefer his QOS hair though, it reminded me of Connery.

Thunderpussy

After Seeing QOS I Was So Stunned And Not In The Good Way (Six Vespers),I've Never Watched It Again, But I have To Thank All The Members Here In Pointing Out The Similarties In The Opening Of CR and The Ending Of QOS.
Don't Get Me Wrong I Still Don't Like QOS,And Because I've Never Watched It Again I've Never Picked Up On The Similar Elements,But Now I Feel There Was Some Thinking Behind The Story Line and The Emergance Of Bond As A "OO"
Far From Simply Dismissing QOS As A Bad Bond Film Im Now Going To Give It A Second Chance Get The DVD And Really Watch It, Who Knows It Might Grow On Me. ( Apart From The Editing,Which is AWFUL) {[]

walther p99

Thunderpussy wrote:

After Seeing QOS I Was So Stunned And Not In The Good Way (Six Vespers),I've Never Watched It Again, But I have To Thank All The Members Here In Pointing Out The Similarties In The Opening Of CR and The Ending Of QOS.
Don't Get Me Wrong I Still Don't Like QOS,And Because I've Never Watched It Again I've Never Picked Up On The Similar Elements,But Now I Feel There Was Some Thinking Behind The Story Line and The Emergance Of Bond As A "OO"
Far From Simply Dismissing QOS As A Bad Bond Film Im Now Going To Give It A Second Chance Get The DVD And Really Watch It, Who Knows It Might Grow On Me. ( Apart From The Editing,Which is AWFUL) {[]

great! glad to hear your giviing it a second chance!

Mister White

Nice to see you'll give it another chance.

But apparently you never warmed to DAF either, so maybe you're going to have to let some of them go by without liking them.;)

Thunderpussy

Some Of The Bonds Could Of Been Made So Much Better, DAF Being One, But I Occasionally Still Watch It.All The Bonds Have Their Moments.
Even LTK When First Released I hated, Now It's One Of My Favorites So Theres Hope For QOS.

Mister White

I have high hopes then, because if there is any other Bond like QOS, it's LTK...:007)

Aston Martin DBS

For that matter does anyone think that the opening bars of You Know My Name and Another Way To Die are similar?

Agent Wade

Aston Martin DBS wrote:

For that matter does anyone think that the opening bars of You Know My Name and Another Way To Die are similar?

I noticed that the very first time I heard "Another Way to Die." I have seen the titles for Casino Royale that I would be daft to not recognize the similiarity between the openings. It's kind of like the beginnings of each Matrix movie where they are very much similar with only a key change note variance. While I'm not sure if the next Craig Bond picture will be a tie-in with the CR-QOS story or not, but it would be interesting to see if the song for the next movie again begins with a similar sound.

As for the original topic, most of what has been said I can fully agree with. I like how closely they mirror each other with only the turnout being different. CR sets up a man that could be Bond. QOS refines a man that is Bond. Execution of filming aside, I thought the story was brilliantly told. It was simple in all its complexity. I like it for that.

JimmyBond0129

slinger wrote:

I had not thought of that but I like it.
Another reason to support that these 2 scenes show his evolution; in CR he is wearing a sweater and coat, more casual or more blunt, in QoS he's wearing a great suit and coat, or more finessed.

That's a perfect example of symbolism, I think my favorite symbolism shot is of Bond throwing Vesper's Algerian love knot on the ground it was a great way of showing everybody that Bond was over Vesper's death without actually saying anything.