You Only Live Twice Vs. Goldfinger

I have recently ordered both movies from Amazon (still waiting) and will watch them both, though I must say I am starting to enjoy the old Bond compared to the new movies.

Which movie would you say was the better Bond movie?

Goldfinger stars the SMERSH Treasurer Goldfinger trying to blow up all the gold in Fort Knox so that his own gold would increase 10x, while You Only Live Twice was about some wacky character on an Island trying to start WW3 by injesting space rockets.

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  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,906Chief of Staff
    Actually, in the movie version, Goldfinger doesn't work for SMERSH--he's an independent who happens to be in cahoots with the Chinese because they supplied him with a nuclear bomb. Anyway, Goldfinger is the better film by a country mile: great villain, terrific plot, smooth performance by Connery, wonderful mixture of humor, suspense, and fantasy. YOLT has its moments and is great visually, but the plot is sheer nonsense and Connery sleep-walks through the role.
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  • zig zagzig zag EnglandPosts: 244MI6 Agent
    I totaly agree,hardyboy:007)
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Goldfinger is one of the all time great Bond films,and set the style for all the following movies.:007)
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  • thenoisydrumthenoisydrum Posts: 84MI6 Agent
    All the above posters are correct.
    Really absorb the brilliance of Goldfinger for a 1964 film and then watch just how quickly the standards dropped with YOLT
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited May 2009
    Hardyboy wrote:
    Actually, in the movie version, Goldfinger doesn't work for SMERSH--he's an independent who happens to be in cahoots with the Chinese because they supplied him with a nuclear bomb. Anyway, Goldfinger is the better film by a country mile: great villain, terrific plot, smooth performance by Connery, wonderful mixture of humor, suspense, and fantasy. YOLT has its moments and is great visually, but the plot is sheer nonsense and Connery sleep-walks through the role.
    I completely agree. :D YOLT does have some nice moments such as the chase/fight scene near the start and the magnetic lifting of the villains' car. It also has some pretty good dialogue, particularly in relation to Japanese women as well between Bond and Tanaka. Additionally it has Helga Brandt who is IMO among the sexiest henchwomen of all time. However, Connery's performance was relatively unimpressive by his standards, and the film doesn't feel as fresh or is as interesting as DN, GF or TB (the three previous Bond films which IMO most influenced YOLT.) It was arguably the weakest of the 60's Bond films by a long way and is the only 60's Bond film which IMO is not an essential Bond film. GF, on the other hand, is pure perfection. :D
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  • FatsnbulFatsnbul Prospect, KentuckyPosts: 79MI6 Agent
    I actually prefer YOLT. I guess there is one in every bunch.
  • thesecretagentthesecretagent CornwallPosts: 2,151MI6 Agent
    Camparing the two is interesting. Utterly insane, but ultimately interesting.
    If talking in film terms Goldfinger is one of the best. Possibly the best. (Don't check out my film favourite list - I never started/finished/bothered and it's botched) Whereas YOLT is saved from being the worst by Moonraker. Connery is too old, Felix is too brash (would they really have become friends? Felix is like a plodding ex-cop PI), Vegas is too trashy and Jill Ireland is a moose. Wint & Kidd are great entertainment, but hardly worthy adversaries, and Blofeld is practically a drag act - something the director must have thought towards the end when he gets him to dress up as a women and leave the casino. In all a load of rubbish with too much American garnish. I love going to America, and have very good American friends. But all that is sh*t about the states ended up in that film.
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  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    Whereas YOLT is saved from being the worst by Moonraker. Connery is too old, Felix is too brash (would they really have become friends? Felix is like a plodding ex-cop PI), Vegas is too trashy and Jill Ireland is a moose. Wint & Kidd are great entertainment, but hardly worthy adversaries, and Blofeld is practically a drag act - something the director must have thought towards the end when he gets him to dress up as a women and leave the casino. In all a load of rubbish with too much American garnish. I love going to America, and have very good American friends. But all that is sh*t about the states ended up in that film.
    Strange...I always thought that hollowed-out volcano was in Japan. And who is Jill Ireland? :p ;)
    Hilly...you old devil!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,861Chief of Staff
    Whereas YOLT is saved from being the worst by Moonraker. Connery is too old, Felix is too brash (would they really have become friends? Felix is like a plodding ex-cop PI), Vegas is too trashy and Jill Ireland is a moose. Wint & Kidd are great entertainment, but hardly worthy adversaries, and Blofeld is practically a drag act - something the director must have thought towards the end when he gets him to dress up as a women and leave the casino. In all a load of rubbish with too much American garnish. I love going to America, and have very good American friends. But all that is sh*t about the states ended up in that film.
    Strange...I always thought that hollowed-out volcano was in Japan. And who is Jill Ireland? :p ;)

    Jill Ireland was the actress wife of Charles Bronson, and appeared in several of his films. She was previously married to Man From UNCLE David McCallum.

    However, I do believe thesecretagent has got a little off-topic here and is clearly referring to DAF!
  • thesecretagentthesecretagent CornwallPosts: 2,151MI6 Agent
    Yes. I apoligise. I have completely strayed into madness and got the wrong fu**ing film! Ignore my rambling nonsense and swear I am a real bond fan and know my films almost as much as anyone else. But obviously not in this case. For the record YOLT is alright. DAF is cr*p!
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  • KissyLoverKissyLover AustraliaPosts: 139MI6 Agent
    I don't know if these 2 movies can be compared with each other. In fact I think it's pretty useless to compare any of the Bond movies with another.... interesting I suppose, but ultimately it's just a subjective exercise that makes for many words with some agreeing and some not agreeing with the various posters. They are in the end seperate exercises in escapism, made at different times and with different budgets. Anyway, enough rambling.

    I like both of these movies. YOLT for it's settings, the Toyota 2000, the main title song, the battle at the end and the lovely Japanese ladies.

    Goldfinger for it's excellent villan, great henchman, THE ICONIC Bond car of all, the excellent music score and iconic title song.....Shirley kicks ass big time with this song.

    In fact these 2 movies, along with Thinderball, have my favourite title songs of ALL TIME for Bond movies.
  • Golrush007Golrush007 South AfricaPosts: 3,421Quartermasters
    Hardyboy wrote:
    but the plot is sheer nonsense and Connery sleep-walks through the role.

    It is for these reasons that I rank YOLT at the bottom of my favourite Bond films list. But, like all Bond movies it is fun to watch. In my opinion, GF is far superior to YOLT. GF is fresh and exciting, whereas YOLT seems like an obligation to produce another Bond film and make it bigger than the one before.
  • Ilya KuryakinIlya Kuryakin Posts: 24MI6 Agent
    Hardyboy wrote:
    GF is fresh and exciting, whereas YOLT seems like an obligation to produce another Bond film and make it bigger than the one before.

    Indeed. Just like TSWLM. Another excercise in eager to please tedium. Even the much maligned MOONRAKER looks more impressive thirty years on. -{

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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Hardyboy wrote:
    GF is fresh and exciting, whereas YOLT seems like an obligation to produce another Bond film and make it bigger than the one before.
    Indeed. Just like TSWLM. Another excercise in eager to please tedium. Even the much maligned MOONRAKER looks more impressive thirty years on. -{

    The gorgeous Caroline Monroe excepted. {[]
    I don't agree about TSWLM at all. I think it was an incredible Bond film; the greatest ever non-Connery Bond film and the last great masterpiece IMO. It had a wonderful screenplay, a superb performance from Moore, great Bond girls, a wonderful classic villain and henchman, terrific action/chase/fight sequences, one of the very greatest PTSs of all time, a magnificent theme song and remains IMO the single best Bond film of the last 44 years. :D
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Ilya KuryakinIlya Kuryakin Posts: 24MI6 Agent
    You make a great case for TSWLM, Dan. Alas it dosen't float my boat at all.

    I'm Moore of a man who's last great outing was TMWTGG. I think when Harry went off to the big bad Walther PPK in The Sky the Bond films lost their defining edge between keeping their feet firmly on the ground and orbiting into outer space.

    Cinematically speaking that is. :)
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    That's perfectly reasonable. Great pun BTW. :D
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • regnifregnif Athens, GreecePosts: 1MI6 Agent
    KissyLover wrote:

    Goldfinger for it's excellent villan, great henchman, THE ICONIC Bond car of all, the excellent music score and iconic title song.....Shirley kicks ass big time with this song.

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    ..dont forget the iconic scene when the girl turns to gold..
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    regnif wrote:
    KissyLover wrote:
    Goldfinger for it's excellent villan, great henchman, THE ICONIC Bond car of all, the excellent music score and iconic title song.....Shirley kicks ass big time with this song.

    .
    ..dont forget the iconic scene when the girl turns to gold..
    Welcome to the best Bond site on the net regnif. {[] I hope you enjoy your stay here, and I must add what a BRILLIANT film to write about in your first post. :D
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • GrindelwaldGrindelwald Posts: 1,341MI6 Agent
    "Just like TSWLM"

    or AVTAK , TND , DAD etc...pick your poison :))
  • hegottheboothegottheboot USAPosts: 327MI6 Agent
    I don't really think either film is bad, but they are extremely different. The source material especially. However, the main difference is Roald Dahl's screenplay. This takes Bond into the otherworldly. Add in a tired Connery, new director Lewis Gilbert, and huge budgets-and you have slow moving YOLT. For example, Little Nellie looks so exciting, and we are left with Bond just pushing buttons-what happened to diving away from the S.P.E.C.T.R.E. helicopters on foot? Fleming's novel would have never been filmed as written-it was really not in the same realm.
    Goldfinger epitomizes everything that Bond became. This is probably the reason that I have started to grow tired of it-and the fact that it slys away from the fast paced world of Terrence Young. However both films are still filled with unforgettable moments-very special thanks to Ken Adam.
    This is an interesting comparison. Connery's era at both ends of the story spectrum. One refined and controlled-the other overblown and less focused. YOLT's saving grace its its vision and charm. This is what holds it above things like DAF.
  • blofeld#1blofeld#1 Posts: 118MI6 Agent
    GF is argueably the greatest bond film ever . But I like all of connery's films except DAF that just flat out sucked. Anyway, I rank Goldfinger really high in my list because ; it has a terrific plot, great villain , great bond girl, and the witty humour that every bond film needs.

    I don't like YOLT because ; it didn't have a very good bond girl, plot is terrible , and how blofeld was portrayed was bad.There still was some good parts though . Of course we get to see blofeld' s face 4 the first time. And the song is good . I think that is about it.
  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE is the most visually stunning James Bond film ever made. Freddie Young's cinematography and Ken Adams' set deceration was a match made in heaven. However, this film itself just seems like an exagerration of THUNDERBALL. Spectre went from a nearly plausiable, shadow orginization to a one so far-fetched it's too silly even for Bond. The same goes for the leader, Blofeld lost alot of his effect with Donald Pleasence's interpritation. Pleasence gave a fine performance as an cartoon eccentric villian but he just dosen't have the menace needed to be an effective Bond villian. Even worse Connery just looked bored at this point, he seems to go with rather sluggish pace of the film. The action sequences lacked tension, the only exception being the grand assault on Blofeld's volcano lair.

    I think GOLDFINGER is the superior film but mostly because of the first half. The first half of the film is very well put together thriller with a fine pace, save the distraction of Tilly Masterson when Bond persues Goldfinger in Geneva. Of course there is the casting of Gert Frobe as Auric Goldfinger. He is just electric on screen, not chewing up too much but calm, collected, and just plain brilliant. We can't forget about OddJob either, quiet and sinister and intensely loyal. However as we get to the secound half, the pace sort of starts to slide. The scenes at Auric Stud, save Goldfinger's fantastic speech, were rather tedious. Connery as Bond lost alot of the edge he had in just the first half of his film, he gets a bit too relaxed. The assault on Fort Knox and on the depository left much to be desired as well. I guess Pussy Galore manages to salvage much of the film but still, the faults are noticable.
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