I think another for FYEO, is at the beginning when Blofeld traps Bond in the helicopter. Instead of ridding himself of Bond once and for all by crashing the helicopter into a building or something, he waits until Bond takes control and kills him. I find it quite stupid of him.
Blofeld says as he lies in hell, "Hey every other person who f***** up their chance to kill Bond, I finally had the man and ready to kill, but instead of actually following through, I made a crappy pun, 'You are now flying in momote control airways Mr Bond!' And then I was thrown down a chimney. Ha ha ha!"
Good scene, but bad set up for it.
Blofeld really knew what he was doing however. Giving Bond a very hard time. It's obvious that he was treating Bond in much the same way as a cat would torment a mouse before finally eating it. Unfortunately for him he never anticipated that Bond would be able to disable the remote controls just before the crucial moment.
I think another for FYEO, is at the beginning when Blofeld traps Bond in the helicopter. Instead of ridding himself of Bond once and for all by crashing the helicopter into a building or something, he waits until Bond takes control and kills him. I find it quite stupid of him.
Blofeld says as he lies in hell, "Hey every other person who f***** up their chance to kill Bond, I finally had the man and ready to kill, but instead of actually following through, I made a crappy pun, 'You are now flying in momote control airways Mr Bond!' And then I was thrown down a chimney. Ha ha ha!"
Good scene, but bad set up for it.
Blofeld really knew what he was doing however. Giving Bond a very hard time. It's obvious that he was treating Bond in much the same way as a cat would torment a mouse before finally eating it. Unfortunately for him he never anticipated that Bond would be able to disable the remote controls just before the crucial moment.
And that is the classic Bond villian's mistake. They are so egocentric, that they perceieve they are invincible. They want to toy with Bond, when really they should just send a sniper. If they can find Bond, then they can kill Bond, it's as simple as that. But they want more, they want to dominate and destroy Bond's self-worth, grind him down and have him beg for mercy.
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With no offence and all due respect to Hardyboy, I still can't help but feel that some of this characteristic egocentricity must exist somewhere in the case I made previously about Goldfinger.
All Bond villains are naive and stupid and surely Goldfinger is no exception. Otherwise his Operation Grand Slam scheme would have been a spectacular success and the Bond movie series would have ended with his termination in the third installment.
Stupidest error by far has to be Helga's in "You Only Live Twice". She has Bond tied up in her cabin on the "Ning-Po" and can kill him and dispose of the body without anyone knowing. Instead, once he claims to be an industrial spy, she frees him, takes him to her aeroplane and then bales out, leaving him to crash. Why destroy a perfectly good aeroplane, create a spectacle that can be seen for miles around and still not be 100% sure that Bond is dead?
Why destroy a perfectly good aeroplane, create a spectacle that can be seen for miles around and still not be 100% sure that Bond is dead?
It's been a while since I saw YOLT, but perhaps she (and SPECTRE) wanted Bond to suffer. When he revealed himself to be a spy, she probably decided that a spectacular and painful death was more appropiate than merely killing him quietly and (relatively) painlessly.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
I think the biggest screw up goes to Mortner in AVTAK. Not only did he fail to kill Bond, he killed himself and Scarpine! Honestly, who lights dynamite in a zepplin?
As Bond is climbing up to st. Cyrils, one of the henchmen discovers his rope.
So what does he do?
A) Raise the alarm and let people know they are under attack?
Cut the rope.
C) Climb down himself and use his gun not to shoot, but to try and smash the pitons loose from the rocks.
Some real villain **** ups to be sure. Well I've given myself over a year to think about it, and I'm awarding the above post as the winner! Thanks for all the suggestions...I did have a good laugh at many of them.
Congratulations Mr White...
I still think there's some more out there from other films that we didn't include though. Although ever since trying (and failing) to watch QoS for the 2nd time (thinking maybe it's an acquired taste) I haven't wanted to watch a bond film for at least a year so I've forgotten them all!
Klebb the chambermaid with a gun on Bond. Needs him to hand over the Lektor first, then is only to kill him as goodbye. Just spent the last 20 minutes trying to kill him, just shoot! Then pick up the Lektor.
Similar when Jaws throws tracking device at Anya's feet, as if to say, go on pick it up while you have your gun on me. She should just shoot him - then pick it up.
Klebb the chambermaid with a gun on Bond. Needs him to hand over the Lektor first, then is only to kill him as goodbye. Just spent the last 20 minutes trying to kill him, just shoot! Then pick up the Lektor.
Similar when Jaws throws tracking device at Anya's feet, as if to say, go on pick it up while you have your gun on me. She should just shoot him - then pick it up.
The Klebb thing I don't mind. Standard villian movie logic. As for Anya, there no need to shoot Jaws since she would have killed someone in cold blood. She's a professional and wouldn't need to kill unless she is ordered or it's absolutely nessescary. What she should have done is ordered Jaws to kick it to her.
However none of this compares to Elliot Carver. He had the gun pointed at Bond and he simply talks about his escape plan. You can't even chaulk this up to movie logic, this was just stupid. He wasn't just about to pull the trigger or anything, he just talked and talked.
Wow! Where to start lol. There have been some fatal mistakes by pretty much all the Bond villains. You can argue that keeping Bond alive AT ALL to explain the plot to him is wrong, but hey, thats part of the fun. In terms of thinking "idiot!" when I watched them, I'm going to be controversial (sorry Mr Ricardo )
Grant ordering Bond to "put his hands back in his pockets" and opening the second attache case. He could have let Bond do it and THEN killed him but nooooo, he thought he knew better - still a terrific scene though
Goldfinger taking the gun off Bond (albeit for a second). He had his weapon trained on Bond and stupidly used it to gesture to the cockpit
In terms of, which one do I think is the most "improbable" - hard to say really.
Blofeld in YOLT comes to mind ("this is the price of failure Mr Bond") I know he was doing it to make a point but common! Talk about wasting a good opportunity.
Drax in Moonraker ("at least I shall have the pleasure of putting you out of my mysery")
JP in TND was a pretty obvious one
Maybe Alec in GE ("you know James, I was always better")
You could infact argue that SMERSH not killing Bond outright in the CR novel was a mistake. In the John Pearson JB "biography", a scenerio is set up where THAT very hitman attempts to kill Bond again in order to "correct his first mistake". What does he do? He fails AGAIN
Grant ordering Bond to "put his hands back in his pockets" and opening the second attache case. He could have let Bond do it and THEN killed him but nooooo, he thought he knew better - still a terrific scene though
That's not so dumb, Bond's show of eagerness was meant to indicate that he had a gun in the case, arousing Grant's suspicions so he would insist on opening it himself.
Grant ordering Bond to "put his hands back in his pockets" and opening the second attache case. He could have let Bond do it and THEN killed him but nooooo, he thought he knew better - still a terrific scene though
That's not so dumb, Bond's show of eagerness was meant to indicate that he had a gun in the case, arousing Grant's suspicions so he would insist on opening it himself.
Exactly. Bond wanted Grant to open that case. God I love that scene so much.
Grant ordering Bond to "put his hands back in his pockets" and opening the second attache case. He could have let Bond do it and THEN killed him but nooooo, he thought he knew better - still a terrific scene though
That's not so dumb, Bond's show of eagerness was meant to indicate that he had a gun in the case, arousing Grant's suspicions so he would insist on opening it himself.
Exactly. Bond wanted Grant to open that case. God I love that scene so much.
Ok I'll concede that one, but it was still a fatal mistake on Grant's part . I too love that scene, wouldn't film it that way nowadays as people would see it as too boring.
That's not so dumb, Bond's show of eagerness was meant to indicate that he had a gun in the case, arousing Grant's suspicions so he would insist on opening it himself.
Exactly. Bond wanted Grant to open that case. God I love that scene so much.
Ok I'll concede that one, but it was still a fatal mistake on Grant's part . I too love that scene, wouldn't film it that way nowadays as people would see it as too boring.
The scene I just can't believe is in Live and Let Die. Kananga has Bond at the end all tied up with Solitaire. Kananga can't stop smiling and being pleased that he's finally going to get rid of Bond. So, somehow (off screen) Kananga tells all of his guards and other people to leave the cave. I recall some were working on the drug operation as well. The one guard he keeps is Whisper! The guy no one can hear...
If it wasn't for these moments we'd of missed out on some of the great chase and action sequences.Other Movies also Have these same moments, Indiana Jones,Star wars even Jason Bourne. Since the Movies began Heros have been put in what at first seem to be inescapable traps or Events, Only to manage to get out of them either by some word play or daring fight or other.
In the the next Movie to Keep all the social realists happy on the forum the Villian could just shoot Bond at the PTS, It would keep costs down as It would only run about Eight minutes.
I would much rather have a Two hour Piece of entertainment,which I can forgive some rather dubious decisions of the villian if it leads to some fantastic stunt/action sequence. -{
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If it wasn't for these moments we'd of missed out on some of the great chase and action sequences.Other Movies also Have these same moments, Indiana Jones,Star wars even Jason Bourne. Since the Movies began Heros have been put in what at first seem to be inescapable traps or Events, Only to manage to get out of them either by some word play or daring fight or other.
In the the next Movie to Keep all the social realists happy on the forum the Villian could just shoot Bond at the PTS, It would keep costs down as It would only run about Eight minutes.
I would much rather have a Two hour Piece of entertainment,which I can forgive some rather dubious decisions of the villian if it leads to some fantastic stunt/action sequence. -{
"Let them get ashore...and them kill'em!" - Stromberg.
I mean, what was the guy thinking? 8-)
Let them get ashore? Why? If you're going to kill them then just get it done by your sea palace and then just throw their bodies in the ocean. Why blast them to kingdom come with machine guns from a ruddy great helicopter? Wouldn't that be somewhat more conspicuous?
Same with Han in Enter Dragon : Lee was totally trapped when those steel doors slammed down so why not just shoot him/gas him/drop some cobras on him right then and there ?
But noooo : he takes him outside where Bolo cuts his ropes around his wrists & and we know he's gonna go bananas against Han's guards once out of those ropes ) :v
"Let them get ashore...and them kill'em!" - Stromberg.
I think he didn't want to kill them on his own property. As it would immediately link him to the crime ?
Giving him a little wriggle room to say " it weren't me gov "
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
"Let them get ashore...and them kill'em!" - Stromberg.
I think he didn't want to kill them on his own property. As it would immediately link him to the crime ?
Giving him a little wriggle room to say " it weren't me gov "
But then again, he does have a trap door...with a shark in his elevator if anyone comes knocking.
He also didn't care about dispatching his personal assistant.
Pusshy, your argument was poked and it popped.
"Let them get ashore...and them kill'em!" - Stromberg.
I think he didn't want to kill them on his own property. As it would immediately link him to the crime ?
Giving him a little wriggle room to say " it weren't me gov "
Yes, that's what I always thought too. Stromberg's killing them, on neutral territory so to speak.
An interesting thread, by the way, petelangers.
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Ifr Bond was killed by the guy in the tree in MR , would that not appear suspicious...somehow I doubt "M" would believe a random hunting accident would've happened :v
Ifr Bond was killed by the guy in the tree in MR , would that not appear suspicious...somehow I doubt "M" would believe a random hunting accident would've happened :v
Not if Bond was hit by a bullet probably a 6.5mm from what looks like a steyr bolt action rifle on a pheasant shoot!!
Surely Wint and Kidd had the easiest chance to kill Bond. He was knocked out and all they had to do was put a bullet in his head, or if they didn't have a gun, smash his head in...ANYTHING! Instead they buried him alive with every chance of getting out of the situation. Thankfully DAF is full of daft plot holes so people tend to gloss over it.
I think the whole point of Wint and Kidd is that they are fond of thinking up elaborate ways to kill thier targets. Unfortunately they get too cocky in thier methods and this leads to thier downfall.
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Blofeld really knew what he was doing however. Giving Bond a very hard time. It's obvious that he was treating Bond in much the same way as a cat would torment a mouse before finally eating it. Unfortunately for him he never anticipated that Bond would be able to disable the remote controls just before the crucial moment.
And that is the classic Bond villian's mistake. They are so egocentric, that they perceieve they are invincible. They want to toy with Bond, when really they should just send a sniper. If they can find Bond, then they can kill Bond, it's as simple as that. But they want more, they want to dominate and destroy Bond's self-worth, grind him down and have him beg for mercy.
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All Bond villains are naive and stupid and surely Goldfinger is no exception. Otherwise his Operation Grand Slam scheme would have been a spectacular success and the Bond movie series would have ended with his termination in the third installment.
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Why didn't he get a gun instead to pick him and Stacey off instead of needlessly risking his own life?
As Bond is climbing up to st. Cyrils, one of the henchmen discovers his rope.
So what does he do?
A) Raise the alarm and let people know they are under attack?
Cut the rope.
C) Climb down himself and use his gun not to shoot, but to try and smash the pitons loose from the rocks.
Congratulations Mr White...
I still think there's some more out there from other films that we didn't include though. Although ever since trying (and failing) to watch QoS for the 2nd time (thinking maybe it's an acquired taste) I haven't wanted to watch a bond film for at least a year so I've forgotten them all!
Similar when Jaws throws tracking device at Anya's feet, as if to say, go on pick it up while you have your gun on me. She should just shoot him - then pick it up.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
The Klebb thing I don't mind. Standard villian movie logic. As for Anya, there no need to shoot Jaws since she would have killed someone in cold blood. She's a professional and wouldn't need to kill unless she is ordered or it's absolutely nessescary. What she should have done is ordered Jaws to kick it to her.
However none of this compares to Elliot Carver. He had the gun pointed at Bond and he simply talks about his escape plan. You can't even chaulk this up to movie logic, this was just stupid. He wasn't just about to pull the trigger or anything, he just talked and talked.
Grant ordering Bond to "put his hands back in his pockets" and opening the second attache case. He could have let Bond do it and THEN killed him but nooooo, he thought he knew better - still a terrific scene though
Goldfinger taking the gun off Bond (albeit for a second). He had his weapon trained on Bond and stupidly used it to gesture to the cockpit
In terms of, which one do I think is the most "improbable" - hard to say really.
Blofeld in YOLT comes to mind ("this is the price of failure Mr Bond") I know he was doing it to make a point but common! Talk about wasting a good opportunity.
Drax in Moonraker ("at least I shall have the pleasure of putting you out of my mysery")
JP in TND was a pretty obvious one
Maybe Alec in GE ("you know James, I was always better")
You could infact argue that SMERSH not killing Bond outright in the CR novel was a mistake. In the John Pearson JB "biography", a scenerio is set up where THAT very hitman attempts to kill Bond again in order to "correct his first mistake". What does he do? He fails AGAIN
That's not so dumb, Bond's show of eagerness was meant to indicate that he had a gun in the case, arousing Grant's suspicions so he would insist on opening it himself.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
Exactly. Bond wanted Grant to open that case. God I love that scene so much.
Ok I'll concede that one, but it was still a fatal mistake on Grant's part
Yes of course. Grant's greed costed him his life.
In the the next Movie to Keep all the social realists happy on the forum the Villian could just shoot Bond at the PTS, It would keep costs down as It would only run about Eight minutes.
I would much rather have a Two hour Piece of entertainment,which I can forgive some rather dubious decisions of the villian if it leads to some fantastic stunt/action sequence. -{
Exactly Thunderpussy
"Let them get ashore...and them kill'em!" - Stromberg.
I mean, what was the guy thinking? 8-)
Let them get ashore? Why? If you're going to kill them then just get it done by your sea palace and then just throw their bodies in the ocean. Why blast them to kingdom come with machine guns from a ruddy great helicopter? Wouldn't that be somewhat more conspicuous?
But noooo : he takes him outside where Bolo cuts his ropes around his wrists & and we know he's gonna go bananas against Han's guards once out of those ropes
I think he didn't want to kill them on his own property. As it would immediately link him to the crime ?
Giving him a little wriggle room to say " it weren't me gov "
He also didn't care about dispatching his personal assistant.
Pusshy, your argument was poked and it popped.
Side note: this could work in the political jokes thread for Trump.
Yes, that's what I always thought too. Stromberg's killing them, on neutral territory so to speak.
An interesting thread, by the way, petelangers.
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