Licence to Kill vs. GoldenEye

JimmyBond0129JimmyBond0129 United States Posts: 263MI6 Agent
in The James Bond Films
Which Bond film, do you prefer Timothy Dalton's last Bond film or Pierce Brosnan's first film Bond? I prefer Brosnan's first because it had a fun factor that Dalton's last Bond film lacked.
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  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    Two rather mediocre films. Both terribly generic for both their times but I am giving this one to LICENCE TO KILL because of Timothy Dalton and Robert Davi.
  • JimmyBond0129JimmyBond0129 United States Posts: 263MI6 Agent
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Two rather mediocre films. Both terribly generic for both their times but I am giving this one to LICENCE TO KILL because of Timothy Dalton and Robert Davi.

    What the hell are you talking about!? Licence to Kill may be mediocre but GoldenEye isn't because GE is a frickening masterpiece when compared to most of the films that followed it. (TND, TWINE & DAD)
    "I admire your courage, Miss?..." "Trench, Sylvia Trench."

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  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    JimmyBond0129 wrote:
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Two rather mediocre films. Both terribly generic for both their times but I am giving this one to LICENCE TO KILL because of Timothy Dalton and Robert Davi.

    What the hell are you talking about!? Licence to Kill may be mediocre but GoldenEye isn't because GE is a frickening masterpiece when compared to most of the films that followed it. (TND, TWINE & DAD)

    GE still isn't a good film despite what followed. At best, it's a decent run of the mill 90's action film that is Bond-lite. LICENCE TO KILL isn't much better either but at least it didn't have obnoxious dialogue, a cookie-cutter Bond, and a lame villian.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited August 2009
    Why aren't I surprised that I disagree with Rick on this? :v :))

    For me, it's GE all the way. I regard GE as a fantastic film, Bond or otherwise, and as the last truly great Bond film. It was also IMO the best Bond film since TSWLM. Brosnan (my second favourite Bond) was extraordinary and produced one of the all-time great Bond performances. The action scenes were magnificent. Alec was a superb villain. Xenia was arguably the greatest henchwoman of all time as well as one of the greatest villains of all time, Bond or otherwise. The screenplay, and much of the dialoge (not all but much of it) was fantastic. Xenia was glorious. Natalya was really good. Xenia was one of the the greatest female characters in the history of the Bond films. :x The fight scenes, particularly the climatic one, were wonderful. Xenia was a goddess.

    My only problem with it was the psychoalalysis; the "why are you like this?" on the beach, Alec's "does the vodka martinis drown out the screams of all the men you killed?" and M's horrible "misogynistic dinosaur" speech, a scene which I detest, and which led to the 'M's apartment' scene in CR; IMO one of the worst Bond scenes of all time. Psychoanalysis beagn in CR and was IMO its major flaw. Other than that, I think the film was a masterpiece.

    LTK is one of my least favourite Bond films (along with AVTAK, TLD, DAD and both Craig films.) Featuring one of the worst Bond performances of all time (although not quite as bad as Dalton's performance in TLD and Craig's performance in QOS), it was an example of horrible execution 'winning' over a fantastic concept. The concept was classically simple; Bond goes rogue to get revenge. I know that some people don't like this as they regard it as more Bourne-like than Bondian, but I think that, if done well, it can work. What let LTK down were three things; its lead actor (Dalton remains my least favourite Bond), its screenplay (messy, overly complicated and incompetent at parts) and its attempt to compete with some of the 80's more violent action films. Sanchez was a brilliant villain, Lupe was sexy, Pam Bouvier wasn't bad, there were a few good lines and the concept was of course fantastic. But with Dalton in the lead (Brosnan would have been awesome, as would Connery and Moore), and with its screenplay, LTK was IMO one of the worst Bond films of all time.
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  • j.bladesj.blades Currently? You must be joking?Posts: 530MI6 Agent
    im neither here nor there on this one, for some reason i just cant decide. i guess im just sitting on the fence. both excellent movies IMO. :))
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  • little nellylittle nelly London, EnglandPosts: 152MI6 Agent
    LTK all the way. A proper Bond film.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,484MI6 Agent
    GoldenEye took steps to have everything LTK didn't: a Cold War theme, femme fetales, gadgets galore, the Aston Martin DB5, a leading man who could do jokes, space-age stuff too.

    But it also lacked LTK's credible, scary villain and its straightforward, easy to follow plot.

    I enjoyed LTK more at the cinema when it came out than I did GE, which I found disappointing. But GE has more 'bumps' in it ie moments that are rewatchable, there's always something new coming along in it. Actually, I didn't find the exection in GE that satisfactory (and I'm not talking about Onatopp's thighs...) as the jokes in GE just arent as good as they should be.
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    How come nobody picked up on my continous mentioning of the beautiful Xenia? :v :))
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    A LTK guy - (only drawback, a terrible title track) - Despite this not feeling like a larger then life Bond, I have an affection for this unique little film.

    Plus I could watch Carey Lowell read the phone book for two hours and be happy. She, "Wasn't bad" Dan? If you say so kiddo! :o

    Dalton is my second or third favorite. Depending on mood.
  • j.bladesj.blades Currently? You must be joking?Posts: 530MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    How come nobody picked up on my continous mentioning of the beautiful Xenia? :v :))

    with you on that one, my favourite bond girl ever. -{
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    j.blades wrote:
    Dan Same wrote:
    How come nobody picked up on my continous mentioning of the beautiful Xenia? :v :))

    with you on that one, my favourite bond girl ever. -{
    :D :D :D She really was extraordinary, :x although I'm not sure that she was a Bond girl. :v
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • JimmyBond0129JimmyBond0129 United States Posts: 263MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    She really was extraordinary, although I'm not sure that she was a Bond girl.

    Xenia was a villainess like Fiona Volpe from Thunderball.
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited August 2009
    JimmyBond0129 wrote:
    Xenia was a villainess like Fiona Volpe from Thunderball.
    She was indeed, and as controversial as this may be, I have always preferred her to Fiona.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    JimmyBond0129 wrote:
    Xenia was a villainess like Fiona Volpe from Thunderball.
    She was indeed, and as controversial as this may be, I have alwasy preferred her to Fiona.

    *smack*
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    I found her cute as much as I find you the same, Robbie
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Dan Same wrote:
    JimmyBond0129 wrote:
    Xenia was a villainess like Fiona Volpe from Thunderball.
    She was indeed, and as controversial as this may be, I have alwasy preferred her to Fiona.

    *smack*
    I take it you don't approve? ;) Well, how about providing some arguments as to why you consider Fiona to be better instead of giving me a silly 'smack' response.

    Personally, I prefer Xenia as she was completely unique; gorgeous, strong, passionate, superbly acted with a kind of bloodlust, she was simply extraordinary.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • zebondzebond DolletPosts: 103MI6 Agent
    That's a toughie - Timothy Dalton is by far my favorite Bond, though I did find the material in GE to be far superior to LTK. I believe like I saw posted elsewhere, had Dalton helmed the role for GE we would've had one of the greatest Bond movies of all.
    That being said I do enjoy Brosnan's performance, and GE without question saved the franchise, (IMO) so I'm going to have to give this one to GE. Now had this been GE vs. TLD things would have to be different :)
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  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Dan Same wrote:
    She was indeed, and as controversial as this may be, I have alwasy preferred her to Fiona.

    *smack*
    I take it you don't approve? ;) Well, how about providing some arguments as to why you consider Fiona to be better instead of giving me a silly 'smack' response.

    Personally, I prefer Xenia as she was completely unique; gorgeous, strong, passionate, superbly acted with a kind of bloodlust, she was simply extraordinary.

    I wasn't being very serious Dan. :p Though I must admit Xenia I find just ludicris.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    I wasn't being very serious Dan. :p Though I must admit Xenia I find just ludicris.
    Sorry, it's rather early in the morning here. :# :))
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:

    Personally, I prefer Xenia as she was completely unique; gorgeous, strong, passionate, superbly acted with a kind of bloodlust, she was simply extraordinary.

    I have to agree with you here.

    But have you seen her in Nip/Tuck?

    If she was extraordinary in Goldeneye, she was gorgeous there.
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:
    I have to agree with you here.

    But have you seen her in Nip/Tuck?

    If she was extraordinary in Goldeneye, she was gorgeous there.
    Personally, I love Famke everywhere. :x I think she's one of the most beautiful women in the world. But yes, she was gorgeous in Nip/Tuck; although I wasn't particularly thrilled with one small detail. :v
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Mr. Arlington BeechMr. Arlington Beech Posts: 105MI6 Agent
    Goldeneye
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    Personally, I love Famke everywhere. :x I think she's one of the most beautiful women in the world. But yes, she was gorgeous in Nip/Tuck; although I wasn't particularly thrilled with one small detail. :v

    Tsss, nutpickers :p
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:
    Tsss, nutpickers :p
    :)) Good one. :D
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Mr. Arlington BeechMr. Arlington Beech Posts: 105MI6 Agent
    edited August 2009
    Goldeneye has one of the best lines of the series


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  • blofeld#1blofeld#1 Posts: 118MI6 Agent
    Well I don't like Tim Dalton's portrail of bond.So GE
  • thesecretagentthesecretagent CornwallPosts: 2,151MI6 Agent
    Goldeneye. Better plot, better cinematography, far more action scenes, better looking and better acting women, one of the best actors for Bond (sorry, but those in disagreement are just plain wrong...), a setting and timeframe that was up-to-the-minute - post cold war/emerging Russia, and above all a quality feel to the whole film.
    Don't get me wrong, unlike a lot of people here, I actually enjoy all Bond actors and films, but Goldeneye is the better film.
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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:
    I found her cute as much as I find you the same, Robbie

    My suspicions are confirmed :o
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    that's just a grumpey bitter man who has been recently rejected by me :D
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Alex wrote:
    Plus I could watch Carey Lowell read the phone book for two hours and be happy. She, "Wasn't bad" Dan? If you say so kiddo! :o
    First time I've been called kiddo in quite a while. :)) Yes, she was good looking, however I don't think she was as beautiful as Lupe and IMO she's not among the best looking Bond girls.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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