I thought Carey Lowell was rather plain looking when compared to the Bond girls of the Sixties and Seventies.
There hasn't been a great Bond girl in decades. Sorry, but Vesper needs to eat something.
You don't like Vesper? Me neither. As a matter of fact, she's one of my least favourite Bond girls.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
I thought Carey Lowell was rather plain looking when compared to the Bond girls of the Sixties and Seventies.
There hasn't been a great Bond girl in decades. Sorry, but Vesper needs to eat something.
You don't like Vesper? Me neither. As a matter of fact, she's one of my least favourite Bond girls.
The character as written was fine, alot stronger then the novel IMO, but I believe it was a case of a miscast. Eva Green felt like a girl in a women's role.
The character as written was fine, alot stronger then the novel IMO, but I believe it was a case of a miscast. Eva Green felt like a girl in a women's role.
My problem with her was that IMO she was horribly annoying and weak, and incredibly unattractive. When she killed herself, my only reaction was 'finally!' {[] I didn't like her at all.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
The character as written was fine, alot stronger then the novel IMO, but I believe it was a case of a miscast. Eva Green felt like a girl in a women's role.
My problem with her was that IMO she was horribly annoying and weak, and incredibly unattractive. When she killed herself, my only reaction was 'finally!' {[] I didn't like her at all.
I don't with her being particularly annoying or weak, I think a better actress would have done the part better justice.
The character as written was fine, alot stronger then the novel IMO, but I believe it was a case of a miscast. Eva Green felt like a girl in a women's role.
I've often wondered what Vesper Lynd would be like if she was played by Emily Blunt instead, but I guess we'll never know we'll we?
The character as written was fine, alot stronger then the novel IMO, but I believe it was a case of a miscast. Eva Green felt like a girl in a women's role.
I've often wondered what Vesper Lynd would be like if she was played by Emily Blunt instead, but I guess we'll never know we'll we?
We all know about the legal wranglings between the two films. But in 1991, there was supposed to see the release of the third film in Dalton's contract: The Property of a Lady (the central story-line of which was worked into the film of Octopussy). But did this film just "evolve" into Goldeneye, and we've seen the finished product, or is this a "lost film"? Alfonso Ruggiero Jr. and Michael G. Wilson wrote the script and pre-production work began in May 1990 for a '91 release. The dates slipped, and Dalton said in an '93 interview that Michael France was writing the script. As the eventual Jeffrey Caine-Bruce Ferstein script was based on France's story/ideas, this indicates the Property of a Lady material was dropped. Can anyone help me with this?
I am afraid I am not too familiar with Ms. Blunt's work.
Have you seen Charlie Wilson's War? Emily Blunt had a small role in that film, she was with Tom Hanks in his penthouse. According to Wikipedia Blunt is primarily known for her work in My Summer of Love and The Devil Wears Prada but I haven't seen either film...yet.
"I admire your courage, Miss?...""Trench, Sylvia Trench."
"I admire your luck, Mister?..." "Bond, James Bond."
We all know about the legal wranglings between the two films. But in 1991, there was supposed to see the release of the third film in Dalton's contract: The Property of a Lady (the central story-line of which was worked into the film of Octopussy). But did this film just "evolve" into Goldeneye, and we've seen the finished product, or is this a "lost film"? Alfonso Ruggiero Jr. and Michael G. Wilson wrote the script and pre-production work began in May 1990 for a '91 release. The dates slipped, and Dalton said in an '93 interview that Michael France was writing the script. As the eventual Jeffrey Caine-Bruce Ferstein script was based on France's story/ideas, this indicates the Property of a Lady material was dropped. Can anyone help me with this?
It was't suppose to be "Property of a Lady", that was just rumor. Mi6.co.uk had synopsis on this film actually. Here it is:
We all know about the legal wranglings between the two films. But in 1991, there was supposed to see the release of the third film in Dalton's contract: The Property of a Lady (the central story-line of which was worked into the film of Octopussy). But did this film just "evolve" into Goldeneye, and we've seen the finished product, or is this a "lost film"? Alfonso Ruggiero Jr. and Michael G. Wilson wrote the script and pre-production work began in May 1990 for a '91 release. The dates slipped, and Dalton said in an '93 interview that Michael France was writing the script. As the eventual Jeffrey Caine-Bruce Ferstein script was based on France's story/ideas, this indicates the Property of a Lady material was dropped. Can anyone help me with this?
It was't suppose to be "Property of a Lady", that was just rumor. Mi6.co.uk had synopsis on this film actually. Here it is:
I am afraid I am not too familiar with Ms. Blunt's work.
Have you seen Charlie Wilson's War? Emily Blunt had a small role in that film, she was with Tom Hanks in his penthouse. According to Wikipedia Blunt is primarily known for her work in My Summer of Love and The Devil Wears Prada but I haven't seen either film...yet.
Dalton was better than Brosnan. Licence to Kill was better than GoldenEye, and Robert Davi had the bad guy looks compared to Sean Beans fake scars on his face. I was and still am particularly fond of the Kenworthy truck scenes. Very impressive stunt work on the film too!
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Licence to Kill didn't have that cool scene where Bond was driving a tank through downtown Moscow though. Timothy Dalton's second Bond film just tried to build upon a torture scene in the Live and Let Die novel and it didn't pan out very well in my humble opinion.
If I had to choose between watching Leiter's torture scene on DVD or reading about it in a book I'd choose the book every time.
"I admire your courage, Miss?...""Trench, Sylvia Trench."
"I admire your luck, Mister?..." "Bond, James Bond."
Licence to Kill didn't have that cool scene where Bond was driving a tank through downtown Moscow.
That tank chase is so over rated, it became boring almost immediately after it began. Whenever I feel like watching GE, most of the time I just skip the whole scene. A tank chasing a car is such a dumb idea because tanks are big, cumbersome vechicles. They were not made for persuing. Give me the tanker truck sequence in Licence To Kill anyday because they were far more mobile vechiles and it was just far better directed action piece.
BTW it was St. Petersburg, not Moscow.
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Just leave the 'wheelie' out of the Loeff-edit of LTK I enjoyed the tank chase in GE; it's chock full of 'Bond Attitude,' but it's a natural point at which various camps of Bond fandom might part company...the 'Bela Lugosi' lighting of Brosnan's eyes, the tie-straightening...it was good for me---even the requisite use of the 'obvious dummy' in the car )
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That tank chase is so over rated, it became boring almost immediately after it began. A tank chasing a car is such a dumb idea because tanks are big, cumbersome vechicles. They were not made for persuing.
By the way it was St. Petersburg, not Moscow.
Oh right I keep forgetting that Bond was in St. Petersburg.
Come to think of it, you're absolutely correct a tank wasn't designed for persuing cars. However I seem to forget all about that when I'm watching the tank scene, maybe a well edited sequence could make you forget about reality for a while.
By the way Goldeneye may be your least favorite Bond film but at least it did a better job with the satellite death ray than Diamonds Are Forever.
"I admire your courage, Miss?...""Trench, Sylvia Trench."
"I admire your luck, Mister?..." "Bond, James Bond."
Just leave the 'wheelie' out of the Loeff-edit of LTK I enjoyed the tank chase in GE; it's chock full of 'Bond Attitude,' but it's a natural point at which various camps of Bond fandom might part company...the 'Bela Lugosi' lighting of Brosnan's eyes, the tie-straightening...it was good for me---even the requisite use of the 'obvious dummy' in the car )
I found the wheelie enjoyable camp harking back to the Moore era but with a bit of an edge. Really the whole tanker truck chase was terrifically planned out. Utilizing multiple vechicles was a brilliant move.
Everything in that GE tank chase was SO superficial Bond, aka, Brosnan moments. As a matter of fact since we are on this scene, I always found it ironic that Craig always gets crap for acting like some sort of latter day Rambo and yet look at GE and TND. Both films had Brosnan machine gunning people left and right Rambo style and at both finales, he is in millitary uniforms. Sadly Brosnan gets a pass just because he does "Bond things" like adjusting his tie (lame) and spouting corny one-liners. Oh yeah, and he is "tall, dark, and handsome". 8-)
Come to think of it, you're absolutely correct a tank wasn't designed for persuing cars. However I seem to forget all about that when I'm watching the tank scene, maybe a well edited sequence could make you forget about reality for a while.
Even with movie editing the whole thing came off as very flaccid. The whole thing should have been cut.
By the way Goldeneye may be your least favorite Bond film but at least it did a better job with the satellite death ray than Diamonds Are Forever.
The Goldeneye was a nuclear bomb, not a death ray. Anyway I much rather watch Diamonds Are Forever, I rather laugh then be bored.
Bond movies are supposed to be fun and a great escape from the real world for up to two hours. I like them all, some bette than others, but my hand is tipped to GE for this thread.
In many scenes Dalton just looked awkward and not very svelt. Although I could do without the tie straightening, I enjoyed GE much more than Daltons movie. It might also have been a collar adjustment since he was craning is neck around to see while driving the tank. If you wear a tie regularly with a slightly tight collar you'll know what I mean.
I always found it ironic that Craig always gets crap for acting like some sort of latter day Rambo and yet look at GE and TND. Both films had Brosnan machine gunning people left and right Rambo style and at both finales, he is in millitary uniforms. Sadly Brosnan gets a pass just because he does "Bond things" like adjusting his tie (lame) and spouting corny one-liners. Oh yeah, and he is "tall, dark, and handsome". 8-)
I don't know if I should get into this, but the reason why I forgive Bond's acting like Rambo in TND (not GE as I don't think that Bond acted like Rambo in that film) and not QOS is that IMO the two films had different realities, and I don't think that Bond's Rambo antics suited QOS's reality. Although I loved Brosnan's one-liners and I liked some of the Bondian things he did, those have nothing to do with my forgiving his antics in TND; which incidentally has never been among my favourite Bond films. Rather, I think the film had a reality which was not realist and was not necessarily based in the 'real world.' This may be compared to DAF, another film which IMO shared a similar reality to TND. I am not suggesting that TND's reality was better or worse than QOS's, just that it is different, and for me, Bond's antics in QOS were more pronounced, much more inappropiate and uglier.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
(not GE as I don't think that Bond acted like Rambo in that film).
I am talking about blasting away Russian soldiers with a machine gun when escaping from prision, the tank chase, and the finale at the cradle.
Regardless of what reality he occupies the comparison is still accurate, Rambo or a Chuck Norris flick, it still isn't Bond. The violence in Craig films are more brutal but he doesn't come off as a some sort of millitary killing machine, he trys to kill discreetly as possible. He kills like he is a spy and that is reality James Bond occupies. Dr.No and From Russia With Love had a simular reality as well, both films had some brutal killing though they had to be toned down because of the times. Oh and of course the books which had some REALLY nasty deaths, Live and Let Die had a fair share.
The violence in Craig films are more brutal but he doesn't come off as a some sort of millitary killing machine, he trys to kill discreetly as possible. He kills like he is a spy and that is reality James Bond occupies.
To me, the issue is not how many people Bond kills. I can't tell you how many people Bond killed in QOS, and if it was less than in TND, that wouldn't surprise me. My issue is with the reality; TND occupied, dare I say it, a more cartoonish reality (a word which I hate BTW and which I rarely use), and in it, I wasn't concerned at all by how many people Bond killed. TND is not one of my favourite Bond films, and one of my complaints with it is that it was a film which in some ways was more concerned with mere surface and which presented a cartoony Bond (last time I use that word ). QOS (and CR) promised to be more realist; it was set in the 'real world' where anything that occured in it could actually happen in real life. As such, Craig's Bond came across to me as a thug; an extremely ugly 'Rambo'-like figure (with all due respect to John Rambo himself) and was not somebody whom I cared for or empathised with.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
To me, the issue is not how many people Bond kills. I can't tell you how many people Bond killed in QOS, and if it was less than in TND, that wouldn't surprise me. My issue is with the reality; TND occupied, dare I say it, a more cartoonish reality (a word which I hate BTW and which I rarely use), and in it, I wasn't concerned at all by how many people Bond killed. TND is not one of my favourite Bond films, and one of my complaints with it is that it was a film which in some ways was more concerned with mere surface and which presented a cartoony Bond (last time I use that word ).
I agree it was a cartoonish reality and that style of Bond killing people in those films is like a Rambo film or a Chuck Norris film, machine gunning people left and right or plowing through a town in a tank.
As such, Craig's Bond came across to me as a thug; an extremely ugly 'Rambo'-like figure (with all due respect to John Rambo himself) and was not somebody whom I cared for or empathised with.
Craig's Bond is nothing like Rambo. John Rambo doesn't seduce woman, care about what he drinks, eats, where he sleeps, how he dresses, or dry humor. I also haven't seen Craig setting traps in the jungle like Rambo, wearing some millitary outfit, or shooting people left and right with an AK-47. Did you watch the new Rambo feature ? Craig, or his films, didn't even come close to that brutality.
To me, the issue is not how many people Bond kills. I can't tell you how many people Bond killed in QOS, and if it was less than in TND, that wouldn't surprise me. My issue is with the reality; TND occupied, dare I say it, a more cartoonish reality (a word which I hate BTW and which I rarely use), and in it, I wasn't concerned at all by how many people Bond killed. TND is not one of my favourite Bond films, and one of my complaints with it is that it was a film which in some ways was more concerned with mere surface and which presented a cartoony Bond (last time I use that word ).
I agree it was a cartoonish reality and that style of Bond killing people in those films is like a Rambo film or a Chuck Norris film, machine gunning people left and right or plowing through a town in a tank.
Certainly TND (not GE) was not what a Bond film should be IMO. That said, the fight scene at the party was fantastic and the remote-controlled car chase remains among my favourite car chases (and I'm not the world's biggest fan of car chases.)
As such, Craig's Bond came across to me as a thug; an extremely ugly 'Rambo'-like figure (with all due respect to John Rambo himself) and was not somebody whom I cared for or empathised with.
Craig's Bond is nothing like Rambo. John Rambo doesn't seduce woman, care about what he drinks, eats, where he sleeps, how he dresses, or dry humor. I also haven't seen Craig setting traps in the jungle like Rambo or wearing some millitary outfit. Did you watch the new Rambo feature ? Craig, or his films, didn't even come close to that brutality.
I actually have seen the new Rambo film; all of them in fact, and I've also read the original novel. It doesn't matter to me whether Craig cares about what he drinks etc... Rambo was not some kind of monster, and neither is Craig's Bond. However his violence, and his all-too willingness to use it, was ugly to me. I'm not talking about Bond's overall persona, I'm only speaking about the violence, although to be honest, Bond's overall persona in QOS wasn't particularly palatable either.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Certainly TND (not GE) was not what a Bond film should be IMO. That said, the fight scene at the party was fantastic and the remote-controlled car chase remains among my favourite car chases (and I'm not the world's biggest fan of car chases.)
TND and GE had a pretty simular style. One film was better then the other though.
Also I found that fight scene terrible. Bond was clearly beaten the crap out of and he just got up like he wasn't even touched and proceeded to kick ass and take numbers.
It doesn't matter to me whether Craig cares about what he drinks etc...
Why not ? His "man about town" persona is what makes him James Bond and not John Rambo.
Rambo was not some kind of monster, and neither is Craig's Bond. However his violence, and his all-too willingness to use it, was ugly to me. I'm not talking about Bond's overall persona, I'm only speaking about the violence, although to be honest, Bond's overall persona in QOS wasn't particularly palatable either.
I am not saying Rambo is a monster but he is a bit of a predator, unlike Craig. Also Craig's willingness to use violence is one of James Bond's traits, he is a trained killer so for him to brutally kill someone is going to come with the occupation and isn't un-expected.
Certainly TND (not GE) was not what a Bond film should be IMO. That said, the fight scene at the party was fantastic and the remote-controlled car chase remains among my favourite car chases (and I'm not the world's biggest fan of car chases.)
TND and GE had a pretty simular style. One film was better then the other though.
It doesn't matter to me whether Craig cares about what he drinks etc...
Why not ? His "man about town" persona is what makes him James Bond and not John Rambo.
Two reasons. From a narrow perspective, I was focusing only on the violence, but from a wider perspective I wasn't convinced of this "man about town" persona. I don't particuarly like CR, but IMO his "man about town" persona was much more pronounced in that film than in QOS.
Rambo was not some kind of monster, and neither is Craig's Bond. However his violence, and his all-too willingness to use it, was ugly to me. I'm not talking about Bond's overall persona, I'm only speaking about the violence, although to be honest, Bond's overall persona in QOS wasn't particularly palatable either.
I am not saying Rambo is a monster but he is a bit of a predator, unlike Craig. Also Craig's willingness to use violence is one of James Bond's traits, he is a trained killer so for him to brutally kill someone is going to come with the occupation and isn't un-expected.
No, it isn't unexpected, but the way he went about it was IMO incredibly ugly. QOS sets itself up as a realist film, yet there were times when I wanted James Bond being arrested and tried for the various murders and attempted murders. I'm sorry, but with the scene in the hotel room, I immediately ceased caring for Bond, and in a Bond film, I think it's the worst thing that can happen to the viewer. Truth be told, I've only seen the film once, however my experience of it was so horrific (it's now my least favourite Bond film) that I don't think I want to see it again.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Two reasons. From a narrow perspective, I was focusing only on the violence, but from a wider perspective I wasn't convinced of this "man about town" persona. I don't particuarly like CR, but IMO his "man about town" persona was much more pronounced in that film than in QOS.
It was emphasized a bit more in QOS but during the Casino parts of CR and the Ocean Club, it was there and very pronounced. I found Craig generally charming and witty.
No, it isn't unexpected, but the way he went about it was IMO incredibly ugly. QOS sets itself up as a realist film, yet there were times when I wanted James Bond being arrested and tried for the various murders and attempted murders. I'm sorry, but with the scene in the hotel room, I immediately ceased caring for Bond, and in a Bond film, I think it's the worst thing that can happen to the viewer. Truth be told, I've only seen the film once, however my experience of it was so horrific (it's now my least favourite Bond film) that I don't think I want to see it again.
I really didn't care much for the people he killed to be quite honest, they were all bad guys. Also what attempted murder do you speak of ?
I really didn't care much for the people he killed to be quite honest, they were all bad guys.
Well, in a less realist film I would agree with that. However in a film that was meant to take place in 'our world', I passionately disagree. I probably shouldn't go further with this as it might bring up one of the topics (politics) which should never be brought up on this site. Suffice to say, it made me uncomfortable.
The use of the term 'attempted murder' might be a little strong, although I will leave that to Bond's defence lawyer to ague, but nonetheless I was referring to when he threw the guy off the roof of the building.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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"I admire your luck, Mister?..." "Bond, James Bond."
There hasn't been a great Bond girl in decades. Sorry, but Vesper needs to eat something.
The character as written was fine, alot stronger then the novel IMO, but I believe it was a case of a miscast. Eva Green felt like a girl in a women's role.
I don't with her being particularly annoying or weak, I think a better actress would have done the part better justice.
I've often wondered what Vesper Lynd would be like if she was played by Emily Blunt instead, but I guess we'll never know we'll we?
Emily Blunt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EmilyBluntOrangeBritishAcademyFilmAwards07.jpg
"I admire your luck, Mister?..." "Bond, James Bond."
I am afraid I am not too familiar with Ms. Blunt's work.
The type of actress I envision could fit the mold of a 50's women but with the stronger characterization given in this film.
We all know about the legal wranglings between the two films. But in 1991, there was supposed to see the release of the third film in Dalton's contract: The Property of a Lady (the central story-line of which was worked into the film of Octopussy). But did this film just "evolve" into Goldeneye, and we've seen the finished product, or is this a "lost film"? Alfonso Ruggiero Jr. and Michael G. Wilson wrote the script and pre-production work began in May 1990 for a '91 release. The dates slipped, and Dalton said in an '93 interview that Michael France was writing the script. As the eventual Jeffrey Caine-Bruce Ferstein script was based on France's story/ideas, this indicates the Property of a Lady material was dropped. Can anyone help me with this?
Have you seen Charlie Wilson's War? Emily Blunt had a small role in that film, she was with Tom Hanks in his penthouse. According to Wikipedia Blunt is primarily known for her work in My Summer of Love and The Devil Wears Prada but I haven't seen either film...yet.
"I admire your luck, Mister?..." "Bond, James Bond."
It was't suppose to be "Property of a Lady", that was just rumor. Mi6.co.uk had synopsis on this film actually. Here it is:
http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/movies/bond17.php3?t=&s=articles
Thank you, that was very interesting.
No I haven't seen any of her films.
James Bond- Licence To Kill
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Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
If I had to choose between watching Leiter's torture scene on DVD or reading about it in a book I'd choose the book every time.
"I admire your luck, Mister?..." "Bond, James Bond."
That tank chase is so over rated, it became boring almost immediately after it began. Whenever I feel like watching GE, most of the time I just skip the whole scene. A tank chasing a car is such a dumb idea because tanks are big, cumbersome vechicles. They were not made for persuing. Give me the tanker truck sequence in Licence To Kill anyday because they were far more mobile vechiles and it was just far better directed action piece.
BTW it was St. Petersburg, not Moscow.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Oh right I keep forgetting that Bond was in St. Petersburg.
Come to think of it, you're absolutely correct a tank wasn't designed for persuing cars. However I seem to forget all about that when I'm watching the tank scene, maybe a well edited sequence could make you forget about reality for a while.
By the way Goldeneye may be your least favorite Bond film but at least it did a better job with the satellite death ray than Diamonds Are Forever.
"I admire your luck, Mister?..." "Bond, James Bond."
I found the wheelie enjoyable camp harking back to the Moore era but with a bit of an edge. Really the whole tanker truck chase was terrifically planned out. Utilizing multiple vechicles was a brilliant move.
Everything in that GE tank chase was SO superficial Bond, aka, Brosnan moments. As a matter of fact since we are on this scene, I always found it ironic that Craig always gets crap for acting like some sort of latter day Rambo and yet look at GE and TND. Both films had Brosnan machine gunning people left and right Rambo style and at both finales, he is in millitary uniforms. Sadly Brosnan gets a pass just because he does "Bond things" like adjusting his tie (lame) and spouting corny one-liners. Oh yeah, and he is "tall, dark, and handsome". 8-)
Even with movie editing the whole thing came off as very flaccid. The whole thing should have been cut.
The Goldeneye was a nuclear bomb, not a death ray. Anyway I much rather watch Diamonds Are Forever, I rather laugh then be bored.
In many scenes Dalton just looked awkward and not very svelt. Although I could do without the tie straightening, I enjoyed GE much more than Daltons movie. It might also have been a collar adjustment since he was craning is neck around to see while driving the tank. If you wear a tie regularly with a slightly tight collar you'll know what I mean.
I am talking about blasting away Russian soldiers with a machine gun when escaping from prision, the tank chase, and the finale at the cradle.
Regardless of what reality he occupies the comparison is still accurate, Rambo or a Chuck Norris flick, it still isn't Bond. The violence in Craig films are more brutal but he doesn't come off as a some sort of millitary killing machine, he trys to kill discreetly as possible. He kills like he is a spy and that is reality James Bond occupies. Dr.No and From Russia With Love had a simular reality as well, both films had some brutal killing though they had to be toned down because of the times. Oh and of course the books which had some REALLY nasty deaths, Live and Let Die had a fair share.
To me, the issue is not how many people Bond kills. I can't tell you how many people Bond killed in QOS, and if it was less than in TND, that wouldn't surprise me. My issue is with the reality; TND occupied, dare I say it, a more cartoonish reality (a word which I hate BTW and which I rarely use), and in it, I wasn't concerned at all by how many people Bond killed. TND is not one of my favourite Bond films, and one of my complaints with it is that it was a film which in some ways was more concerned with mere surface and which presented a cartoony Bond (last time I use that word
I agree it was a cartoonish reality and that style of Bond killing people in those films is like a Rambo film or a Chuck Norris film, machine gunning people left and right or plowing through a town in a tank.
Craig's Bond is nothing like Rambo. John Rambo doesn't seduce woman, care about what he drinks, eats, where he sleeps, how he dresses, or dry humor. I also haven't seen Craig setting traps in the jungle like Rambo, wearing some millitary outfit, or shooting people left and right with an AK-47. Did you watch the new Rambo feature ? Craig, or his films, didn't even come close to that brutality.
I actually have seen the new Rambo film; all of them in fact, and I've also read the original novel. It doesn't matter to me whether Craig cares about what he drinks etc... Rambo was not some kind of monster, and neither is Craig's Bond. However his violence, and his all-too willingness to use it, was ugly to me. I'm not talking about Bond's overall persona, I'm only speaking about the violence, although to be honest, Bond's overall persona in QOS wasn't particularly palatable either.
TND and GE had a pretty simular style. One film was better then the other though.
Also I found that fight scene terrible. Bond was clearly beaten the crap out of and he just got up like he wasn't even touched and proceeded to kick ass and take numbers.
Why not ? His "man about town" persona is what makes him James Bond and not John Rambo.
I am not saying Rambo is a monster but he is a bit of a predator, unlike Craig. Also Craig's willingness to use violence is one of James Bond's traits, he is a trained killer so for him to brutally kill someone is going to come with the occupation and isn't un-expected.
Two reasons. From a narrow perspective, I was focusing only on the violence, but from a wider perspective I wasn't convinced of this "man about town" persona. I don't particuarly like CR, but IMO his "man about town" persona was much more pronounced in that film than in QOS.
No, it isn't unexpected, but the way he went about it was IMO incredibly ugly. QOS sets itself up as a realist film, yet there were times when I wanted James Bond being arrested and tried for the various murders and attempted murders. I'm sorry, but with the scene in the hotel room, I immediately ceased caring for Bond, and in a Bond film, I think it's the worst thing that can happen to the viewer. Truth be told, I've only seen the film once, however my experience of it was so horrific (it's now my least favourite Bond film) that I don't think I want to see it again.
It was emphasized a bit more in QOS but during the Casino parts of CR and the Ocean Club, it was there and very pronounced. I found Craig generally charming and witty.
I really didn't care much for the people he killed to be quite honest, they were all bad guys. Also what attempted murder do you speak of ?
The use of the term 'attempted murder' might be a little strong, although I will leave that to Bond's defence lawyer to ague,