My candidate for the next Bond...

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Michael Fassbender
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Check him out in Inglorious Basterds. Tough, calm, and collected -- Connery style. Please someone at Sony look into this guy for Bond!
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    He's an interesting choice. I've seen him in a few films, and he's very talented, no doubt about it. Whether he could play Bond remains to be seen, however he is certainly among the most interesting of the possible Bonds. I note that while he is of German birth, he was raised in south west Ireland and his mother is from Northern Ireland, so in terms of nationality, he could work. Anyway welcome to the best Bond site on the net! {[]
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  • dr. evan-gelistdr. evan-gelist SheffieldPosts: 399MI6 Agent
    christian bale
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  • Alec 006Alec 006 Sydney, AustraliaPosts: 211MI6 Agent
    Christian Bale? No disrespect Evan, but you are having a laugh surely.

    Firstly all reports in the business say he is an absolute nightmare to work with, he makes Mariah Carey look easy going.

    Secondly the guy couldn't do "English" to save his life. Let's not forget James Bond the character is "terribly" English. {:)
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  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    Bale simply dosen't know how to be an appealing character by any means, he's always so grim and straight faced. He would be a terrible choice for Bond.


    As for this fellow, I have not seen in anything so I can't comment.
  • mrbondmrbond Posts: 296MI6 Agent
    Bit creepy
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,427MI6 Agent
    Fassbender is a good suggestion. When Craig quits Fassbender will be (give or take a few years) fourty. hopefully not too old.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    To me, the only legitimate knock against Bale is his reputation for being an ass on the set. That alone would probably disqualify him.
    Alec 006 wrote:
    Secondly the guy couldn't do "English" to save his life. Let's not forget James Bond the character is "terribly" English. {:)

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  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 917MI6 Agent
    Henry Cavill or Clive Standen could take over the role imo and both look the part or maybe even Rupert Penry-Jones he was great in spooks and amazing in 39 steps, I would be happy with any of these just as I currently am with DC.
  • Alec 006Alec 006 Sydney, AustraliaPosts: 211MI6 Agent
    Even given Batman Bale's heritage, I'd still find fault in his accent :v. After all I was born in Oxford and raised pissing distance from too many Royals for my egalitarian leanings :007)

    Also I seriously think the Batman cape will have already ruled him out as a Bond contender in the producer's books.
    Loeffelholz wrote:
    To me, the only legitimate knock against Bale is his reputation for being an ass on the set. That alone would probably disqualify him.
    Alec 006 wrote:
    Secondly the guy couldn't do "English" to save his life. Let's not forget James Bond the character is "terribly" English. {:)

    Where is Mr. Bale from, again...?
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    Oscar Wilde
  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    Alec 006 wrote:
    Also I seriously think the Batman cape will have already ruled him out as a Bond contender in the producer's books.

    Thankfully yes. EON usually wants actors with rather modest names in the US *cough*...Chris Hunnam...*cough*. :D
  • thesecretagentthesecretagent CornwallPosts: 2,151MI6 Agent
    I think you're hot for Chris Hunnam...
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Alec 006 wrote:
    Also I seriously think the Batman cape will have already ruled him out as a Bond contender in the producer's books.
    You're undoubtfully right. Plus, there was a time not so long ago when he was expected to play John Conner in a trilogy. If Terminator Salvation had worked out, he would have had two franchises. Yes, he could have done three (as Harrison Ford has done), however it would have been rather difficult to directly associate him with James Bond from a marketing perspective.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    edited August 2009
    Dan Same wrote:
    Alec 006 wrote:
    Also I seriously think the Batman cape will have already ruled him out as a Bond contender in the producer's books.
    You're undoubtfully right. Plus, there was a time not so long ago when he was expected to play John Conner in a trilogy. If Terminator Salvation had worked out, he would have had two franchises. Yes, he could have done three (as Harrison Ford has done), however it would have been rather difficult to directly associate him with James Bond from a marketing perspective.

    Ford usually plays himself in almost every movie he did so it's easier for him to bounce around another franchises. There is no tremendous difference between Jack Ryan, Han Solo, or Indiana Jones.

    Anyway, if Christian Bale would want to play Bond he would have to get out of the sourpuss attitude he has in every film he is and have some actual charisma. I really doubt he could pull it off.
  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    thesecretagent wrote:
    I think you're hot for Chris Hunnam...

    He really his the ideal canindate.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Ford usually plays himself in almost every movie he did so it's easier for him to bounce around another franchises. There is no tremendous difference between Jack Ryan, Han Solo, or Indiana Jones.
    Perhaps not, however having three successful franchises that are active at the same time (or in Ford's case, two) could still create problems.
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Anyway, if Christian Bale would want to play Bond he would have to get out of the sourpuss attitude he has in every film he is and have some actual charisma. I really doubt he could pull it off.
    I don't mind Bale. Although I didn't like him in TDK, I thought he was fantastic in Batman Begins, The Prestige and The Machinist, was fine in 3:10 to Yuma, was highly impressive in The New World, and was absolutely astonishing in American Psycho; IMO one of the greatest non-nominated performances of all time. I think he is a very good actor, however, I don't think he's as good as he thinks he is, and I don't want him to play Bond, regardless of any attitude he may have.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    Perhaps not, however having three successful franchises that are active at the same time (or in Ford's case, two) could still create problems.

    Yes like demanding an ass load of money from each. :))
    I don't mind Bale. Although I didn't like him in TDK, I thought he was fantastic in Batman Begins, The Prestige and The Machinist, was fine in 3:10 to Yuma, was highly impressive in The New World, and was absolutely astonishing in American Psycho; IMO one of the greatest non-nominated performances of all time. I think he is a very good actor, however, I don't think he's as good as he thinnks he is, and I don't want him to play Bond, regardless of any attitude he may have.

    I think he is limited in the sense that he can't break out from being grim but yes, he plays the parts he gets well. Just like Clint Eastwood is best playing rough and tumble tough guys and you could never see him as Bond either. ;)
  • DaltonFan1DaltonFan1 The West of IrelandPosts: 503MI6 Agent
    I think Christian should have got the part instead of DC simply because he is the finest actor of his generation, and for those who haven't realised he was born in England and his natural accent is still a fairly english one. He can put on a perfect American accent when needed so I'm sure the man from Bournemouth would produce a convincing accent for Bond. It is just a shame that a truly big name never seems to get the part of Bond.
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  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    edited August 2009
    DaltonFan1 wrote:
    I think Christian should have got the part instead of DC simply because he is the finest actor of his generation,

    Sorry but I disagree immensely. Daniel Craig is a far superior actor because he is alot more versatile.
    DaltonFan1 wrote:
    It is just a shame that a truly big name never seems to get the part of Bond.

    You mean ones that weren't big the US, Moore was pretty popular in the UK as the Saint. And honestly I don't see how it is a shame. MGM rejected Connery at first because they thought was too rough around the edges and he didn't have a name. Simular complaints were against Craig as well. Both men became the ideal Bonds.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    DaltonFan1 wrote:
    I think Christian should have got the part instead of DC simply because he is the finest actor of his generation,
    Sorry but I disagree immensely. Daniel Craig is a far superior actor because he is alot more versatile.
    I disagree with both of you. :)) I think that Bale is a superior actor to Craig, as well as being more versatile (Craig IMO is best as a character actor and doesn't impress me as a leading man, while Bale has shined in several vastly different roles). However I do not regard Bale as the finest actor of his generation; Leonardo DiCaprio, Colin Farrell, Jude Law and Ewan McGregor, among others, could surely give him a run for his money.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    DaltonFan1 wrote:
    I think Christian should have got the part instead of DC simply because he is the finest actor of his generation,
    Sorry but I disagree immensely. Daniel Craig is a far superior actor because he is alot more versatile.
    I disagree with both of you. :)) I think that Bale is a superior actor to Craig, as well as being more versatile (Craig IMO is best as a character actor and doesn't impress me as a leading man, while Bale has shined in several vastly different roles). However I do not regard Bale as the finest actor of his generation; Leonardo DiCaprio, Colin Farrell, Jude Law and Ewan McGregor, among others, could surely give him a run for his money.

    Being a character actor is a great asset. Very few are leading men are good characters. I definetly don't agree with any of the names you mention are good at both, except Ewan McGregor. Johnny Depp is a great example as well.

    And IMO Bale is not versatile at all. If he isn't a tough guy, he is someone else that is usually grim or maudlin.
  • DaltonFan1DaltonFan1 The West of IrelandPosts: 503MI6 Agent
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    DaltonFan1 wrote:
    I think Christian should have got the part instead of DC simply because he is the finest actor of his generation,

    Sorry but I disagree immensely. Daniel Craig is a far superior actor because he is alot more versatile.

    You don't really get much more versatile than Christian Bale: American Psycho, Rescue Dawn, both Batmans, Shaft(remake)....... he always excels. Whereas DC struggles to even make his Bond versatile, he's useless when he occasionally plays cheerful, and he does tend to speak too deliberately and too smugly for my liking
    DaltonFan1 wrote:
    It is just a shame that a truly big name never seems to get the part of Bond.

    You mean ones that weren't big the US, Moore was pretty popular in the UK as the Saint. And honestly I don't see how it is a shame. MGM rejected Connery at first because they thought was too rough around the edges and he didn't have a name. Simular complaints were against Craig as well. Both men became the ideal Bonds.

    I'm not denying that Connery was great for four films, and Craig was good in CR.
    I am merely bemoaning the fact that the likes of Morgan Freeman, Sean Penn, Al Pacino etc. have never been in a Bond film, and when we finally see an english actor as successful and brilliant as Bale, they ignore him in favour of a good but not great actor
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited September 2009
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Being a character actor is a great asset. Very few are leading men are good characters.
    I'm not syaing that it isn't; as far I'm concerned it's neither good or bad. I'm simply saying that I don't think Craig is all that versatile. His lack of versatility isn't simplys due to his not being a great leading man; I'm unconvinced that he can play numerous different characters.
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    I definetly don't agree with any of the names you mention are good at both, except Ewan McGregor.
    Being versatile is more than simply being a good lead a good character actor; it's about playing entirely different roles, at which IMO Criag is unconvincing. The actors I mentioned are IMO extremely versatile; they are also great actors anyway, as versatility IMO isn't the only measurement of a good actor. (For example, IMO De Niro was close to being the greatest actor of all time, if not the greatest, and he wasn't the most versatile actor of all time.)
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Johnny Depp is a great example as well.
    He's actually of a different generation, otherwise I would have mentioned Sean Penn, Brad Pitt, Russell Crowe, Javier Bardem and Edward Norton.
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    And IMO Bale is not versatile at all. If he isn't a tough guy, he is someone else that is usually grim or maudlin.
    American Psycho, Batman Begins, The Prestige and Shaft are completely different roles.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    I'm not syaing that it isn't; as far I'm concerned it's neither good or bad. I'm simply saying that I don't think Craig is all that versatile. His lack of versatility isn't simplys due to his not being a great leading man; I'm unconvinced that he can play numerous different characters.

    Sorry but I don't agree. His preformances in Road to Perdition, both Bond films, Arkangel, Defiance, and Layer Cake say otherwise. Not he is a great leading man and character actor, he is one the very rare in Hollywood today who come off as a true manly man.
    Being versatile is more than simply being a good lead a good character actor; it's about playing entirely different roles

    Buh ?
    The actors I mentioned are IMO extremely versatile; they are also great actors anyway, as versatility IMO isn't the only measurement of a good actor. (For example, IMO De Niro was close to being the greatest actor of all time, if not the greatest, and he wasn't the most versatile actor of all time.)

    It's very much an essential. That is why actors such as James Cagney (number #1) and Kirk Douglas are tops. Okay I'll admit Jude Law does something interesting once in a while but I hardly call him a great actor. Colin Farell is as limited as Bale, and Di Caprio is a good lead man but a horrid character actor. His accents are TERRIBLE.

    As for De Niro, he's a very good actor but pales in comparison to the likes of Cagney and Douglas.
    ]American Psycho, Batman Begins, The Prestige and Shaft are completely different roles.

    I didn't say he was the same character, I am saying they are usually of the nature of being rough, un-charasimatic, and lacking colour. That is why I feel he is a limited actor.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    ]Sorry but I don't agree. His preformances in Road to Perdition, both Bond films, Arkangel, Defiance, and Layer Cake say otherwise. Not he is a great leading man and character actor, he is one the very rare in Hollywood today who come off as a true manly man.
    He was great in Road to Perdition, however I don't think he was particularly good in the other films you mentioned (I haven't seen Arkangel.)
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Being versatile is more than simply being a good lead a good character actor; it's about playing entirely different roles

    Buh ?
    No comment.
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    It's very much an essential. That is why actors such as James Cagney (number #1) and Kirk Douglas are tops
    Firstly, I don't think that Cagney was all that versatile; he was to a degree, but people like Jimmy Stewart was much more versatile. Secondly, I don't regard Cagney or Douglas as the absolute best actors of all time (certainly not Douglas.) That said, I don't think it is an essential. It's important, no doubt, but I don't think it's the primary criteria of greatness.
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Okay I'll admit Jude Law does something interesting once in a while but I hardly call him a great actor.
    I think he is. Although he doesn't always make good choices, I think he's among the best actors of his generation.
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Colin Farell is as limited as Bale
    I don't think that Bale is all that limited. As for Farrel, I think he is a great actor. In Bruges is an example of his greatness.
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    and Di Caprio is a good lead man but a horrid character actor. His accents are TERRIBLE.
    I can't coment on his accents, and nor do they concern me. From What's Eating Gilbert Grape to The Quick and the Dead to Romeo + Juliet to Titanic, I think he has constantly produced terrific performances in all kinds of roles.
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    As for De Niro, he's a very good actor but pales in comparison to the likes of Cagney and Douglas.
    I strongly disagree. De Niro is IMO, along with Brando, one of the two best actors of all time. I wouldn't put Cagney in the top 5 (maybe the top 10) and I wouldn't put Douglas in the top 20.
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    I didn't say he was the same character, I am saying they are usually of the nature of being rough, un-charasimatic, and lacking colour. That is why I feel he is a limited actor.
    This is entirely subjective, and I disagree.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    No comment.

    I just didn't understand what you were saying. :p ;)
    Firstly, I don't think that Cagney was all that versatile; he was to a degree, but people like Jimmy Stewart was much more versatile. Secondly, I don't regard Cagney or Douglas as the absolute best actors of all time (certainly not Douglas.)

    Jimmy Stewart ????????? :s He is good lead man but versatile is the last word I would use.

    And you are dead wrong about Cagney and Douglas. Cagney could not only could act, he could fight, sing, and dance beautifully. That is an actor, period. Sometimes I can't believe the same man that did Yankee Doodle Dandy was also in White Heat. Douglas is not far off either. He commands the screen with being subtle as well as being postively enraged and it all comes natural to him.

    I can't coment on his accents, and nor do they concern me. From What's Eating Gilbert Grape to The Quick and the Dead to Romeo + Juliet to Titanic, I think eh constantly produced terrific performances in all kinds of roles.

    I think more servicable then terrific.
    I strongly disagree. De Niro is IMO, along with Brando, one of the two best actors of all time. I wouldn't put Cagney in the top 5 (maybe the top 10) and I wouldn't put Douglas in the top 20.

    Marlon Brando is certaintly terrific but once again, you are wrong about Cagney and Douglas.
    Dan Same wrote:
    This is entirely subjective, and I disagree.

    No not really. That generally sums up the characters he played because that is how they were written and I don't blame him for the way they turned out since that is what Bale is better at doing.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Firstly, I don't think that Cagney was all that versatile; he was to a degree, but people like Jimmy Stewart was much more versatile. Secondly, I don't regard Cagney or Douglas as the absolute best actors of all time (certainly not Douglas.)
    Jimmy Stewart ????????? :s
    Yes, Jimmy Stewart. What's wrong? Did I touch a nerve?
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    He is good lead man but versatile is the last word I would use.
    Westerns, thrillers, comedies, romances; he was extraordinarily versatile.
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    And you are dead wrong about Cagney and Douglas.
    You're dead wrong.
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Cagney could not only could act, he could fight, sing, and dance beautifully. That is an actor, period. Sometimes I can't believe the same man that did Yankee Doodle Dandy was also in White Heat.
    He was a fantastic actor, however I do not regard him as the greatest ever (or in the top 5.)
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Douglas is not far off either. He commands the screen with being subtle as well as being postively enraged and it all comes natural to him.
    He was capable of fantastic performances (such as in Paths of Glory), however I think that Michael is a much better actor.
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    I can't coment on his accents, and nor do they concern me. From What's Eating Gilbert Grape to The Quick and the Dead to Romeo + Juliet to Titanic, I think eh constantly produced terrific performances in all kinds of roles.
    I think more servicable then terrific.
    Fair enough.
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Marlon Brando is certaintly terrific but once again, you are wrong about Cagney and Douglas.
    No, you are.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Dan Same wrote:
    This is entirely subjective, and I disagree.

    No not really. That generally sums up the characters he played because that is how they were written and I don't blame him for the way they turned out since that is what Bale is better at doing.
    Actually it is. The qualities you listed were subjective qualities, and I didn't see them.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    You're dead wrong.

    :))

    He was capable of fantastic performances (such as in Paths of Glory), however I think that Michael is a much better actor.

    I like Micheal Douglas alot but I can't say he is better. He just dosen't have that raw energy like Daddy Douglas.
    No, you are.

    :))
  • Rick RobertsRick Roberts Posts: 536MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    Actually it is. The qualities you listed were subjective qualities,and I didn't see them.

    That's okay, you never see alot. :p
    Dan Same wrote:
    Westerns, thrillers, comedies, romances; he was extraordinarily versatile.

    Yes he was in a variety of films but I still don't think he was versatile.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    Dan Same wrote:
    You're dead wrong.

    :))
    No comment.

    He was capable of fantastic performances (such as in Paths of Glory), however I think that Michael is a much better actor.
    I like Micheal Douglas alot but I can't say he is better. He just dosen't have that raw energy like Daddy Douglas. I think he is fantastic and never fails to impress me. His performances in Wall Street, Wonderboys and Falling Down were IMO electrifying.
    Rick Roberts wrote:
    No, you are.

    :))
    No comment.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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