Nazi Bond Villain

mrbond

There should be a villain who wants to be a Nazi wannabe. I don't mean shooting millions of innocent Jews but someone who acts like he is God. A right nutter (with mustache?)!

Also Gert Frobe used to be a Nazi!

Hardyboy

In other words, you want an adaptation of John Gardner's Icebreaker? At any rate, I don't know: there seems to be a "Nazi-mania" in the movies lately, and I think it would be hackneyed and trite for the Bond producers to go this route.

As for Gert Frobe, remember he heroically and selflessly saved Jews during the Holocaust: that speaks volumes about the man he was.

Dan Same

Hardyboy wrote:

As for Gert Frobe, remember he heroically and selflessly saved Jews during the Holocaust: that speaks volumes about the man he was.

That's true, however interestingly enough, GF was temporarily banned in Israel when he admitted to having been a member of the Nazi Party.

mrbond

I knew that!

Rick Roberts

Such a tired subject really and dosen't need to be explored yet again. Lets keep it current.

Napoleon Plural

He can be a meglomaniac without going down the Nazi route. Which is a bit passe anyhow.

dr. evan-gelist

If anyones ever seen Force Ten From Navarone, then you will see it can work, having a Nazi Bond villain, or especially a Nazi sympathiser. Just imagine in Force Ten, Harrison Ford as Bond. Plus that film has Richard Kiel as the villain, aswell as actors like Robert Shaw, Barbara Bach and Edward Fox.

RJJB

dr. evan-gelist wrote:

If anyones ever seen Force Ten From Navarone, then you will see it can work, having a Nazi Bond villain, or especially a Nazi sympathiser. Just imagine in Force Ten, Harrison Ford as Bond. Plus that film has Richard Kiel as the villain, aswell as actors like Robert Shaw, Barbara Bach and Edward Fox.

Except Force Ten was a WWII movie. Nazis were relevant then. They no longer are. There have been plenty of stories about a reborn Reich in other media, so having it in a Bond movie would be tiresome. The world has changed, there are new evils. Not diminishing the importance of the Nazi movemnet in history, but any thematic ties to a Nazi movement belong to period piece movies, something James Bond definitely is not.

Silhouette Man

John Gardner's novels Icebreaker and SeaFire go down the neo-Nazi new Fuhrer route. I think that it would be fun to see one of these adapted, even if it is now all a bit trite. Go for it, I say. Do somethoing different - like a neo-Fascist in Italy or Spain. That's the Bond style.

always shaken

I dont know ,i just see any portrayal of Nazism in films seems to come across comical
Blues brothers is a good example ,i know it was a comedy ,but guys in Gestapo style
outfits and swasticas ,would MI6 realy get involved ?Lets leave the Nazis to their chapter in earths
history,also we must remember our German cousins ,have gone to great lengths to resign this
part of their history ,well away from todays German people,Iwould think people of Germany
would be horrified at that part of their past being used for entertainment,but as ive mentioned before
that is my opinon ,and this is why im glad to be a ajb member

Silhouette Man

always shaken wrote:

I dont know ,i just see any portrayal of Nazism in films seems to come across comical
Blues brothers is a good example ,i know it was a comedy ,but guys in Gestapo style
outfits and swasticas ,would MI6 realy get involved ?Lets leave the Nazis to their chapter in earths
history,also we must remember our German cousins ,have gone to great lengths to resign this
part of their history ,well away from todays German people,Iwould think people of Germany
would be horrified at that part of their past being used for entertainment,but as ive mentioned before
that is my opinon ,and this is why im glad to be a ajb member

Yes, I of course see your good point here, always shaken. Perhaps neo-Nazism is better left to thriller books and not to the film versions. I agree, everyone has their fair democratic say here at AJB, that's why we all love it. -{

BIG TAM

Alan Bates made quite a good, if under-used, Neo-Nazi villain in THE SUM OF ALL FEARS. In fact his set-up, dealing with co-horts via webcams seemed very new-SPECTRE in many ways.

No longer will any Bond villain organisation have to meet up in a Parisian hideaway. All the operatives can concoct their scurrilous plans in chatrooms! Or under cover of a seemingly innocuous fan website... )

Silhouette Man

BIG TAM wrote:

Alan Bates made quite a good, if under-used, Neo-Nazi villain in THE SUM OF ALL FEARS. In fact his set-up, dealing with co-horts via webcams seemed very new-SPECTRE in many ways.

No longer will any Bond villain organisation have to meet up in a Parisian hideaway. All the operatives can concoct their scurrilous plans in chatrooms! Or under cover of a seemingly innocuous fan website... )

Or alternatively during a performance of Tosca... )

Silhouette Man

I suppose that the Nazi revival is such a tired old thriller factory writers' idea, but it still generates titles on the Fourth Reich and a neo-Hitler, as can be seen in the book shelves of your local UK supermarket. So this suggests that tyhere may still be mileage in the Nazi/Fascist villain concept. See also John Gardner's SeaFire (1994) and Cold/Cold Fall (1996) - the latter book having a neo-Fascist General Brutus Clay trying to takle over the government of the United States in a Fascist coup. There are possibilities here if Eon are prepared to put the correct Bondian twist on things...

Napoleon Plural

Silhouette Man wrote:

I suppose that the Nazi revival is such a tired old thriller factory writers' idea, but it still generates titles on the Fourth Reich and a neo-Hitler, as can be seen in the book shelves of your local UK supermarket.

And that dodgy orange bookshop on Charing Cross road, where you might descend to the licensed sex shop basement.

Though to be fair, not sure which a gal might find more offputting in this day and age - an appetite for porn, or for Nazi memorabilia themes.

Silhouette Man

Napoleon Plural wrote:

Silhouette Man wrote:

I suppose that the Nazi revival is such a tired old thriller factory writers' idea, but it still generates titles on the Fourth Reich and a neo-Hitler, as can be seen in the book shelves of your local UK supermarket.

And that dodgy orange bookshop on Charing Cross road, where you might descend to the licensed sex shop basement.

Though to be fair, not sure which a gal might find more offputting in this day and age - an appetite for porn, or for Nazi memorabilia themes.

But you have to ask yourself, though, "Without the Nazis where would Channel 5 be?" )

always shaken

The idea of Bond going up against a Nazi organisation, for me wouldnt work
for one a Nazi party/organisation ,to legitamise their claim to votes /share of democraticaly
elected MPs would probably be registered ect and there fore everyone would (a) know of their existance
and (b) know where their HQ is hardley a job for M I 6 . The real threat would be by organisations
such as Mr Greenes mob as M says who are these people ,thats the real threat ,the unknown
so again for me ,no more Nazis please .now freemasons and their affiliated off shoots hmmmmmm

Grindelwald

"Brutus Clay"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-wZwnCsNEs

Disco Nazi

I always knew he was questionable , I wonder if goatface Daniel Bryan is a nazi too , after all he does use "Ride of Valkyries" as his theme )

Thunderbird 2

I partially disagree. - We live in a world where far right Fascism is still (unfortunately) alive and kicking. The BNP are a good example, they have held a legitimate political seat in the House of Commons in the past! That means someone somewhere voted for them.
Bond tackling a dangerous, fanatical politically motivated group in itself is not a bad idea, and is still relevant. It just needs to be done is a correct, intelligent and modern context. - The whole megalomaniac trying to re-write the world has been done enough though! - YOLT, DAF, TSWLM, MKR, TND, DAD....

Thunderpussy

I love the Nazis, AS Villains )
( Indy was always fighting them )
and agree the far right is always poping up somewhere.
"East, West just points on a compass" and we should get
villains from Both. )

Silhouette Man

Thunderbird 2 wrote:

I partially disagree. - We live in a world where far right Fascism is still (unfortunately) alive and kicking. The BNP are a good example, they have held a legitimate political seat in the House of Commons in the past! That means someone somewhere voted for them.
Bond tackling a dangerous, fanatical politically motivated group in itself is not a bad idea, and is still relevant. It just needs to be done is a correct, intelligent and modern context. - The whole megalomaniac trying to re-write the world has been done enough though! - YOLT, DAF, TSWLM, MKR, TND, DAD....

Well said. Mussolini's granddaughter (also a Mussolini by name) is still in the Italian Parliament and the remnants of the Fascist Party still exist in Italian politics. There are souvenir shops with Mussolini memorabilia - you can even lick the Duce's face on a lolly - imagine that happening in Germany with Hitler (!). I think a neo-Fascist in Italy would be the way to go (or some smaller Eastern European fascist satellite state) rather than the rather hackneyed Fourth Reich in Germany style plot. This was the type of stuff Raymond Benson used in his more realistic James Bond continuation novels (1997-2002) and I could see a (mythical) 2003 Bond novel set in Italy with neo-Fascists as the villains. I'd read it. It also fits with the gritty realism we're getting in the current Daniel Craig era, though I suppose that the Quantum organisation has taken its place in the modern world as an unseen threat.

AlphaOmegaSin

The Mission Impossible (Tv Series) had a couple of Episodes where the Storyline was about Neo Nazis attempting to build a Fourth Reich.

Thunderpussy

I think for the Next Bond. They could open on an American
football match ( Or similar event) where Quantum is holding
an "Open" meeting as in QOS. Only to be interrupted by a strange
voice saying something about "a changing of the Board " and have all
twenty or so delegates electrocuted in their "Designated " seats.
( an homage to the early Bond films )
Then above in a VIP box we'd on'y see in silhouette a man Rising from
a high backed chair,ans saying " Now for the British Project ".
( Hopefully, this will lead many to think Blofeld is Back ).
In England several months later, after several Terrorist attacks, a New
Political Party is on the rise, many MP's from other parties have defected to
them and they look on strong grounds to be the next Governement.
( Bond finds that These MPs are being blackmailed)
It's led By a charismatic Politican, a wounded veretran from Iraq.
Hugo Drax.
Bond is drawn in to Drax's world Because Drax cheats at Cards and M
wants Bond to put him right before It hurts Drax in the public Eyes, as To
the nation Drax is a Hero.
Of course Bond discovers Drax has planned all the terrosist attacks Himself
and Plans to Take over the UK, as Cromwell type Leader after closing Parliament.
Bond defeats him and his Plans But is Disgusted to Learn that The ruling powers
have decided to Tell the public nothing, and Hugo Drax will be burried as British
Hero, even Posthumously Knighed by the Queen.
So giving Bond his "Life lesson " he seems to need in every Film now.
Hugo Drax would be a Right wing Zelot, Hence his "Nazi " type Polotics.
Just My Two Cents. ( I've a bit of time on my Hands ). )