I guess I don't have a good answer for you. What did those "MI6 officers" drive?
Well they were posted in the Middle East, so it was a mixture of Land rover, Saab and Rover (although the Rover was a piece of cr*p - no ground clearance and kept breaking down.... not to mention the black leather interior - NOT good for a car in the heat, with the electric windows always breaking, and no air con )
Like tsa said their cars need to be practical and discreet with enough uuumph to get out of any problems. It's why the Aston Martin is a bit of a stretch - and what with Bond's reputation - I'm sure they would have started making him drive Skoda's by now ) )
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What are "J turns, handbrake turns or bootleg starts"? Also, if that is the case, why do "enthusiasts" always insist on rear-wheel drive?
A J turn is where you start in reverse, take it up to about twenty mph, then depress the clutch/select 1st/swing around 180 degrees, drop the clutch and drive off forwards.
A handbrake turn is where you ideally hit around 30 - 40mph, depress the clutch/pull the handbrake up/swing the wheel to take you either 90 or 180 degrees/select either 1st or second (depending how much speed you have lost) and carry forwards.
A bootleg start is where you are stationary and you select 1st/turn the wheel to the desired direction/drop the clutch with a lot of revs and the car swings around in an arch (much like a dog scratching its arse on the carpet!!). You are now in the opposite direction having turned in the car's own length.
Front wheel drive allows the drive to be maintained whilst the rear wheels can be locked up thus being a very free and easy set-up. You can carry out an evasive manouvre without 1) putting too much strain on the driveshaft of the vehical and 2) Creating a "push and pull" effect for extra manouvrebility.
Fourwheel drive saloons ie Audis/Subaru are good for fast powerslides where you literally swing the wheel at speeds of up to 70mph and slide around to face the other way.
Rearwheel drives can do most of the above, but lose a great deal of momentum and are quite difficult to be accurate. They are also prone to drive and suspension faults mid-way through the move.
For "enthusiasts" like track oriented drivers, or people racing through twisty roads, rear drive cars are traditionally more popular as they create oversteer (the rear swinging around) which is both fun to correct, and easier to control than an understeering (ploughing straight ahead) car through a high speed corner.
Worth noting though are the ever-progressing traction control set-ups in many new cars. Some can't be turned off at all so counter the evaisive driver's every move! Not the best scenario for someone trying to escape a hail of bullets... )
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What are "J turns, handbrake turns or bootleg starts"? Also, if that is the case, why do "enthusiasts" always insist on rear-wheel drive?
A J turn is where you start in reverse, take it up to about twenty mph, then depress the clutch/select 1st/swing around 180 degrees, drop the clutch and drive off forwards.
A handbrake turn is where you ideally hit around 30 - 40mph, depress the clutch/pull the handbrake up/swing the wheel to take you either 90 or 180 degrees/select either 1st or second (depending how much speed you have lost) and carry forwards.
A bootleg start is where you are stationary and you select 1st/turn the wheel to the desired direction/drop the clutch with a lot of revs and the car swings around in an arch (much like a dog scratching its arse on the carpet!!). You are now in the opposite direction having turned in the car's own length.
Front wheel drive allows the drive to be maintained whilst the rear wheels can be locked up thus being a very free and easy set-up. You can carry out an evasive manouvre without 1) putting too much strain on the driveshaft of the vehical and 2) Creating a "push and pull" effect for extra manouvrebility.
Fourwheel drive saloons ie Audis/Subaru are good for fast powerslides where you literally swing the wheel at speeds of up to 70mph and slide around to face the other way.
Rearwheel drives can do most of the above, but lose a great deal of momentum and are quite difficult to be accurate. They are also prone to drive and suspension faults mid-way through the move.
For "enthusiasts" like track oriented drivers, or people racing through twisty roads, rear drive cars are traditionally more popular as they create oversteer (the rear swinging around) which is both fun to correct, and easier to control than an understeering (ploughing straight ahead) car through a high speed corner.
Worth noting though are the ever-progressing traction control set-ups in many new cars. Some can't be turned off at all so counter the evaisive driver's every move! Not the best scenario for someone trying to escape a hail of bullets... )
Nice one TSA - one of the best summaries of basic evasive I've read.
Only thing I'd add in defense of the DBS is all evasive turns are susceptible to roll - where the car flips on it's roof.....not pretty if you've ever done it.
As Adam Kirley And the stunt team found out there arn't many safer more stable cars around (at least with so much hp!) than a DBS ( and a db9 in skirt and high heels as in this case!)
I am neither a gear head nor an ex-spy, but are you saying that a spy would generally prefer a front wheel drive or four wheel drive car? Also, why would ANYONE want to be in an SUV unless they were genuinely driving off-road? Aren't they the least maneuverable of vehicles due to their high center of gravity?
I am neither a gear head nor an ex-spy, but are you saying that a spy would generally prefer a front wheel drive or four wheel drive car? Also, why would ANYONE want to be in an SUV unless they were genuinely driving off-road? Aren't they the least maneuverable of vehicles due to their high center of gravity?
TSA explains it very clearly - front drive cars - "pullers" as they are called are always more flexible when it comes to non-standard driving techniques due to the balance they allow on the drive shaft during high torque manoeuvres - provided the driver can master the technique.
Otherwise "pushers" are just as good for evasive actions.
No what a spy always prefers is a full tank of gas... :v
I am neither a gear head nor an ex-spy, but are you saying that a spy would generally prefer a front wheel drive or four wheel drive car? Also, why would ANYONE want to be in an SUV unless they were genuinely driving off-road? Aren't they the least maneuverable of vehicles due to their high center of gravity?
In all honesty what we have here is real and makebelieve. As I mentioned in my post I drove MI5 officers for a short while. I did this undercover as part of my role in the army, and not as I would love to say, as an ex-spy. Real "spying" or surviellance takes place in things like kitted out vans. Tactically, the sort of saloon cars that go un-noticed (ie cheap and common so as not to look out of place) are conveniantly usually the set up to lend themselves best to evaisive driving - frontwheel drive. That said, I am merely a petrolhead now, and I have gone for a big-engined rear drive coupe. I can no longer imagine doing a handbrake turn, and if I did it would be in Sainsbury's car park with my two kids in the back - so it really is out of the question, and the car's too expensive for me to want to do it anyway!
We all want Bond in things like Aston Martins and Bentleys - but apart from a brief like the moonraker novel where he has to look succesful and rakish, these are useless to someone who should be going unseen. Exactly like walking into a bar and turning heads in expensive tailored tuxedoes and ordering complicated drinks. A real spy dresses down, orders a pint and waits for his contact near the exit hopefully un-noticed... But it's glamour and escapism we want, isn't it?
Suv's don't handle the same as a car - but some like the Range Rover Sport or the BMW X5 and X6 are just as good as many performance cars. I've done evaisive training in the old shape Range Rover Vogue and it was scary to say the least...
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I am neither a gear head nor an ex-spy, but are you saying that a spy would generally prefer a front wheel drive or four wheel drive car? Also, why would ANYONE want to be in an SUV unless they were genuinely driving off-road? Aren't they the least maneuverable of vehicles due to their high center of gravity?
Depends where they are based. The reason Landrover was used, is that the roads in Jordan are shocking - pot holes galore 20 miles out of any of the major cities - and motorways don't really exist (well, as we know them ) ) Off roading was common - and the desert is the backdrop so yes, Landrover was very suitable - and necessary.
It's not all about fast car chases - surveillance is a big part of their duty - and you need the car to match the terrain
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In reality he'd drive whatever was available from the car pool ( don't know why they park them there ) so in the uk I'm guessing alot of Mondeos and vectras. If the movies are to be believed Bond would first have to clean out all the old crisp and sweet packets, disgarded burger boxes and bottles of wee. Oh how Glamourous the life in the security services must be. )
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Now you guys ave gotten far from the idea I was trying to get at. Fleming's novels were escapist no doubt, Bond had aspects of reality interspersed with improbability, that was the art of "willing suspension of disbelief". The issue with the proposed cars I protested against was not that that they were "unrealistic" or mechanically unsatisfactory, but that they in no way captured the spirit of Fleming's hero's choice, a re-built used high-end car with new coachwork.
I guess were I to be forced to choose, I would say the modern day Bond would get closest to his literary counterpart if he drove a 2004 Bentley Continental GT or a ten-year old Aston Martin.
Now you guys ave gotten far from the idea I was trying to get at. Fleming's novels were escapist no doubt, Bond had aspects of reality interspersed with improbability, that was the art of "willing suspension of disbelief". The issue with the proposed cars I protested against was not that that they were "unrealistic" or mechanically unsatisfactory, but that they in no way captured the spirit of Fleming's hero's choice, a re-built used high-end car with new coachwork.
I guess were I to be forced to choose, I would say the modern day Bond would get closest to his literary counterpart if he drove a 2004 Bentley Continental GT or a ten-year old Aston Martin.
It seems like you just want a modified used car and not something brand new. I was hoping you didn't think Bond should be driving around in a version of the crappy blue Chevy Nova! Or course, that character also managed to get a Ferrari in the sequel and it's funny what happens to it. Anyway, the way governments throw around money these days a new car would be reasonable to me in Bond's world. Or maybe a used modified car like the DB9 Sportmodificato which is actually for sale. Strange that someone would sale a car they had personalized for them...I like the color of the DBS in Quantum but wish the car was a bit smaller like the original DB5 and current Vantage. If I were Bond, I would get a custom job from Aston Martin.
Oh and every Bond fan should try those techniques TheSecretAgent mentioned. Very fun and useful driving tips. Might as well add in the bootleg turn with the bootleg start (something I actually learned on a motorcycle at first). I would add that racing drivers find the power at the rear wheels and steering at the front a more pure racing experience. I learned on front wheel drive in all sorts of conditions but prefer rear wheel. I just like the push from the back better than the pull from the front. But front or four wheel drive would be better in various hazardous conditions.
I'm really happy with Casino Royale's invention that Bond won the Aston Martin DB5 in a poker game. It fits the tone of the character, and explains why a humble civil servant has the most beautiful car featured in the 007 franchise, IMO.
No, fiddling around under the oily bonnet of an old classic doesn't really tie-in with Craig's Bond's fashion parade. You wouldn't want to get grease on those Sunspell polos or Tom Ford jackets...
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I'm pretty sure Aston Martin's Works Service will do custom jobs. They did one with a DB9.
I don't like the idea of what would Bond drive in "real life" (or our life I guess) so much because Bond's world is slightly skewed so Bond can exist in it. Just like how Crockett and Tubbs can drive a Ferrari, Batman the Batmobile, etc. So, I think the DB5, Lotus Esprit, and DBS are perfect for Bond's world.
Hey! Don't forget FAB 1 from Thunderbirds, B A Baracas's van from the A Team, or the original KITT form Knight Rider!
Personally, I see Bond in a "real world" sense, behind an MG TF convertable. (There are a few of them buzzing about in Bristol) Sporty, without being flashy and let's face it, would MI6 really fork out ofr a state of the art designer Aston Martin?
Thankfully as you say SilentSpy, Bond is not reality, so we don't have to worry, and can enjoy all his toys! - I am thinking of not just the Aston's and The Lotus's. but Little Nellie too.
I was sick to my stomach about the exclusive designer wardrobe though.
This is Thunderbird 2, how can I be of assistance?
let's face it, would MI6 really fork out ofr a state of the art designer Aston Martin?
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It made perfect sense as part of his cover in Casino Royale. As for the Aston in Quantum's opening credits... I like to imagine that it was Mr. White's car, and Bond helped himself to it.
As a middle-senior ranking Civil Servant with a small private income he would probably drive a Jaguar XF,or possibly even a new XJ when 'on his own Dime.
Just got my new car today - traded in the M3 for a BMW M5 with 507bhp, 0-60mph in 4.6 and 155 with a potential for 204mph if you take off the limiter. Already had 164mph (DON'T TELL!) so don't know how good these limiters BMW fit really are!! Bond probably wouldn't drive one but I don't care. BLOODY AWSOME!!!
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Just got my new car today - traded in the M3 for a BMW M5 with 507bhp, 0-60mph in 4.6 and 155 with a potential for 204mph if you take off the limiter. Already had 164mph (DON'T TELL!) so don't know how good these limiters BMW fit really are!! Bond probably wouldn't drive one but I don't care. BLOODY AWSOME!!!
Now that's a motor TSA.... I liked ur M3 but the M5 is a great upgrade...
Btw the 164 is probably 155 with usual speedo error 5% so the limiter is probably doing it's job.
Trying to post one, but something wrong with post image. Will try again soon.
BTW - dark blue.
She sounds amezin as a buddy of mine would say...
Pics ..... 8-)
Will do in due course. I seem to have a problem with post image - can't get anything when i click the add image bar. X-(
Actually realised today in the bright sunshine that it is dark blue with a purple to it in bright light. Gorgeous! Getting used to the power settings and paddle shift now. Standard 400bhp feels and sounds like a Mustang. M button with 507bhp turns it into a Ferrari!
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I do think Bond would drive a decent classic in real life. Something with individuality and class. I don't see him in anything much over £40k in money, he's on a civil servant salary after all. If he's on say £60k a year he'd easily afford something around that either from a few years savings or finance. Much more and he would be paying for something he'd hardly use.
He has no family or kids etc so he doesn't need a saloon. A coupe/GT or a convertible.
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Well they were posted in the Middle East, so it was a mixture of Land rover, Saab and Rover (although the Rover was a piece of cr*p - no ground clearance and kept breaking down.... not to mention the black leather interior - NOT good for a car in the heat, with the electric windows always breaking, and no air con
Like tsa said their cars need to be practical and discreet with enough uuumph to get out of any problems. It's why the Aston Martin is a bit of a stretch - and what with Bond's reputation - I'm sure they would have started making him drive Skoda's by now
A J turn is where you start in reverse, take it up to about twenty mph, then depress the clutch/select 1st/swing around 180 degrees, drop the clutch and drive off forwards.
A handbrake turn is where you ideally hit around 30 - 40mph, depress the clutch/pull the handbrake up/swing the wheel to take you either 90 or 180 degrees/select either 1st or second (depending how much speed you have lost) and carry forwards.
A bootleg start is where you are stationary and you select 1st/turn the wheel to the desired direction/drop the clutch with a lot of revs and the car swings around in an arch (much like a dog scratching its arse on the carpet!!). You are now in the opposite direction having turned in the car's own length.
Front wheel drive allows the drive to be maintained whilst the rear wheels can be locked up thus being a very free and easy set-up. You can carry out an evasive manouvre without 1) putting too much strain on the driveshaft of the vehical and 2) Creating a "push and pull" effect for extra manouvrebility.
Fourwheel drive saloons ie Audis/Subaru are good for fast powerslides where you literally swing the wheel at speeds of up to 70mph and slide around to face the other way.
Rearwheel drives can do most of the above, but lose a great deal of momentum and are quite difficult to be accurate. They are also prone to drive and suspension faults mid-way through the move.
For "enthusiasts" like track oriented drivers, or people racing through twisty roads, rear drive cars are traditionally more popular as they create oversteer (the rear swinging around) which is both fun to correct, and easier to control than an understeering (ploughing straight ahead) car through a high speed corner.
Worth noting though are the ever-progressing traction control set-ups in many new cars. Some can't be turned off at all so counter the evaisive driver's every move! Not the best scenario for someone trying to escape a hail of bullets...
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Nice one TSA - one of the best summaries of basic evasive I've read.
Only thing I'd add in defense of the DBS is all evasive turns are susceptible to roll - where the car flips on it's roof.....not pretty if you've ever done it.
As Adam Kirley And the stunt team found out there arn't many safer more stable cars around (at least with so much hp!) than a DBS ( and a db9 in skirt and high heels as in this case!)
My fav review of the crash with great pics ....
http://my.is/forums/f104/post-crash-pics-casino-royale-aston-martin-dbs-322952/
I know what id rather drive if faced by a hail of beauties..... -{
TSA explains it very clearly - front drive cars - "pullers" as they are called are always more flexible when it comes to non-standard driving techniques due to the balance they allow on the drive shaft during high torque manoeuvres - provided the driver can master the technique.
Otherwise "pushers" are just as good for evasive actions.
No what a spy always prefers is a full tank of gas... :v
In all honesty what we have here is real and makebelieve. As I mentioned in my post I drove MI5 officers for a short while. I did this undercover as part of my role in the army, and not as I would love to say, as an ex-spy. Real "spying" or surviellance takes place in things like kitted out vans. Tactically, the sort of saloon cars that go un-noticed (ie cheap and common so as not to look out of place) are conveniantly usually the set up to lend themselves best to evaisive driving - frontwheel drive. That said, I am merely a petrolhead now, and I have gone for a big-engined rear drive coupe. I can no longer imagine doing a handbrake turn, and if I did it would be in Sainsbury's car park with my two kids in the back - so it really is out of the question, and the car's too expensive for me to want to do it anyway!
We all want Bond in things like Aston Martins and Bentleys - but apart from a brief like the moonraker novel where he has to look succesful and rakish, these are useless to someone who should be going unseen. Exactly like walking into a bar and turning heads in expensive tailored tuxedoes and ordering complicated drinks. A real spy dresses down, orders a pint and waits for his contact near the exit hopefully un-noticed... But it's glamour and escapism we want, isn't it?
Suv's don't handle the same as a car - but some like the Range Rover Sport or the BMW X5 and X6 are just as good as many performance cars. I've done evaisive training in the old shape Range Rover Vogue and it was scary to say the least...
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Depends where they are based. The reason Landrover was used, is that the roads in Jordan are shocking - pot holes galore 20 miles out of any of the major cities - and motorways don't really exist (well, as we know them
It's not all about fast car chases - surveillance is a big part of their duty - and you need the car to match the terrain
I guess were I to be forced to choose, I would say the modern day Bond would get closest to his literary counterpart if he drove a 2004 Bentley Continental GT or a ten-year old Aston Martin.
Sounds like we should add another petrolhead favourite to our list of evasive manoeuvres ......
The donut.... 8-)
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As I said, a ten year old Aston Martin
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It seems like you just want a modified used car and not something brand new. I was hoping you didn't think Bond should be driving around in a version of the crappy blue Chevy Nova! Or course, that character also managed to get a Ferrari in the sequel and it's funny what happens to it. Anyway, the way governments throw around money these days a new car would be reasonable to me in Bond's world. Or maybe a used modified car like the DB9 Sportmodificato which is actually for sale. Strange that someone would sale a car they had personalized for them...I like the color of the DBS in Quantum but wish the car was a bit smaller like the original DB5 and current Vantage. If I were Bond, I would get a custom job from Aston Martin.
Oh and every Bond fan should try those techniques TheSecretAgent mentioned. Very fun and useful driving tips. Might as well add in the bootleg turn with the bootleg start (something I actually learned on a motorcycle at first). I would add that racing drivers find the power at the rear wheels and steering at the front a more pure racing experience. I learned on front wheel drive in all sorts of conditions but prefer rear wheel. I just like the push from the back better than the pull from the front. But front or four wheel drive would be better in various hazardous conditions.
I really hope we see it again.
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Crappy? I was going to suggest a Moskvitch 412!
Hey! Don't forget FAB 1 from Thunderbirds, B A Baracas's van from the A Team, or the original KITT form Knight Rider!
Personally, I see Bond in a "real world" sense, behind an MG TF convertable. (There are a few of them buzzing about in Bristol) Sporty, without being flashy and let's face it, would MI6 really fork out ofr a state of the art designer Aston Martin?
Thankfully as you say SilentSpy, Bond is not reality, so we don't have to worry, and can enjoy all his toys! - I am thinking of not just the Aston's and The Lotus's. but Little Nellie too.
I was sick to my stomach about the exclusive designer wardrobe though.
It made perfect sense as part of his cover in Casino Royale. As for the Aston in Quantum's opening credits... I like to imagine that it was Mr. White's car, and Bond helped himself to it.
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Now that's a motor TSA.... I liked ur M3 but the M5 is a great upgrade...
Btw the 164 is probably 155 with usual speedo error 5% so the limiter is probably doing it's job.
What colour ?
How about pics?
BTW - dark blue.
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She sounds amezin as a buddy of mine would say...
Pics ..... 8-)
http://youtu.be/jC7f1OKQ78M
Will do in due course. I seem to have a problem with post image - can't get anything when i click the add image bar. X-(
Actually realised today in the bright sunshine that it is dark blue with a purple to it in bright light. Gorgeous! Getting used to the power settings and paddle shift now. Standard 400bhp feels and sounds like a Mustang. M button with 507bhp turns it into a Ferrari!
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It's had a download - now rates at 546 bhp and 204 mph. 0 to 100 mph in a shade under ten seconds... loving it!
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Great choice. I have lusted after one of these for years. IMHO one of the most beautiful vehicles Jaguar has produced since the E-Type.
Reflections in a double bourbon...
He has no family or kids etc so he doesn't need a saloon. A coupe/GT or a convertible.
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