Who Should be the Quantum Group's Leader?

SilentSpySilentSpy Private Exotic AreaPosts: 765MI6 Agent
in Skyfall - Bond 23 (2012)
There are a few threads about possible actors being good for the Quantum Group's leader. I thought I would start a main thread for it as I believe I've found the perfect guy.

If anyone here is watching the spy show Rubicon, the main bad guy "Truxton Spangler" is great. He's played by Michael Cristofer. In the latest episode he is so sinister and calculating it's scary. There are a few scenes when he's setting up a hit and talking to his intended victim that are just amazing. Also, his voice is perfect for a main Bond villain. Placing him in a film with the tone of Casino Royale and up against Daniel Craig would be awesome.
"Better late than never."
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  • perdoggperdogg Posts: 432MI6 Agent
    Max Von Sydow
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Rachel Weisz... :v Her involvement as a potential villain has been one of my favourite rumous.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,330MI6 Agent
    Loeffelholz wrote:
    Rachel Weisz... :v Her involvement as a potential villain has been one of my favourite rumous.

    I agree completely. It would also make sense to the title "Property of a Lady", perhaps the best Flemming title left.
  • j.bladesj.blades Currently? You must be joking?Posts: 530MI6 Agent
    ^ Exactly my sentiments in a former post I wrote!
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  • Ricardo C.Ricardo C. Posts: 916MI6 Agent
    "Property of A Lady" sounds like a Lifetime Movie. It just isn't right for a Bond feature film. I think something better would be one of Fleming's rejected titles THE ROUGH WITH THE SMOOTH.
  • Thunderbird 2Thunderbird 2 East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,816MI6 Agent
    "Chop off a snakes head, and the body will die."


    I thing all of the actors mentioned would be great Quantum members, but i think the organisation itself will be more insidious if there is no default leader. - Instead a joint group of say five, maybe six people at the top? It would also makes it much harder for Bond to elimiate the organisation, unlike Spectre which was more or less reduced to Blofeld in the end. #

    Plus it would keep us all guessing as to who is the most influential or manipulative of the big cheeses!
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  • SilentSpySilentSpy Private Exotic AreaPosts: 765MI6 Agent
    Might be interesting for a group of people to be behind Quantum. In Rubicon, the Truxton character is one of a group of bad guys. But so far, he is at the frontline.

    I like the idea of a woman leader. I remember a Bond novel, I can't remember the title right now. Anyway, there was a female Blofeld. So, it could be interesting. The female bad character didn't work as well as it should have in The World is Not Enough.
    "Better late than never."
  • j.bladesj.blades Currently? You must be joking?Posts: 530MI6 Agent
    ^There was never a female Blofeld in Flemings canon, what are you talking about SilentSpy?
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Not to spoil anyones reading, In a J Gardner Bond Novel There Is a Blofeld Type Femal Villlan.Which Might be what SilentSpy is refering to.
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  • j.bladesj.blades Currently? You must be joking?Posts: 530MI6 Agent
    ^Ohh, I've never read that perticular Gardner story, thanks for clearing that up Thuderpussy.
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  • SilentSpySilentSpy Private Exotic AreaPosts: 765MI6 Agent
    Yeah, it is a bit of a spoiler I guess. I haven't read the book in a long time. So, I won't mention the book's title...
    "Better late than never."
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    I suspect that by the time the next Bond movie is mads everty on will be new--inclusibd 007 himself.I wondwe who Eo might consider.
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    Willie brings up an excellent thought, one that I hadn't really considered too much. If for some reason, Bond 23 introduces a new Bond actor, would the Quantum storyline even be contrinued? I think Lazenby is the only Bond who tried to build a storyline on a predecessor's foundation with the Bond versus Blofeld concept. Blofeld was essentially dropped with Moore, and subsequent Bonds tend to exist in their own somewhat reinvented universe. Would a new Bond be pursuing Quantum, or would they simply drop the storyline in favor of something that better matched the times?
  • SilentSpySilentSpy Private Exotic AreaPosts: 765MI6 Agent
    It would be silly to drop the Quantum Group after how well it was setup in Casino Royale. Quantum of Solace was a true miss. If they are able to get Daniel Craig down for two films. I would like to see a Goldfinger style break film and back to the Quantum Group for the second film. Have Bond in an epic battle that we haven't seen since maybe The Living Daylights. Yet, Bond wasn't directly fighting in that battle. So, we would have to go back to The Spy Who Loved Me for the big battle scene. Still it would be horrible mistake if the producers were to throw away all the work on the Quantum Group.
    "Better late than never."
  • Ricardo C.Ricardo C. Posts: 916MI6 Agent
    SilentSpy wrote:
    It would be silly to drop the Quantum Group after how well it was setup in Casino Royale. Quantum of Solace was a true miss. If they are able to get Daniel Craig down for two films. I would like to see a Goldfinger style break film and back to the Quantum Group for the second film. Have Bond in an epic battle that we haven't seen since maybe The Living Daylights. Yet, Bond wasn't directly fighting in that battle. So, we would have to go back to The Spy Who Loved Me for the big battle scene. Still it would be horrible mistake if the producers were to throw away all the work on the Quantum Group.

    I hope for their return because the only thing QOS did right was making Quantum an interesting orginization. They don't have armies of foot soldiers like SPECTRE but they have people in power that could get in bed with people who have muscle.

    This time let's hope the stakes are higher than water.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,330MI6 Agent
    Ricardo C. wrote:
    "Property of A Lady" sounds like a Lifetime Movie. It just isn't right for a Bond feature film. I think something better would be one of Fleming's rejected titles THE ROUGH WITH THE SMOOTH.

    I think "Property of a Lady" is a title that is mysterius, and tells of style. It's a untypical action title like "The world is not enough", "The living daylights" or "For your eyes only". We should be glad they don't chose a title with frequent use of the words kill, die and gold
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,330MI6 Agent
    SilentSpy wrote:
    It would be silly to drop the Quantum Group after how well it was setup in Casino Royale. Quantum of Solace was a true miss. If they are able to get Daniel Craig down for two films. I would like to see a Goldfinger style break film and back to the Quantum Group for the second film. Have Bond in an epic battle that we haven't seen since maybe The Living Daylights. Yet, Bond wasn't directly fighting in that battle. So, we would have to go back to The Spy Who Loved Me for the big battle scene. Still it would be horrible mistake if the producers were to throw away all the work on the Quantum Group.

    I agree.:007)
  • Ricardo C.Ricardo C. Posts: 916MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Ricardo C. wrote:
    "Property of A Lady" sounds like a Lifetime Movie. It just isn't right for a Bond feature film. I think something better would be one of Fleming's rejected titles THE ROUGH WITH THE SMOOTH.

    I think "Property of a Lady" is a title that is mysterius, and tells of style. It's a untypical action title like "The world is not enough", "The living daylights" or "For your eyes only". We should be glad they don't chose a title with frequent use of the words kill, die and gold

    Property of a Lady sounds too soft for a film about a secret agent. If this was a TV series and it was an episode title, then I'd have no gripe.
  • mrbain007mrbain007 Posts: 393MI6 Agent
    The Property of a Lady sounds like the title of a period drama :))
  • j.bladesj.blades Currently? You must be joking?Posts: 530MI6 Agent
    Ricardo C. wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    Ricardo C. wrote:
    "Property of A Lady" sounds like a Lifetime Movie. It just isn't right for a Bond feature film. I think something better would be one of Fleming's rejected titles THE ROUGH WITH THE SMOOTH.

    I think "Property of a Lady" is a title that is mysterius, and tells of style. It's a untypical action title like "The world is not enough", "The living daylights" or "For your eyes only". We should be glad they don't chose a title with frequent use of the words kill, die and gold

    Property of a Lady sounds too soft for a film about a secret agent. If this was a TV series and it was an episode title, then I'd have no gripe.
    ^Tell that to Ian Fleming.
    "I take a ridiculous pleasure in what I eat and drink."

    ~ Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
  • Ricardo C.Ricardo C. Posts: 916MI6 Agent
    j.blades wrote:
    Ricardo C. wrote:
    Number24 wrote:

    I think "Property of a Lady" is a title that is mysterius, and tells of style. It's a untypical action title like "The world is not enough", "The living daylights" or "For your eyes only". We should be glad they don't chose a title with frequent use of the words kill, die and gold

    Property of a Lady sounds too soft for a film about a secret agent. If this was a TV series and it was an episode title, then I'd have no gripe.
    ^Tell that to Ian Fleming.

    It's find for a short story title.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,330MI6 Agent
    j.blades wrote:
    Ricardo C. wrote:
    Number24 wrote:

    I think "Property of a Lady" is a title that is mysterius, and tells of style. It's a untypical action title like "The world is not enough", "The living daylights" or "For your eyes only". We should be glad they don't chose a title with frequent use of the words kill, die and gold

    Property of a Lady sounds too soft for a film about a secret agent. If this was a TV series and it was an episode title, then I'd have no gripe.
    ^Tell that to Ian Fleming.

    :))

    I don't see how "Property of a Lady" is so much softer than "The world is not enough". If they use the story idea that was circling about Galla Brandt (Rachel Weiz?) being the leader of QUANTUM and QUANTUM being far more powerful than anyone suspected, the world would be in a sense the property of a lady. And that's omnious. It's all a question of context and and mood of the film and campaign.
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    I agree...I think Property of a Lady is a perfectly acceptable title...as good as The Spy Who Loved Me and Octopussy or From Russia With Love. In fact, I think it's better than Diamonds are Forever or even Casino Royale. Like Number says, it really depends on the tone of the marketing campaign. The odd thing about Bond titles is that they alway seem to not feel right to me at first, but eventually sound very natural. POAL doesn't seem odd to me at all. The Hildebrandt Rarit,y on the other hand, would take some getting used to.
  • Ricardo C.Ricardo C. Posts: 916MI6 Agent
    edited October 2010
    Number24 wrote:
    j.blades wrote:
    Ricardo C. wrote:

    Property of a Lady sounds too soft for a film about a secret agent. If this was a TV series and it was an episode title, then I'd have no gripe.
    ^Tell that to Ian Fleming.

    :))

    I don't see how "Property of a Lady" is so much softer than "The world is not enough". If they use the story idea that was circling about Galla Brandt (Rachel Weiz?) being the leader of QUANTUM and QUANTUM being far more powerful than anyone suspected, the world would be in a sense the property of a lady. And that's omnious. It's all a question of context and and mood of the film and campaign.

    How do you figure that ? The World is Not Enough sounds like something that brings a sense of urgency though the draw back is that you really can't justify it as a film title; Elektra declaring her oil empire as the world was pretty damn forced.

    As for your explanation of the world being "The Property of a Lady", that sounds too desperate of an attempt to use the title simply because it originated from the Fleming cannon. I can already imagine the clumsy scene trying to justify the use of title adkin to King's hammy speech on oil.

    Really, there wasn't a single useable Fleming title left after Casino Royale. Quantum of Solace made no sense and calling the originization Quantum does it no further credit. We also can't count on EON trying to come up with a good original name because all they would come up with something with "die" or "kill". I am sure they must have had a hand in "Another Way to Die" to some capacity but then again a stupid song deserves a stupid title.
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    I agree.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,330MI6 Agent
    Ricardo C. wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    j.blades wrote:
    ^Tell that to Ian Fleming.

    :))

    I don't see how "Property of a Lady" is so much softer than "The world is not enough". If they use the story idea that was circling about Galla Brandt (Rachel Weiz?) being the leader of QUANTUM and QUANTUM being far more powerful than anyone suspected, the world would be in a sense the property of a lady. And that's omnious. It's all a question of context and and mood of the film and campaign.

    How do you figure that ? The World is Not Enough sounds like something that brings a sense of urgency though the draw back is that you really can't justify it as a film title; Elektra declaring her oil empire as the world was pretty damn forced.

    As for your explanation of the world being "The Property of a Lady", that sounds too desperate of an attempt to use the title simply because it originated from the Fleming cannon. I can already imagine the clumsy scene trying to justify the use of title adkin to King's hammy speech on oil.

    Really, there wasn't a single useable Fleming title left after Casino Royale. Quantum of Solace made no sense and calling the originization Quantum does it no further credit. We also can't count on EON trying to come up with a good original name because all they would come up with something with "die" or "kill". I am sure they must have had a hand in "Another Way to Die" to some capacity but then again a stupid song deserves a stupid title.


    Well, obviously I still disagree. But while Proparty of a Lady is the best short story title left after Flemming, it's not the best Flemming title left. If they use parts of a chapter title in CR it would be great: "A whisper of hate"
  • Ricardo C.Ricardo C. Posts: 916MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Ricardo C. wrote:
    Number24 wrote:

    :))

    I don't see how "Property of a Lady" is so much softer than "The world is not enough". If they use the story idea that was circling about Galla Brandt (Rachel Weiz?) being the leader of QUANTUM and QUANTUM being far more powerful than anyone suspected, the world would be in a sense the property of a lady. And that's omnious. It's all a question of context and and mood of the film and campaign.

    How do you figure that ? The World is Not Enough sounds like something that brings a sense of urgency though the draw back is that you really can't justify it as a film title; Elektra declaring her oil empire as the world was pretty damn forced.

    As for your explanation of the world being "The Property of a Lady", that sounds too desperate of an attempt to use the title simply because it originated from the Fleming cannon. I can already imagine the clumsy scene trying to justify the use of title adkin to King's hammy speech on oil.

    Really, there wasn't a single useable Fleming title left after Casino Royale. Quantum of Solace made no sense and calling the originization Quantum does it no further credit. We also can't count on EON trying to come up with a good original name because all they would come up with something with "die" or "kill". I am sure they must have had a hand in "Another Way to Die" to some capacity but then again a stupid song deserves a stupid title.


    Well, obviously I still disagree. But while Proparty of a Lady is the best short story title left after Flemming, it's not the best Flemming title left. If they use parts of a chapter title in CR it would be great: "A whisper of hate"

    That title would definetly fall into the cateogory of The World is Not Enough. Great to hear but hard to justify for a film.
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    What about risico?
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  • Thunderbird 2Thunderbird 2 East of Cardiff, Wales.Posts: 2,816MI6 Agent
    To be honest I am not fussy what the film is called, as long as its good! I see no harm in a Flemming Title being resued for a different storyline from a book. Living Daylights works for example. Quantum did not!

    I am about to read the Bond short stories, but in the context of the last film, what does "The Quantum of Solace" actually mean, if anything? Surely by way of the storyline, The Solace of Quantum would make more sense, Bond on a lone vendetta against a Quantum member? ;% Have I been over analyzing this again?
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