Krest, like Truman Lodge, is very much a caricature of the '80s or any era for me, being slimy, a drunk and a careless hanger on to the skirts of his boss. He's a bit of an ***licker. He's also a bit incompetent".
I think the character was still portrayed in a convincing manner.
"While I appreciate Bond is out for revenge, Krest's murder wasn't necessarily in the method he would have chosen. It is Sanchez who decides the means".
Bond must have known that by setting up Krest he was sending him to his death. He was taking advantage of Sanchez's distrust and paranoia.
Yes, perhaps Pam did fall for Bond's charms a little too quickly, especially after their encounter in the bar. However, for the most part she presents herself as a competent, decisive figure (except when she makes the fatal mistake of forgetting to re-load her gun).
In this respect QOS is far more incriminating towards Bond: he deliberately leaves Greene to the wolves, has no compassion for the deaths of Mathis or Fields and rarely manages to extract information from his targets before killing them. Much more singlemindedly ruthless than in LTK (eg. Dalton actually displays shock at Sharkey's death) and not any better for it.
Heh, well, if we're going by that standard, then we might as well bring up From Russia With Love, when Bond informs Kerim Bey's son of his father's death.
It was more or less, 'Your dad's dead, but nevermind that! I need to you to send a fax...'
Heh, well, if we're going by that standard, then we might as well bring up From Russia With Love, when Bond informs Kerim
It was more or less, 'Your dad's dead, but nevermind that! I need to you to send a fax...'
Paraphrased slightly
Not even close. Bond was blunt about Kerim's death to one of his sons because they knew the type of business he was in. Naturally, he wasn't going to soft soap the truth and the son took it. Besides, Bond gave the son Kerim's cigarette holder to remember him by which was very touching. There was a lot of emotion in that brief scene from Bond, who clearly had no joy in telling a son that his father was dead, and the son himself who was desperate for revenge. Also yes, Bond remembered that tragic things happen, life must go on. He was in the middle of a mission and he had to finish it. That one scene said so much about Bond's personality and the ugly side of being a spy.
This was unlike the lunacy in LTK which Bond killed people left and right just to go on a petty vendetta. Bond even went out of his way to avenge the death of a ridiculously minor character, Sharky, by impaling him with a spear in broad daylight with several people looking. 8-) I wonder, if I assisted that looney tuney LTK Bond just once by opening a door for him to walk into Wal-Mart and he found out I was killed, would he avenge my death too ? )
In this respect QOS is far more incriminating towards Bond: he deliberately leaves Greene to the wolves, has no compassion for the deaths of Mathis or Fields and rarely manages to extract information from his targets before killing them. Much more singlemindedly ruthless than in LTK (eg. Dalton actually displays shock at Sharkey's death) and not any better for it.
For once, I will defend the wretched QOS. He had no compassion for Mathis ? He held him passionately as he laid dying on the street ! What the heck do you call that ? Yes, Bond threw him the dumpster because he wanted to make it look like a robbery took place. A decent excuse to see a few dead people in area, don't you agree ? As for Fields, he was not exactly bawling his eyes out but he clearly looked like he regreted what happened to her. Lastly, what was so bad about letting Greene get killed ? Hell, Bond should have done the job himself. He was stacking up a body count quite rapidly in the film and all of a sudden, he just couldn't do it. Rather stupid writing. Okay, that last bit was bashing but c'mon. )
Bond didn't kill Greene because he had a change of heart - dying slowly of thirst and heat exposure in the desert was certainly worse than being shot. (Clint Eastwood had a great scene like this in The Eiger Sanction).
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Bond didn't kill Greene because he had a change of heart - dying slowly of thirst and heat exposure in the desert was certainly worse than being shot. (Clint Eastwood had a great scene like this in The Eiger Sanction).
I agree. Bond also gave the guy motor oil as he knew that Green would rather drink that than nothing at all.
I do think it was a shame and an anti-climax though that the guy wasn't at least killed onscreen. M simply said "they found Green dead in the desert, 2 bullet holes in the back of his skill"
Like all the other villains we should have seen him get his cummapance.
Bond didn't kill Greene because he had a change of heart - dying slowly of thirst and heat exposure in the desert was certainly worse than being shot. (Clint Eastwood had a great scene like this in The Eiger Sanction).
It would have been great if the Greene was any of kind interesting or remotely memorable character.
Someone said that the plot was underdeveloped. LTK is maybe the best scripted Bond film since From Russia With Love.
One thing is the plot, which makes sense. The whole drugtheme is very believable and still sin't dated. (I hate when people say: It is dated... Well why don't you **** make a movie and think 30 years ahead...? If it isn't in when the movie is being made, than it is unbelievable)
1) The whole thing starts out in a pretty classic way. What isn't classic about the pre credit sequence is the introduction of the villain and him whipping Lupe. But it said the tone even before the gruesome stuff started to occur. Bond catches the villain in a classic way and it is pretty nicely done. Notice the line: "Let's go fishing" which is later upgraded to "Let's go shark hunting" when things start to go bad.
The thing about Franz Sanchez love for loyalty is ontroduced pretty early and is used throughout the movie.
Notice this:
In the beginning we see cross cutting between Sanchez in jail and the escape from the police, and Bond having fun with Felix and the whole wedding party.
This contrast is also used later on.
Sanchez is in his office with Lupe and his henchmen having a good time. Bond is the angry man who can't get close to Sanchez. It is a funny change. They can't both be happy at the same time. And they are both meen.
After Sanchez has escaped we have a nice little reference to the sad wedding in OHMSS. This is important as history is about to repeat itself.
The henchmen we now see are the same as we saw in the beginning. I really like that Sanchez doesn't just get new henchmen all the time. These are people that he trusts.
So from that we go over to what is an accurate adaptation of the events in the Live And Let Die novel where Felix is fed to a shark. Brillantly done here. Dalton has his fine moment of acting when he finds the bodies of Felix and Della.
After this, and the escape from M, we move back to The Hildebrand Rarity and Milton Krest. the story starts with Bond chasing a Manta Ray. In LTK he is hiding beneath a fake one. Pretty cool stuff I think.
Bond stealing Krests money comes to make sense later on.
The Bar fight could be inspired by Ian Fleming too. In the Moonraker novel there is a bar fight and there is also a bar/Club episode in The man with the golden gun where Bond starts to shoot inside the club.
Now the meeting with Dario here will turn out to be a huge problem towards the end.
I like Pam. She is not a traditional Bond girl. Very cool.
The whole assassinatin attempt against Sanchez is quite cool. I think there is a part here which is very well inspired by The Man With The Golden Gun. Scaramanga, like Sanchez in the movie, also has girls for his partners. The whole scene where Chang stands out at the meeting reminds me of The Man With The Golden Gun. Eventually Sanchez also shoots Chang and funny enough it is with a six shooter.
So Bond winds up at Sanchez house. Fantastic location by the way. Here Kamen uses the same music that he used for when Bond finds Della dead and Felix in a bodybag. There's been a development but the plot stays the same. Here Bond smokes and drinks black coffee. That is pretty much like it has to be.
The execution of Krest had to be gruesome like in The Hildebrand Rarity though it is very different.
The thing about Sanchez coming into Bond's bedroom at night also reminds me of The man with the golden gun.
When Bond is standing in the drug factory and Darion is standing right behind him, we have a situation similar to the situation in Casino Royale, where a guy walks up behind Bond with a gun and Bond tries to stay calm so that the audience doesn't notice. Eventually Bond fall back to get the gun out of the gunmans hand. In LTK he gives Dario a headbutt. Cool stuff.
The whole thing about Sanchez being that hurt while he is lying there and suddenly he has enough strength to try and kill Bond reminds me of the end of The man with the golden gun.
So what else. Lupe is pretty much inspired by Tiffany Case in Diamonds Are Forever and Lis Krest in The Hildebrand Rarity being whipped and all that. The whole thing about Lupe being a dealer at the casino stinks of Diamonds Are Forever and it is cool stuff.
The Bon Apetit joke is a reference to "You Only Live Twice". That is pretty cool together with the "He was married once, but that is a long time ago"-reference to "On her majesty's secret service"
Now notice all the fish references. The Hildebrand Rarity is about a very rare fish and there is a lot of fish in LTK.
First you have the comments, Let's go fishing and Lets go sharkhunting. But than there is the Manta Ray thing. Milton Krests lair of course which is full of fish but that is taken from Live And Let Die so lets skip that one.
1) During the bar fight a guy takes a stuffed sword fish and uses it against Bond.
2) Afte Bond has been knocked unconscious and wakes up at Sanchez house, the first thing Bond sees is a weird furniture that looks like a fish.
3) At the very end a big statue shaped as a fish, blinks just before the credits.
Bond does use a harpoon at some point. This might seem irrelevant but it's not. The first thing we read about when we read The Hildebrand Rarity is Bond hunting the manta ray with a harpoon.
Of Course Sanchez is inspired by Pablo Escobar and that provides a new fantastic conflict which is a great alternative to all the cold war stuff at a time where the cold war was almost over. Strange that the Bond producers went back to the cold war after the it had ended with GoldenEye, The World Is Not Enough and so on.
Now Michael Kamen uses almost all the music parts two times each with a few exceptions.
1) The music used as Lupe is being whipped is also used in the end as Sanchez confronts Heller.
2) The music when Bond shoots the tyre of the jeep before going up in the air and catch Sanchez plane is also used during the tankertruck chase.
3) The music used as Sanchez escapes from the police, is also used at the end when Bond gives Dario a headbutt and puts the factory on fire.
4) The music used when Bond finds Della dead and Felix in a bodybag is also being used when Bond wakes up at sanchez house.
5) The music used when Bond infiltrates Milton Krests lairhouse, is also used towards the end during the arrival at the drug factory.
6) The music used during the establishment shot of the room on board Milton Krests boat with the air chamber is also used just before the execution of Krest in the very same air chamber.
7) The music used during the underwater action sequence is used during the tanker truck chase sequence.
8) The music used when Bond returns to Leiters house at night to look at his computer, is also used at the end just after Sanchez has blown up.
There is more but This is taking way too much space.
I like that Bond is casual dressed throughout most of the movie.
Daltons performance is probably the best in the series. Far better than any of Connery's performances.
I like that it is the son of the guy who played Kerim Bay in From Russia With Love, that plays president Lopez. Cool thing.
The dialogue in this movie is wonderfully written. Remember this one?¨
"Its hard to get a job in Isthmus city. You need a talent that people here don't have.." "Well that shouldn't be too difficult."
Bond smokes like in the books so that is fantastic. Robert Brown as fantastic as M and Desmond Llewellyn is great too.
The entire casting is one of the finest in the series. There is such good chemistry between Robert Davi and Benicio Del Toro. Anthony Zerbe is also fantastic. Very much as a imagined Milton Krest when I read The Hildebrand Rarity
If this isn't enough.
So moment of truth. If this isn't the perfect movie/Bond movie than I don't think you'll ever be satisfied. This is as good as it gets.
Bond didn't kill Greene because he had a change of heart - dying slowly of thirst and heat exposure in the desert was certainly worse than being shot. (Clint Eastwood had a great scene like this in The Eiger Sanction).
It would have been great if the Greene was any of kind interesting or remotely memorable character.
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I think the character was still portrayed in a convincing manner.
"While I appreciate Bond is out for revenge, Krest's murder wasn't necessarily in the method he would have chosen. It is Sanchez who decides the means".
Bond must have known that by setting up Krest he was sending him to his death. He was taking advantage of Sanchez's distrust and paranoia.
Yes, perhaps Pam did fall for Bond's charms a little too quickly, especially after their encounter in the bar. However, for the most part she presents herself as a competent, decisive figure (except when she makes the fatal mistake of forgetting to re-load her gun).
Heh, well, if we're going by that standard, then we might as well bring up From Russia With Love, when Bond informs Kerim Bey's son of his father's death.
It was more or less, 'Your dad's dead, but nevermind that! I need to you to send a fax...'
Paraphrased slightly
Not even close. Bond was blunt about Kerim's death to one of his sons because they knew the type of business he was in. Naturally, he wasn't going to soft soap the truth and the son took it. Besides, Bond gave the son Kerim's cigarette holder to remember him by which was very touching. There was a lot of emotion in that brief scene from Bond, who clearly had no joy in telling a son that his father was dead, and the son himself who was desperate for revenge. Also yes, Bond remembered that tragic things happen, life must go on. He was in the middle of a mission and he had to finish it. That one scene said so much about Bond's personality and the ugly side of being a spy.
This was unlike the lunacy in LTK which Bond killed people left and right just to go on a petty vendetta. Bond even went out of his way to avenge the death of a ridiculously minor character, Sharky, by impaling him with a spear in broad daylight with several people looking. 8-) I wonder, if I assisted that looney tuney LTK Bond just once by opening a door for him to walk into Wal-Mart and he found out I was killed, would he avenge my death too ?
For once, I will defend the wretched QOS. He had no compassion for Mathis ? He held him passionately as he laid dying on the street ! What the heck do you call that ? Yes, Bond threw him the dumpster because he wanted to make it look like a robbery took place. A decent excuse to see a few dead people in area, don't you agree ? As for Fields, he was not exactly bawling his eyes out but he clearly looked like he regreted what happened to her. Lastly, what was so bad about letting Greene get killed ? Hell, Bond should have done the job himself. He was stacking up a body count quite rapidly in the film and all of a sudden, he just couldn't do it. Rather stupid writing. Okay, that last bit was bashing but c'mon.
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I agree. Bond also gave the guy motor oil as he knew that Green would rather drink that than nothing at all.
I do think it was a shame and an anti-climax though that the guy wasn't at least killed onscreen. M simply said "they found Green dead in the desert, 2 bullet holes in the back of his skill"
Like all the other villains we should have seen him get his cummapance.
It would have been great if the Greene was any of kind interesting or remotely memorable character.
One thing is the plot, which makes sense. The whole drugtheme is very believable and still sin't dated. (I hate when people say: It is dated... Well why don't you **** make a movie and think 30 years ahead...? If it isn't in when the movie is being made, than it is unbelievable)
1) The whole thing starts out in a pretty classic way. What isn't classic about the pre credit sequence is the introduction of the villain and him whipping Lupe. But it said the tone even before the gruesome stuff started to occur. Bond catches the villain in a classic way and it is pretty nicely done. Notice the line: "Let's go fishing" which is later upgraded to "Let's go shark hunting" when things start to go bad.
The thing about Franz Sanchez love for loyalty is ontroduced pretty early and is used throughout the movie.
Notice this:
In the beginning we see cross cutting between Sanchez in jail and the escape from the police, and Bond having fun with Felix and the whole wedding party.
This contrast is also used later on.
Sanchez is in his office with Lupe and his henchmen having a good time. Bond is the angry man who can't get close to Sanchez. It is a funny change. They can't both be happy at the same time. And they are both meen.
After Sanchez has escaped we have a nice little reference to the sad wedding in OHMSS. This is important as history is about to repeat itself.
The henchmen we now see are the same as we saw in the beginning. I really like that Sanchez doesn't just get new henchmen all the time. These are people that he trusts.
So from that we go over to what is an accurate adaptation of the events in the Live And Let Die novel where Felix is fed to a shark. Brillantly done here. Dalton has his fine moment of acting when he finds the bodies of Felix and Della.
After this, and the escape from M, we move back to The Hildebrand Rarity and Milton Krest. the story starts with Bond chasing a Manta Ray. In LTK he is hiding beneath a fake one. Pretty cool stuff I think.
Bond stealing Krests money comes to make sense later on.
The Bar fight could be inspired by Ian Fleming too. In the Moonraker novel there is a bar fight and there is also a bar/Club episode in The man with the golden gun where Bond starts to shoot inside the club.
Now the meeting with Dario here will turn out to be a huge problem towards the end.
I like Pam. She is not a traditional Bond girl. Very cool.
The whole assassinatin attempt against Sanchez is quite cool. I think there is a part here which is very well inspired by The Man With The Golden Gun. Scaramanga, like Sanchez in the movie, also has girls for his partners. The whole scene where Chang stands out at the meeting reminds me of The Man With The Golden Gun. Eventually Sanchez also shoots Chang and funny enough it is with a six shooter.
So Bond winds up at Sanchez house. Fantastic location by the way. Here Kamen uses the same music that he used for when Bond finds Della dead and Felix in a bodybag. There's been a development but the plot stays the same. Here Bond smokes and drinks black coffee. That is pretty much like it has to be.
The execution of Krest had to be gruesome like in The Hildebrand Rarity though it is very different.
The thing about Sanchez coming into Bond's bedroom at night also reminds me of The man with the golden gun.
When Bond is standing in the drug factory and Darion is standing right behind him, we have a situation similar to the situation in Casino Royale, where a guy walks up behind Bond with a gun and Bond tries to stay calm so that the audience doesn't notice. Eventually Bond fall back to get the gun out of the gunmans hand. In LTK he gives Dario a headbutt. Cool stuff.
The whole thing about Sanchez being that hurt while he is lying there and suddenly he has enough strength to try and kill Bond reminds me of the end of The man with the golden gun.
So what else. Lupe is pretty much inspired by Tiffany Case in Diamonds Are Forever and Lis Krest in The Hildebrand Rarity being whipped and all that. The whole thing about Lupe being a dealer at the casino stinks of Diamonds Are Forever and it is cool stuff.
The Bon Apetit joke is a reference to "You Only Live Twice". That is pretty cool together with the "He was married once, but that is a long time ago"-reference to "On her majesty's secret service"
Now notice all the fish references. The Hildebrand Rarity is about a very rare fish and there is a lot of fish in LTK.
First you have the comments, Let's go fishing and Lets go sharkhunting. But than there is the Manta Ray thing. Milton Krests lair of course which is full of fish but that is taken from Live And Let Die so lets skip that one.
1) During the bar fight a guy takes a stuffed sword fish and uses it against Bond.
2) Afte Bond has been knocked unconscious and wakes up at Sanchez house, the first thing Bond sees is a weird furniture that looks like a fish.
3) At the very end a big statue shaped as a fish, blinks just before the credits.
Bond does use a harpoon at some point. This might seem irrelevant but it's not. The first thing we read about when we read The Hildebrand Rarity is Bond hunting the manta ray with a harpoon.
Of Course Sanchez is inspired by Pablo Escobar and that provides a new fantastic conflict which is a great alternative to all the cold war stuff at a time where the cold war was almost over. Strange that the Bond producers went back to the cold war after the it had ended with GoldenEye, The World Is Not Enough and so on.
Now Michael Kamen uses almost all the music parts two times each with a few exceptions.
1) The music used as Lupe is being whipped is also used in the end as Sanchez confronts Heller.
2) The music when Bond shoots the tyre of the jeep before going up in the air and catch Sanchez plane is also used during the tankertruck chase.
3) The music used as Sanchez escapes from the police, is also used at the end when Bond gives Dario a headbutt and puts the factory on fire.
4) The music used when Bond finds Della dead and Felix in a bodybag is also being used when Bond wakes up at sanchez house.
5) The music used when Bond infiltrates Milton Krests lairhouse, is also used towards the end during the arrival at the drug factory.
6) The music used during the establishment shot of the room on board Milton Krests boat with the air chamber is also used just before the execution of Krest in the very same air chamber.
7) The music used during the underwater action sequence is used during the tanker truck chase sequence.
8) The music used when Bond returns to Leiters house at night to look at his computer, is also used at the end just after Sanchez has blown up.
There is more but This is taking way too much space.
I like that Bond is casual dressed throughout most of the movie.
Daltons performance is probably the best in the series. Far better than any of Connery's performances.
I like that it is the son of the guy who played Kerim Bay in From Russia With Love, that plays president Lopez. Cool thing.
The dialogue in this movie is wonderfully written. Remember this one?¨
"Its hard to get a job in Isthmus city. You need a talent that people here don't have.." "Well that shouldn't be too difficult."
Bond smokes like in the books so that is fantastic. Robert Brown as fantastic as M and Desmond Llewellyn is great too.
The entire casting is one of the finest in the series. There is such good chemistry between Robert Davi and Benicio Del Toro. Anthony Zerbe is also fantastic. Very much as a imagined Milton Krest when I read The Hildebrand Rarity
If this isn't enough.
So moment of truth. If this isn't the perfect movie/Bond movie than I don't think you'll ever be satisfied. This is as good as it gets.
I guess I am not satisfied by the fourteen other films I put above this one.
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