How many of you people here think (and maybe want) this to become reality? Now with these rumors that Sony wants the next Bond to be Black, and with the whole Idris Elba thing, as a Bond fan this leaves me concerend...
How much influence does Sony have on the movies anyway? I assumed it were United Artists and EON themselves that ultimately controled Bond..
My own opinion: Bond should be white. For the same obvious reasons that it would be just as strange if a white actor would portray Nelson Mandela. Or if a female would be chosen as the next Bond.
For the same obvious reasons that it would be just as strange if a white actor would portray Nelson Mandela.
I always find these types of comparisons to be very strange. James Bond is a fictional character. To me that makes a real difference. That's not to say that there might not be significant issues with making Bond Black, but it's clearly not the same thing.
For the same obvious reasons that it would be just as strange if a white actor would portray Nelson Mandela.
I always find these types of comparisons to be very strange. James Bond is a fictional character. To me that makes a real difference. That's not to say that there might not be significant issues with making Bond Black, but it's clearly not the same thing.
You're right, fictional characters are not real. But that doesn't mean one doesn't have a vision of what Bond should be. I think it's the same that he should never be female. Don't get me wrong though, I loved how they made both Felix Leiter and Moneypenny black in their latest incarnations. They are probably my favorite versions of those characters portrayed so far.
But I feel an actor that is playing James Bond should atleast meet certain demands. I would love to play James Bond myself as well, but even if I was a terrific actor that spoke accentless English and had the perfect looks, I would probably not get the part for the simple reason that I'm Dutch, and people have a certain vision of what the character should be. (Atleast his gender/ heritage / ethnicity etc)
But my other question remains, how much does Sony have to do with Bond anyway?
I would love to play James Bond myself as well, but even if I was a terrific actor that spoke accentless English and had the perfect looks, I would probably not get the part for the simple reason that I'm Dutch, and people have a certain vision of what the character should be
I get your point, but I think you are overstating just a bit. Remember, Lazenby got the part despite being Austrailian and not exactly speaking "accentless" English. But he had the familiar look and ethnicity for sure.
I would love to play James Bond myself as well, but even if I was a terrific actor that spoke accentless English and had the perfect looks, I would probably not get the part for the simple reason that I'm Dutch, and people have a certain vision of what the character should be
I get your point, but I think you are overstating just a bit. Remember, Lazenby got the part despite being Austrailian and not exactly speaking "accentless" English. But he had the familiar look and ethnicity for sure.
True, but those were clearly different times as the guy wasn't even an actor and somehow got the role. (It's still beyond me that it actually happened that a model got to follow up Connery!)
It's not to say that maybe if the next Bond would indeed be black my opinion wouldn't change, I have memories of not being fond of the choice of Craig because he didn't look like Bond. But he clearly proofed he was very good! And to be fair, there are a lot of good black and English actors out there who i'm sure could convince me too.
But as of now, I personally feel it just wouldn't be right...
They were stretching the elastic by hiring the Toby jug that is DC yet they pulled it off
I've heard he speaks very highly of you too !
No need for childish insults...and if that's the best you can do
Believe me I can do much better than that but seemingly made the mistake of speaking as if I was in the pub speaking to men. I also forgot the sensitive nature of the debate, poor old Daniel, if I upset his or others sensibilities I truly apologise. Of course instead of being old fashioned I should have referred to him as 'aesthetically challenged'.
Here's waiting for the nodding dogs........................
Sarcasm and childish insults...I'm impressed 8-)
And, to clarify, this isn't a pub....just in case you were confused...
For the same obvious reasons that it would be just as strange if a white actor would portray Nelson Mandela.
Mandela is a historical figure. Audiences expect actors playing historical figures to resemble said figures. A more appropriate comparison would be Ryan Gosling as Shaft.
Anyway the motion picture industry is rather risk-averse. Look at the casting the the 2009 Star Trek reboot.
Mandela is a historical figure. Audiences expect actors playing historical figures to resemble said figures. A more appropriate comparison would be Ryan Gosling as Shaft.
Well, I must say I am surprised. I have been concerned that this thread might have caused trouble but this is not what I was fearing.
stag, there is no need to insult fellow members by calling us "nodding dogs". And I assure you that Sir Miles is not a man who hides behind his position- he would call you out on what you said anyway, and isn't trigger-happy.
Edit- oh, and there aren't too many youngsters around here...
For the same obvious reasons that it would be just as strange if a white actor would portray Nelson Mandela.
Mandela is a historical figure. Audiences expect actors playing historical figures to resemble said figures. A more appropriate comparison would be Ryan Gosling as Shaft.
Anyway the motion picture industry is rather risk-averse. Look at the casting the the 2009 Star Trek reboot.
Yes fair enough, I understood Blackleiters point in this as well. But like I explained above, I feel there are certain requirements one would have to meet to become my vision of what Bond is. I feel Bond being white is a relatively normal attribute, much like him being male.
I feel Bond being white is a relatively normal attribute, much like him being male.
But, maybe I'm being a bit narrow minded then?
Back when X-Men came out I had a REAL problem with Wolverine being over 5'5"...
But Jackman made Wolvie his own.
Look, we all have our preconceptions, but the main thing is a great performance in a great film IMHO.
Basically, my favourite Bond films were made in the 20th Century. I'll always have them at my beck & call.
A short, blond Bond? Cool. A black Bond? Go for it. A female Bond? Haywire showed it might be done.
My last word here: if not period pieces, the films move on. As Spock said, "Change is the essential nature of all existence."
I feel Bond being white is a relatively normal attribute, much like him being male.
But, maybe I'm being a bit narrow minded then?
Back when X-Men came out I had a REAL problem with Wolverine being over 5'5"...
But Jackman made Wolvie his own.
Look, we all have our preconceptions, but the main thing is a great performance in a great film IMHO.
Basically, my favourite Bond films were made in the 20th Century. I'll always have them at my beck & call.
A short, blond Bond? Cool. A black Bond? Go for it. A female Bond? Haywire showed it might be done.
My last word here: if not period pieces, the films move on. As Spock said, "Change is the essential nature of all existence."
Well, all I can say is, well said. I suppose you guys make some valid points here. I just find it hard to accept at this point, it's the preconceptions like you said. But like I mentioned above, to be fair I do know a lot of black actors who I think would do great and are surely able to convince me. So if it ever happens, I guess it will grow on me.
But still, seriously how much influence does Sony have on Bond anyway? Anyone?
So, why not remake Gone With the Wind and make Rhett Butler a Latino? Come on!! Ian Fleming defined a character. I have nothing against a black super spy, just don't call him James Bond. Shakespeare had Othello as black and I don't see people clamoring to have a white actor play that role. If Broccoli and Wilson want to test the waters and see how many people don't see a James Bond movie as compared to those in the past, then go for it. It will just further show they care nothing for the character and only feel the need to feed their egos. Guess their parents didn't teach them much about respect.
If Broccoli and Wilson want to test the waters and see how many people don't see a James Bond movie as compared to those in the past, then go for it. It will just further show they care nothing for the character and only feel the need to feed their egos. Guess their parents didn't teach them much about respect.
You might be missing a bit of the point here. If Bond is continually updated to reflect the present, and is not presented as a 'period' Bond, then what's to say a black (or female) Bond couldn't be? Bond born in the 90's needn't BE the Bond born in the early 20th Century with all the baggage of the time. Seriously.
Well, I must say I am surprised. I have been concerned that this thread might have caused trouble but this is not what I was fearing.
stag, there is no need to insult fellow members by calling us "nodding dogs". And I assure you that Sir Miles is not a man who hides behind his position- he would call you out on what you said anyway, and isn't trigger-happy.
Edit- oh, and there aren't too many youngsters around here...
(TP, the word is "cannon" in this context)
This is good to hear. I'm sure you also understand there is no need to insult members by making derisory remarks against them in response to comments from the POV of moderation when the 'issue' could have been resolved far more neutrally - go back a page or two & re read.
Now I shall return to topic.
The implication being that I have not been following this thread, and need to go back a page or two? Don't make such assumptions.
After rereading this thread I can't help but think .......
If I wanted a conversation full of vitriol, anger, insults and nastiness.
I'll talk to the wife ! )
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Some people start the day in learned discourse, to raise their spirits and
To raise themselves higher to more understand the great spirit of the universe.
I on the other hand, start it to prove I know everything and I'm the Best
At everything, and am generally Great! )
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Keep hope alive, TP. You never know!
How much influence does Sony have on the movies anyway? I assumed it were United Artists and EON themselves that ultimately controled Bond..
My own opinion: Bond should be white. For the same obvious reasons that it would be just as strange if a white actor would portray Nelson Mandela. Or if a female would be chosen as the next Bond.
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I always find these types of comparisons to be very strange. James Bond is a fictional character. To me that makes a real difference. That's not to say that there might not be significant issues with making Bond Black, but it's clearly not the same thing.
You're right, fictional characters are not real. But that doesn't mean one doesn't have a vision of what Bond should be. I think it's the same that he should never be female. Don't get me wrong though, I loved how they made both Felix Leiter and Moneypenny black in their latest incarnations. They are probably my favorite versions of those characters portrayed so far.
But I feel an actor that is playing James Bond should atleast meet certain demands. I would love to play James Bond myself as well, but even if I was a terrific actor that spoke accentless English and had the perfect looks, I would probably not get the part for the simple reason that I'm Dutch, and people have a certain vision of what the character should be. (Atleast his gender/ heritage / ethnicity etc)
But my other question remains, how much does Sony have to do with Bond anyway?
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I get your point, but I think you are overstating just a bit. Remember, Lazenby got the part despite being Austrailian and not exactly speaking "accentless" English. But he had the familiar look and ethnicity for sure.
True, but those were clearly different times as the guy wasn't even an actor and somehow got the role. (It's still beyond me that it actually happened that a model got to follow up Connery!)
It's not to say that maybe if the next Bond would indeed be black my opinion wouldn't change, I have memories of not being fond of the choice of Craig because he didn't look like Bond. But he clearly proofed he was very good! And to be fair, there are a lot of good black and English actors out there who i'm sure could convince me too.
But as of now, I personally feel it just wouldn't be right...
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Sarcasm and childish insults...I'm impressed 8-)
And, to clarify, this isn't a pub....just in case you were confused...
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Mandela is a historical figure. Audiences expect actors playing historical figures to resemble said figures. A more appropriate comparison would be Ryan Gosling as Shaft.
Anyway the motion picture industry is rather risk-averse. Look at the casting the the 2009 Star Trek reboot.
Precisely my point! -{
I think nicely sums up some of your posts.
Loose Canon On Deck.
stag, there is no need to insult fellow members by calling us "nodding dogs". And I assure you that Sir Miles is not a man who hides behind his position- he would call you out on what you said anyway, and isn't trigger-happy.
Edit- oh, and there aren't too many youngsters around here...
(TP, the word is "cannon" in this context)
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Yes fair enough, I understood Blackleiters point in this as well. But like I explained above, I feel there are certain requirements one would have to meet to become my vision of what Bond is. I feel Bond being white is a relatively normal attribute, much like him being male.
But, maybe I'm being a bit narrow minded then?
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But Jackman made Wolvie his own.
Look, we all have our preconceptions, but the main thing is a great performance in a great film IMHO.
Basically, my favourite Bond films were made in the 20th Century. I'll always have them at my beck & call.
A short, blond Bond? Cool. A black Bond? Go for it. A female Bond? Haywire showed it might be done.
My last word here: if not period pieces, the films move on. As Spock said, "Change is the essential nature of all existence."
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Well, all I can say is, well said. I suppose you guys make some valid points here. I just find it hard to accept at this point, it's the preconceptions like you said. But like I mentioned above, to be fair I do know a lot of black actors who I think would do great and are surely able to convince me. So if it ever happens, I guess it will grow on me.
But still, seriously how much influence does Sony have on Bond anyway? Anyone?
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The implication being that I have not been following this thread, and need to go back a page or two? Don't make such assumptions.
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Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
If I wanted a conversation full of vitriol, anger, insults and nastiness.
I'll talk to the wife !
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
To raise themselves higher to more understand the great spirit of the universe.
I on the other hand, start it to prove I know everything and I'm the Best
At everything, and am generally Great!
Mm-hm... no re-read required, this thread is at present the most closely watched on this site.
(and Higgins, you started the spelling thing)