Well seeing as Die Another Day was my first Bond film in the cinema
And you actually became a Bond fan after that?!?
This thread has something to do with Film Order. I can't imagine anyone becoming a Bond fan if the film order for them was DIE ANOTHER DAY being first.
Is it your intention in your bullish "New York" manner to belittle and refute everyone's posts here?
Huh? It's called conversation, friendly give and take. Are we all supposed to just agree with every single post at this site. Is that what you want?
Dude, forums exist because they are a sharing of differing thoughts and opinions. I enjoy hearing others' thoughts that may not be the same as mine. I'm not insecure. I like many Roger Moore Bond films, if another person does not, I can take and accept that view. In fact, I prefer a contrarian view. If I want the same opinions as my own, I'd talk to a mirror.
I echo Higgins' comment: do you have anything substantial to say?
Once again, with no film deal in place, tell me exactly how Thunderball was written for film?
You lot do not seem to want to accept that I am correct and you are cobbling together all manner of smoke and mirrors to make your argument. History - ever hear of that? - history proves that I am correct. Fleming's "Thunderball" project became, get this, a book, not a film. Got that? What Fleming wrote with Bryce, McClory, Cuneo became a BOOK! Not a film. Oh, sure it became a film later, but Thunderball's initial unveiling to the public was a Bond novel. You should read it sometime, a cracking good novel. NOVEL! Got that?
With no film deal in place, what Fleming was really writing was the basis for another Bond novel. Fleming knew that, I know that, why don't you?
No, that's not substantial- it's merely repetition of your earlier attempt to divert attention away from your earlier incorrect statement:
"Thunderball" was originally a draft for a TV show.
There hasn't been any sign of you backing that up. Instead, you are the person "cobbling together all manner of smoke and mirrors" to avoid discussing your belief that TB "was originally a draft for a TV show". Your rude manner and throwing in of gratuitous insults are merely diversionary tactics.
So, since you seem to like repetition here it is again:
That's not possible Barbel, as two Thunderball ultra fans we know the FACTS. And I'm pleased to see you join the fray, your historical knowledge is so far unsurpassed.
With no diversionary answers and no insults, back that up.
OK, and you had better offer a sincere apology when you see that I am right (I always am) and you were wrong.
Apart from newspaper serials of Bond books, the talk back in those very early days for use of Bond outside of the novels was solely television. The projects being offered up to Fleming in those early days were tv adaptations ("Casino Royale," "From Russia With Love") or a 44 episode Bond television series. Then came a very vague film proposal from some nascent production company called Xanadu involving a rather sketchy fellow named McClory. Fleming himself knew that was a pipe dream at best and saw television as the surer way for Bond to expand. With that in mind -- an no firm film deal in place! -- Fleming geared his writings toward television. Included in that writing was the work he did with the Xanadu crew....that work we would later call "Thunderball."
To sum up, Fleming knew (and history proved him to be correct on this) that the Xanadu/McClory film thing was nothing but bullshit. With that in the back of his head, he proceeded to write Bond stories with a mind towards television. So,yes, many Bond stories, many germs of ideas for Bond stories at that time (including the basis for "Thunderball') were written with television in mind.
And all that happened before the novel was released! The thing here is that Bryce introduced mcclory to Fleming, the ensuing debacle and Flemings death was resultant om that meeting!
No, you're not always right- for example, your statement earlier in this thread about John Brosnan's "James Bond In The Cinema" and Kingsley Amis' "The James Bond Dossier", where you either didn't know or had forgotten about the three other books I cited.
Check the ending of Chapter 1 of "The Battle For Bond" where the intention to make "a full length motion picture feature" by Xanadu Productions is discussed, with quotes from the relevant parties. Again and again the words "film", "cinema" etc appear. No mention of TV.
-{ I think we connoisseurs of Bond all agree on some basic Bond fact, history and law. But to the uneducated it's like bouncing a tennis ball off a brick wall........ 8-)
Are you out of your mind. My post above was the most accurate and scholarly thing ever written here. You should have said, "Thanks, Chula, for such good work."
Just gonna leave this here.
All I can say about this forum is that the portrayal of New Yorkers in Ghostbusters 2 is absolutely spot on.
A newbie? Uhhh, I happen to be the biggest Bond fan probably on Earth. A newbie? Uhh, did you see OHMSS in the theaters? I did. Heck, I even saw YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE in the theater. What was your first Bond film in the theater...SKYFALL?
Good for you. Ever consider that maybe not everyone saw a Bond movie in a cinema as early as you because, oh, I don't know, maybe they were too young at the time? Or not even born at that point?
Now compare that certain-death-to-come conveyor belt scene with a similar scene of Connery's -- his laser table scene in GOLDFINGER. See the way Sean played that scene? No crying and whining like a baby like Dalton. Just super-cool, can see his mind working a way out of it, even a bit nasty towards his abductor. Dalton was horrendous, played Bond like a panicky little girl. I still can't believe he played Bond the way he did in that scene.
I have to disagree - Bond is clearly sweating, and judging by how Connery delivers some of the lines, he's clearly feeling the pressure and and saying anything he thinks will help him. I'd say Bond acts quite similar in both scenes, really.
When it comes to Bond, very few people know more than Chula. Admittedly I know zilch about the Brosnan and McQueen films. I've seen those films once, vomited, and never viewed them again. However, when it comes to the first dozen or so films, no one can match the Bond knowledge that Chula possesses.
Referring to yourself in the third person? Oooooh, what a villain.
Hey, it's all just a good give and take about something rather inconsequential to the world - 007 films. If we can't have a good time talking about Bond films, then the world really is in trouble.
Just another one of your contradictory quotes I'm going to leave here.
Ever consider that maybe not everyone saw a Bond movie in a cinema as early as you because, oh, I don't know, maybe they were too young at the time? Or not even born at that point?
Then you should sit back and learn from others who have seen OHMSS in the theater like myself.
Listen, here in New York we have an iconic baseball team called the New York Yankees. I saw many years of their games, but I sure never saw Babe Ruth play. When it comes to him and those older Yankees I politely sit back and listen to those that were there. I can do that, why can't others do that when it comes to matters of James Bond? I know Bond from his early days, just sit back and enjoy the first-hand knowledge I have to give.
I'll give you a fine example: you know in THE SPY WHO LOVED ME when Bond appears on the jet-ski? Well, that scene brought the house down. Today, not a giggle...because jet-skis are as common as cars. But back in 1977, the appearance of a guy riding what looked like a motorcycle across the sea, well, that was hilarious and did in fact bring great laughter to us in the audience of TSWLM. See, that's something you will not know of Bond unless you were old enough to be there. You can learn a lot from Chula. Not being arrogant just being helpful.
Read that incredible "The Battle For Bond" book. I hesitated for years reading that -- I thought it would just be dull legal proceedings. Boy, was I wrong. Entertaining as hell book.
Check the ending of Chapter 1 of "The Battle For Bond" where the intention to make "a full length motion picture feature" by Xanadu Productions is discussed, with quotes from the relevant parties. Again and again the words "film", "cinema" etc appear. No mention of TV.
Ever consider that maybe not everyone saw a Bond movie in a cinema as early as you because, oh, I don't know, maybe they were too young at the time? Or not even born at that point?
Then you should sit back and learn from others who have seen OHMSS in the theater like myself.
Listen, here in New York we have an iconic baseball team called the New York Yankees. I saw many years of their games, but I sure never saw Babe Ruth play. When it comes to him and those older Yankees I politely sit back and listen to those that were there. I can do that, why can't others do that when it comes to matters of James Bond? I know Bond from his early days, just sit back and enjoy the first-hand knowledge I have to give.
I'll give you a fine example: you know in THE SPY WHO LOVED ME when Bond appears on the jet-ski? Well, that scene brought the house down. Today, not a giggle...because jet-skis are as common as cars. But back in 1977, the appearance of a guy riding what looked like a motorcycle across the sea, well, that was hilarious and did in fact bring great laughter to us in the audience of TSWLM. See, that's something you will not know of Bond unless you were old enough to be there. You can learn a lot from Chula. Not being arrogant just being helpful.
I knew that, actually. What you're suggesting is that if I didn't see he early movies in the cinema like you, I must know nothing. But that is not the case, because I am capable of researching, to quote you, history - ever heard of that?
How could you unless you were in the theater and heard the house roar with laughter?
There is no Bond book on the market that says the best laugh in TSWLM was when Bond skitters across the sea on a jet ski.
Sorry, kid, you missed out. You have the Steve McQueen/Pervert and Waste Bond films, others like me had the Connery/Moore/Cubby/Richard Maibaum/Ken Adam/John Barry Bond films. But all is not lost. I can share my Bond info and experiences for you. You should sit back and listen.
Could this guy get more clichéd? OK New York, Trump tick, Yankees tick, babe Ruth tick.
And of course if you've never heard an audience laugh at a jet ski then you know diddly squat about bond. Give me a break
How could you unless you were in the theater and heard the house roar with laughter?
There is no Bond book on the market that says the best laugh in TSWLM was when Bond skitters across the sea on a jet ski.
Sorry, kid, you missed out. You have the Steve McQueen/Pervert and Waste Bond films, others like me had the Connery/Moore/Cubby/Richard Maibaum/Ken Adam/John Barry Bond films. But all is not lost. I can share my Bond info and experiences for you. You should sit back and listen.
The jet ski (or Wet Bike as it is called in the film) was definitely a novelty for the time, and people certainly would have reacted that way to it - that's exactly what you'd expect. Nowhere in your post about the wet bike did you say it was the BEST laugh in the film, you just said it brought 'great laughter'.
Best laughs in the film were the following:
- jet ski
- Jaws emerging from the house and dusting himself off
- Bond while in the Lotus giving the fish to guy on beach
Well seeing as Die Another Day was my first Bond film in the cinema
And you actually became a Bond fan after that?!?
This thread has something to do with Film Order. I can't imagine anyone becoming a Bond fan if the film order for them was DIE ANOTHER DAY being first.
No I had seen all of the Bond films before then and was quite a fan however they were all viewed through the TV. Die Another Day was my first Bond cinema going experience.
In an attempt to dampen the flames on this thread, I see you are passionate Chula, however I do feel that you wrong on this issue. Fleming and his pal Ivar Bryce discussed writing a Bond film around 1958 and teamed up with McClory and Ernest Cuneo and together they knocked out numerous film treatments and screenplays. Then Whittingham was brought in by McClory to help and he also knocked out a script, and Fleming chose the title; Thunderball.
After which Fleming used the story ideas for his novel, and foolishly did not credit McClory or Whittingham. Hence the legal debacle that followed. Quite obviously, there is a lot more to it than that, but this is essentially what happened. It is widely accepted as fact and is detailed and mentioned in many Bond related publications, including the Everything Or Nothing documentary. Case closed
No, you're not always right- for example, your statement earlier in this thread about John Brosnan's "James Bond In The Cinema" and Kingsley Amis' "The James Bond Dossier", where you either didn't know or had forgotten about the three other books I cited.
Check the ending of Chapter 1 of "The Battle For Bond" where the intention to make "a full length motion picture feature" by Xanadu Productions is discussed, with quotes from the relevant parties. Again and again the words "film", "cinema" etc appear. No mention of TV.
Short story titles became the way to go ("Octopussy, "From A View To A Kill," "The Living Daylights"), and then titles they simply made up.
So, you deny that "Casino Royale" and "Quantum Of Solace" are Fleming titles, then? Without your customary insults and wandering off-topic, let's see you back that up.
Ever consider that maybe not everyone saw a Bond movie in a cinema as early as you because, oh, I don't know, maybe they were too young at the time? Or not even born at that point?
Then you should sit back and learn from others who have seen OHMSS in the theater like myself.
Listen, here in New York we have an iconic baseball team called the New York Yankees. I saw many years of their games, but I sure never saw Babe Ruth play. When it comes to him and those older Yankees I politely sit back and listen to those that were there. I can do that, why can't others do that when it comes to matters of James Bond? I know Bond from his early days, just sit back and enjoy the first-hand knowledge I have to give.
I'll give you a fine example: you know in THE SPY WHO LOVED ME when Bond appears on the jet-ski? Well, that scene brought the house down. Today, not a giggle...because jet-skis are as common as cars. But back in 1977, the appearance of a guy riding what looked like a motorcycle across the sea, well, that was hilarious and did in fact bring great laughter to us in the audience of TSWLM. See, that's something you will not know of Bond unless you were old enough to be there. You can learn a lot from Chula. Not being arrogant just being helpful.
TSWLM is my favorite Bond film even though it was released many years before I was born.
I enjoy hearing your first hand accounts of seeing these classic films the cinema. Your 007 street cred goes without question, but keep in mind that your AJB cred is close to zero. You've only been a member since January. Maybe you should politely sit back and get a feel for what the other Bond fans have to say.
My current 10 favorite:
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
I enjoy hearing your first hand accounts of seeing these classic films the cinema.
I'll share some more:
- OHMSS
I distinctly remember a big roar of approval and applause from some audience members when Bond left that ski platform and started his nighttime escape from Piz Gloria. I suppose the film was viewed by many as a somewhat draggy film. When Bond arrives at Piz Gloria any action in the film really does disappear for a long stretch of time; so when Bond makes that go down the mountainside, yeah, it was an opportunity for audiences to liven up and cheer and get ready for a great time.
- OCTOPUSSY
Biggest laugh in the film is towards the end when Khan/Louis Jordan - and you have to remember this is suave debonair Louis Jordan of GiGi fame - tsks tsks Maud Adams and says, "Octopussy...Octo-pussy." Sure we all knew the title of the film was a hoot, but when Jordan says it twice in a row with as much mock-seriousness as he can muster, man, the house laughed so hard.
A rather odd bit of audience laughter was when Bond gets by the security man at the American air base and the security guard alerts others by saying, "And he's wearing a red shirt." I didn't understand at the time why that brought big laughs from the audience. Still don't. I suppose it was the way the actor said it as though wearing a red shirt was extremely dangerous and you should be very careful. Just saying that "wearing a red shirt" line did get a big laugh.
Nobody laughed at the "Sit" command that Bond gave to the tiger. I knew what they were getting at (Barbara Woodhouse) but nobody else in my New York audience did. No laugh from "Si-it."
- LICENCE TO KILL
While walking out of the theater the crowd was just glum. Very unsatisfied. I can still hear the guy who was walking in front of me saying to his girlfriend, "That was the worst Bond film ever."
- SPY WHO LOVED ME
Yes, when the parachute opens up the audience clapped and cheered wildly. Was a real "Holy sh!t" moment. One of the best I have ever experienced in a movie theater.
The love of Jaws was palpable. Totally understand why that character was brought back. Everything Jaws did in SWLM was greeted with enjoyable laughter from the audience. Heck, the audience loved Jaws more than Bond in that film.
Comments
This thread has something to do with Film Order. I can't imagine anyone becoming a Bond fan if the film order for them was DIE ANOTHER DAY being first.
Dude, forums exist because they are a sharing of differing thoughts and opinions. I enjoy hearing others' thoughts that may not be the same as mine. I'm not insecure. I like many Roger Moore Bond films, if another person does not, I can take and accept that view. In fact, I prefer a contrarian view. If I want the same opinions as my own, I'd talk to a mirror.
No, that's not substantial- it's merely repetition of your earlier attempt to divert attention away from your earlier incorrect statement:
There hasn't been any sign of you backing that up. Instead, you are the person "cobbling together all manner of smoke and mirrors" to avoid discussing your belief that TB "was originally a draft for a TV show". Your rude manner and throwing in of gratuitous insults are merely diversionary tactics.
So, since you seem to like repetition here it is again:
With no diversionary answers and no insults, back that up.
OK, and you had better offer a sincere apology when you see that I am right (I always am) and you were wrong.
Apart from newspaper serials of Bond books, the talk back in those very early days for use of Bond outside of the novels was solely television. The projects being offered up to Fleming in those early days were tv adaptations ("Casino Royale," "From Russia With Love") or a 44 episode Bond television series. Then came a very vague film proposal from some nascent production company called Xanadu involving a rather sketchy fellow named McClory. Fleming himself knew that was a pipe dream at best and saw television as the surer way for Bond to expand. With that in mind -- an no firm film deal in place! -- Fleming geared his writings toward television. Included in that writing was the work he did with the Xanadu crew....that work we would later call "Thunderball."
To sum up, Fleming knew (and history proved him to be correct on this) that the Xanadu/McClory film thing was nothing but bullshit. With that in the back of his head, he proceeded to write Bond stories with a mind towards television. So,yes, many Bond stories, many germs of ideas for Bond stories at that time (including the basis for "Thunderball') were written with television in mind.
No, you're not always right- for example, your statement earlier in this thread about John Brosnan's "James Bond In The Cinema" and Kingsley Amis' "The James Bond Dossier", where you either didn't know or had forgotten about the three other books I cited.
Check the ending of Chapter 1 of "The Battle For Bond" where the intention to make "a full length motion picture feature" by Xanadu Productions is discussed, with quotes from the relevant parties. Again and again the words "film", "cinema" etc appear. No mention of TV.
Just gonna leave this here.
All I can say about this forum is that the portrayal of New Yorkers in Ghostbusters 2 is absolutely spot on.
Good for you. Ever consider that maybe not everyone saw a Bond movie in a cinema as early as you because, oh, I don't know, maybe they were too young at the time? Or not even born at that point?
I have to disagree - Bond is clearly sweating, and judging by how Connery delivers some of the lines, he's clearly feeling the pressure and and saying anything he thinks will help him. I'd say Bond acts quite similar in both scenes, really.
Referring to yourself in the third person? Oooooh, what a villain.
Just another one of your contradictory quotes I'm going to leave here.
Listen, here in New York we have an iconic baseball team called the New York Yankees. I saw many years of their games, but I sure never saw Babe Ruth play. When it comes to him and those older Yankees I politely sit back and listen to those that were there. I can do that, why can't others do that when it comes to matters of James Bond? I know Bond from his early days, just sit back and enjoy the first-hand knowledge I have to give.
I'll give you a fine example: you know in THE SPY WHO LOVED ME when Bond appears on the jet-ski? Well, that scene brought the house down. Today, not a giggle...because jet-skis are as common as cars. But back in 1977, the appearance of a guy riding what looked like a motorcycle across the sea, well, that was hilarious and did in fact bring great laughter to us in the audience of TSWLM. See, that's something you will not know of Bond unless you were old enough to be there. You can learn a lot from Chula. Not being arrogant just being helpful.
I knew that, actually. What you're suggesting is that if I didn't see he early movies in the cinema like you, I must know nothing. But that is not the case, because I am capable of researching, to quote you, history - ever heard of that?
There is no Bond book on the market that says the best laugh in TSWLM was when Bond skitters across the sea on a jet ski.
Sorry, kid, you missed out. You have the Steve McQueen/Pervert and Waste Bond films, others like me had the Connery/Moore/Cubby/Richard Maibaum/Ken Adam/John Barry Bond films. But all is not lost. I can share my Bond info and experiences for you. You should sit back and listen.
And of course if you've never heard an audience laugh at a jet ski then you know diddly squat about bond. Give me a break
The jet ski (or Wet Bike as it is called in the film) was definitely a novelty for the time, and people certainly would have reacted that way to it - that's exactly what you'd expect. Nowhere in your post about the wet bike did you say it was the BEST laugh in the film, you just said it brought 'great laughter'.
- jet ski
- Jaws emerging from the house and dusting himself off
- Bond while in the Lotus giving the fish to guy on beach
No I had seen all of the Bond films before then and was quite a fan however they were all viewed through the TV. Die Another Day was my first Bond cinema going experience.
In an attempt to dampen the flames on this thread, I see you are passionate Chula, however I do feel that you wrong on this issue. Fleming and his pal Ivar Bryce discussed writing a Bond film around 1958 and teamed up with McClory and Ernest Cuneo and together they knocked out numerous film treatments and screenplays. Then Whittingham was brought in by McClory to help and he also knocked out a script, and Fleming chose the title; Thunderball.
After which Fleming used the story ideas for his novel, and foolishly did not credit McClory or Whittingham. Hence the legal debacle that followed. Quite obviously, there is a lot more to it than that, but this is essentially what happened. It is widely accepted as fact and is detailed and mentioned in many Bond related publications, including the Everything Or Nothing documentary. Case closed
No glib remark? No pithy comeback?
I thought not. Now that your statement
has been disproven by the very book you cited, shall we move to another of your inaccuracies?
So, you deny that "Casino Royale" and "Quantum Of Solace" are Fleming titles, then? Without your customary insults and wandering off-topic, let's see you back that up.
YES! YES!
Not everything he's gotten totally wrong!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
TSWLM is my favorite Bond film even though it was released many years before I was born.
I enjoy hearing your first hand accounts of seeing these classic films the cinema. Your 007 street cred goes without question, but keep in mind that your AJB cred is close to zero. You've only been a member since January. Maybe you should politely sit back and get a feel for what the other Bond fans have to say.
1. GE 2. MR 3. OP 4. TMWTGG 5. TSWLM 6. TND 7. TWINE 8.DN 9. GF 10. AVTAK
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
- OHMSS
I distinctly remember a big roar of approval and applause from some audience members when Bond left that ski platform and started his nighttime escape from Piz Gloria. I suppose the film was viewed by many as a somewhat draggy film. When Bond arrives at Piz Gloria any action in the film really does disappear for a long stretch of time; so when Bond makes that go down the mountainside, yeah, it was an opportunity for audiences to liven up and cheer and get ready for a great time.
- OCTOPUSSY
Biggest laugh in the film is towards the end when Khan/Louis Jordan - and you have to remember this is suave debonair Louis Jordan of GiGi fame - tsks tsks Maud Adams and says, "Octopussy...Octo-pussy." Sure we all knew the title of the film was a hoot, but when Jordan says it twice in a row with as much mock-seriousness as he can muster, man, the house laughed so hard.
A rather odd bit of audience laughter was when Bond gets by the security man at the American air base and the security guard alerts others by saying, "And he's wearing a red shirt." I didn't understand at the time why that brought big laughs from the audience. Still don't. I suppose it was the way the actor said it as though wearing a red shirt was extremely dangerous and you should be very careful. Just saying that "wearing a red shirt" line did get a big laugh.
Nobody laughed at the "Sit" command that Bond gave to the tiger. I knew what they were getting at (Barbara Woodhouse) but nobody else in my New York audience did. No laugh from "Si-it."
- LICENCE TO KILL
While walking out of the theater the crowd was just glum. Very unsatisfied. I can still hear the guy who was walking in front of me saying to his girlfriend, "That was the worst Bond film ever."
- SPY WHO LOVED ME
Yes, when the parachute opens up the audience clapped and cheered wildly. Was a real "Holy sh!t" moment. One of the best I have ever experienced in a movie theater.
The love of Jaws was palpable. Totally understand why that character was brought back. Everything Jaws did in SWLM was greeted with enjoyable laughter from the audience. Heck, the audience loved Jaws more than Bond in that film.