Anyone ever wonder why they couldn't get a director as good as Terence

JohnNintendoNerdJohnNintendoNerd Lake Elmo, MinnesotaPosts: 48MI6 Agent
edited February 2011 in The James Bond Films
....Young to direct films from the Roger Moore era? Because whoever directed those films is a talentless hack in my opinion. -{
"Your orders were to shoot that sniper!"

"Stuff my orders! I only kill professionals. That woman didn't know one end of a rifle from the other. Go ahead, tell M. what you want. If he fires me, I'll thank him for it."

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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    most of the "fans", who look down on Moore's movies forget 2 things: Cinema equals entertainment! Especially in the 70s and 80s! Movies had to be big, funny and entertaining. Period!

    So continuing the darker tone from FRWL in the 70s and 80s would have probably killed the series.

    Connery fans seem to forget DAF where the "lighter" tone of the series has been set. I personally find it a terrible movie, worse than most of the Moore outings but it brought bis $$ to the box offices. And at the end of the day, that's what counts in the movie industry.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • JohnNintendoNerdJohnNintendoNerd Lake Elmo, MinnesotaPosts: 48MI6 Agent
    Bondtoys wrote:
    most of the "fans", who look down on Moore's movies forget 2 things: Cinema equals entertainment! Especially in the 70s and 80s! Movies had to be big, funny and entertaining. Period!

    So continuing the darker tone from FRWL in the 70s and 80s would have probably killed the series.

    Connery fans seem to forget DAF where the "lighter" tone of the series has been set. I personally find it a terrible movie, worse than most of the Moore outings but it brought bis $$ to the box offices. And at the end of the day, that's what counts in the movie industry.


    I know I'm just saying that none of the directors who took over after Terence Young had left were never ever as good as him. As far as directorial skill goes. The only director who was several notches above Terence Young was Alfred Hitchcock and that man never directed a Bond film in his life!!!
    "Your orders were to shoot that sniper!"

    "Stuff my orders! I only kill professionals. That woman didn't know one end of a rifle from the other. Go ahead, tell M. what you want. If he fires me, I'll thank him for it."
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Well, to my opinion Peter Hunt (OHMSS) was a hell of a director. His enthusiasm was like a boy, who's being locked in a toy store. Also Campbell did a terrfic job in Casino (I am not so impressed about GE but that's just me) and John Glen's FYEO was also superb. So all in all, the reboots had very good direction performances imho.

    But as you rate Young being the second best director after Hitch, it'll be difficult for you to find a better one than him 8-)
    I am a bit confused.....
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • JohnNintendoNerdJohnNintendoNerd Lake Elmo, MinnesotaPosts: 48MI6 Agent
    edited February 2011
    Bondtoys wrote:
    Well, to my opinion Peter Hunt (OHMSS) was a hell of a director. His enthusiasm was like a boy, who's being locked in a toy store.

    But as you rate Young being the second best director after Hitch, it'll be difficult for you to find a better one than him 8-)
    I am a bit confused.....

    Peter Hunt was pretty good I guess but he didn't stick around now, did he? Hunt was like Lazenby one film and then he was out the GOD DAMN DOOR!!!! Anyway I wasn't talking about Hunt, seeing as he didn't direct any of the Roger Moore films....I was talking about the hacks who actually did direct the Roger Moore movies. Yeah, those damn guys were no good IMHO. Terence Young was practically a master director when compared to those other guys.

    Also why shouldn't you give Terence Young the praise and respect that he deserves, hmmm? I mean this is the guy who created James Bond. The silver screen James Bond. Did you actually think that Sean Connery was suave and sophisticated? No, no, no, Terence Young taught him how to be like that but unfortunately, since Young's Bond films were made so very long ago not a lot of people are aware of that fact.

    By the way I hate John Glen because he was one of those hacks I mentioned and Martin Campbell, I can take or leave.
    "Your orders were to shoot that sniper!"

    "Stuff my orders! I only kill professionals. That woman didn't know one end of a rifle from the other. Go ahead, tell M. what you want. If he fires me, I'll thank him for it."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    John Glenn made no classic movies outside the Bond series.
    Guy Hamilton made several classics (The Colditz Story, Battle of Britain)
    Lewis Gilbert also made classics (Alfie, Educating Rita)

    I don't agree that Bond didn't get good directors during the Moore years. John Glenn looks like the weak link. He made some of the worst Bonds ever (Moonraker, View to a kill), but also some of the best (The spy who loved me, License to kill)
  • JADE66JADE66 Posts: 238MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    John Glenn made no classic movies outside the Bond series.
    Guy Hamilton made several classics (The Colditz Story, Battle of Britain)
    Lewis Gilbert also made classics (Alfie, Educating Rita)

    I don't agree that Bond didn't get good directors during the Moore years. John Glenn looks like the weak link. He made some of the worst Bonds ever (Moonraker, View to a kill), but also some of the best (The spy who loved me, License to kill)
    Correction. John Glen did not direct Moonraker. Lewis Gilbert did.
    While Young was a fine director and did an excellent job with the Bond films he directed, I believe that Martin Campbell's handling of CR was among the very best efforts I've seen in the Bond series. Peter Hunt did an extraordinary job with OHMSS and Guy Hamilton, who replaced Young when he he left to direct The Amorous Adventures of Moll Flanders brought a tautness and humor(for better or worse) to the film that complimented Ken Adam's glittering set pieces.
    While the Young films, Dr. No, FRWL and Thunderball remain my favorites in the Bond film series I am not ready to dismiss so easily the work done by others. -{
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Also why shouldn't you give Terence Young the praise and respect that he deserves, hmmm?

    Well, your question "why they couldn't get a director as good as Terence Young" is obviously only rhetorical.
    For you, TY is the second best director after Hitch, so, what do you want?
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • JohnNintendoNerdJohnNintendoNerd Lake Elmo, MinnesotaPosts: 48MI6 Agent
    edited February 2011
    Number24 wrote:
    John Glenn made no classic movies outside the Bond series.

    I don't agree that Bond didn't get good directors during the Moore years. John Glenn looks like the weak link. He made some of the worst Bonds ever (Moonraker, A View to a kill), but also some of the best (The Spy Who Loved Me, License to Kill)

    You're getting your Bond directors mixed up. As someone else had already said, Lewis Gilbert directed Moonraker but Gilbert also directed the prior film, The Spy Who Loved Me. I guess John Glen is so bland of a director that anybody could mix up his work with Lewis Gilbert's.

    Anyway I will give Glen credit though, he directed five Bond films in a row. For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy, A View to a Kill, The Living Daylights, and Licence to Kill. But ironically only 2 out of 5, of those Bond films are actually GOOD so in the end it's about quality not quantity and I guess Martin Campbell understood the value of quality over quantity so that's probably why he left the Bond directing chair after only one film each time he helmed a Bond picture.

    By the way have you seen these somewhat negative reviews of Diamonds Are Forever, Live and Let Die, and The Man with the Golden Gun? I find them amusing for some reason.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOqAvGCJJ-0 Diamonds Are Forever

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYBqREL4ZkU Live and Let Die

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocYxhSC-z6c The Man with the Golden Gun

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VYU9i9EvvY The Man with the Golden Gun (A Second Opinion)

    Anyway I know these guys are YouTube geeks and not legit reviews but who cares? I mean do you honestly care about what an elitist reviewer thinks?
    "Your orders were to shoot that sniper!"

    "Stuff my orders! I only kill professionals. That woman didn't know one end of a rifle from the other. Go ahead, tell M. what you want. If he fires me, I'll thank him for it."
  • JohnNintendoNerdJohnNintendoNerd Lake Elmo, MinnesotaPosts: 48MI6 Agent
    edited February 2011
    Bondtoys wrote:
    Also why shouldn't you give Terence Young the praise and respect that he deserves, hmmm?

    Well, your question "why they couldn't get a director as good as Terence Young" is obviously only rhetorical.
    For you, TY is the second best director after Hitch, so, what do you want?

    I'm just saying that Terence Young made James Bond what he was, and kicked off one monster of a movie franchise but did any of the directors who took over in the 70's do their best to sort of live up to the standard of quality that Young had set? I don't think so. I believe Young had kind of set the bar way too high for them. And you can argue with me until you're blue in the face but you'll never convince me otherwise. I mean Terence Young wasn't like Guy Hamilton. I think Young made one good Bond film (Dr. No) one great Bond film (From Russia with Love) and one ever so slightly below average Bond film. (Thunderball.)

    Now there's no question that Guy Hamilton created one amazing at best and slightly overrated at worst Bond film but he also made two awful Bond films and one mediocre Bond film. But I suppose there's the possibility that Guy made Diamonds, Let Die, and Golden Gun purposely like that because he didn't want to direct Bond movies anymore. So it took two sub-par quality Bond pictures and one bland Bond picture for Harry Saltzman and Chubby Broccoli to realize that maybe just maybe Hamilton isn't the right man for the job anymore. Soon after Lewis Gilbert came back but his Bond follow-ups were sort of on the same level of quality as You Only Live Twice in my humble opinion. Only instead of having an extremely wooden Sean Connery, Gilbert had a Roger Moore who thought the role was a joke.

    "James Bond isn't a spy. Because everybody knows who he is. That isn't a spy because spies come in from the cold." (Okay, it isn't an exact quote but you get thee idea.)
    "Your orders were to shoot that sniper!"

    "Stuff my orders! I only kill professionals. That woman didn't know one end of a rifle from the other. Go ahead, tell M. what you want. If he fires me, I'll thank him for it."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    John Glenn made no classic movies outside the Bond series.

    I don't agree that Bond didn't get good directors during the Moore years. John Glenn looks like the weak link. He made some of the worst Bonds ever (Moonraker, A View to a kill), but also some of the best (The Spy Who Loved Me, License to Kill)

    You're getting your Bond directors mixed up. As someone else had already said, Lewis Gilbert directed Moonraker but Gilbert also directed the prior film, The Spy Who Loved Me. I guess John Glen is so bland of a director that anybody could mix up his work with Lewis Gilbert's.

    Anyway I will give Glen credit though, he directed five Bond films in a row. For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy, A View to a Kill, The Living Daylights, and Licence to Kill. But ironically only 2 out of 5, of those Bond films are actually GOOD so in the end it's about quality not quantity and I guess Martin Campbell understood the value of quality over quantity so that's probably why he left the Bond directing chair after only one film each time he helmed a Bond picture.

    I stand corrcted. But my point remains; Gilbert and Hamilton have proved themselves as good directors outide the Bond series. Glenn is often bland and workmanlike, but he still made two good Bonds. I think the directors Moore got very pretty good, but he was let down by other factors (script, his own limited acting skills, and the overall style of the time and Bond movies in particular)
  • JohnNintendoNerdJohnNintendoNerd Lake Elmo, MinnesotaPosts: 48MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I stand corrcted. But my point remains; Gilbert and Hamilton have proved themselves as good directors outide the Bond series.

    I understood your point, but isn't that sort of like saying Denise Richards is a decent actress outside of the Bond series? Does it really matter when you can't deliver where it counts?
    "Your orders were to shoot that sniper!"

    "Stuff my orders! I only kill professionals. That woman didn't know one end of a rifle from the other. Go ahead, tell M. what you want. If he fires me, I'll thank him for it."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I stand corrcted. But my point remains; Gilbert and Hamilton have proved themselves as good directors outide the Bond series.

    I understood your point, but isn't that sort of like saying Denise Richards is a decent actress outside of the Bond series? Does it really matter when you can't deliver where it counts?

    Saying Denise Richards is a decent actress outside Bond would be wrong :#
    I think my point has some merrit. Glenn aside (but he directed 5 Bonds ... :s) the producers hired accomplished directors, so teh problem was mostly elsewhere.
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