Bonds fighting styles in CR and QoS

DanielCraig007

Does anyone know what type of martial arts training Daniel Craig did for the role.
And also what kinds of fighting styles were used in CR and QoS by Bond.

Thunderpussy

I don't know about QOS but it might of been the same style as in CR, which I seem to remember reading was Krav Maga, used by the Israeli Army. But I'm sure Others will have a more informed answer.

PPK 7.65mm

As far as I understand the stunt coordinator did not set out to give Bond a unique fighting style ala Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were Christian Bale learned the Keysi Fighting method. I do know that he used a rear naked choke when he killed Steven Obanno after the fight in the stairwell. This a common technique found in both Japanese and Brazilian Ju Jitsu, and is highly effective in both self defense and competitive sport.

Thunderpussy

I myself use Monty Python's "Wimpo" very effective,Should a fight break out I crawl up in to a ball on the floor and start crying. They soon leave me alone then.

thesecretagent

The fighting styles are very mixed in the two films - you can definately see Krav Maga and Ju-Jitsu, and some karate - a classic Mae geri front kick in the embassy office for example. A lot of the Bourne-esque block and slap rubbish was evident. A lot of it was fast and furious and looks good but most know it doesn't go like that.

zaphod

thesecretagent wrote:

The fighting styles are very mixed in the two films - you can definately see Krav Maga and Ju-Jitsu, and some karate - a classic Mae geri front kick in the embassy office for example. A lot of the Bourne-esque block and slap rubbish was evident. A lot of it was fast and furious and looks good but most know it doesn't go like that.

I agree it's a very mixed but credibly so given Bond's Military background. A lot of Forces unarmed combat has strong ju-jitsu roots. I think it's important that Bond is obviously trained in Martial Arts but not a Matrial Artist per se, as in an exponent of any one style. If I have a criticism of recent fights it's that they have strayed into 'Bourne-esqe block & slap' and lack any real sense of struggle, particularly in QOS. Bond needs to be highly skilled, but not neccesarrily expert as this tends to loose sight of his natrural tenacity and sheer determination if he comes over as Superman. The stairwell fight in CR I think gets it right, as I genuinely felt that it could have gone either way. Bond needs to be in danger of being outclassed, and indeed sometimes actually outclassed.

He ultimatley triumphs often because of his intelligence and cunning rather than superior skills. For me 'Big Tam' probably got this balance right beteween technique/skills and ingenuity. Lazenby came close but its those momentary expressions where you can sense Bond/Connerry thinking his way out that up the game for me. Pierce improved with age and Dalton always looked credible, but the 'Jolly Roger' was always uncomfortable and unconvincing. I think DC could pull the same trick as Connerry if given the opportunity, but he will have to be allowed to come across as less like a Krav- Maga exponent and less of a miniture Superman to do so

Sidewinder

I think Jason Bourne used Kali or systema, and also Craig in CR and QOS.

Mr_Ice

In the CR stairwell fight he does a classic jiu-jitsu rear naked choke with his feet hooked.
They even showed a brief closeup of him sinking the hooks. (If I remember right, I'll have to look again...)
Not a fun place to be.

I would disagree about the QOS fights not showing struggle.
The hotel room scene looked like a struggle to me, with Bond using anything at his disposal to win.

zaphod

Mr_Ice wrote:

In the CR stairwell fight he does a classic jiu-jitsu rear naked choke with his feet hooked.
They even showed a brief closeup of him sinking the hooks. (If I remember right, I'll have to look again...)
Not a fun place to be.

I would disagree about the QOS fights not showing struggle.
The hotel room scene looked like a struggle to me, with Bond using anything at his disposal to win.

The Hotel scene I agree is the best of them, but I still never got that 'Christ how can he ever win here' sense that you do in GF for example with Odd Job, or in the office dust up YOLT, or even the Brozzer/Sean Bean dust up in GE has a genuine 'this could go either way' vibe that for me is absent with DC yet. As previously stated this is not a bash at DC as I really believe he could do a really good job of pulling off the approach. It would however require the action to slow down for a moment,, to allow us to see/feel his thought processes. It could then return to frantic mayhem as much as it likes.

fleming030

I reckon his fighting style has to be hand-to combat. You almost easily can tell. Although I loved the new direction that the directors took, but I think it is a bit overrated. There was too much action. Not enough style. javascript:insert_text('-{',%20''); Anyway, I still love it, but I hate QoS. It was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo overrated. Crap, but yet it was a Bond film. I hate the Bourne directors, crew, the lot. Especially the directors and the filmmakers who create QoS. When Bond stabbed that guy in the Hotel scene early on in the film I'm like ' Whoah, hang on there. I didn't see a thing'. Martin Campell should of came back to do the QoS. But I think the movie should have been called "THE PROPERTY OF A LADY OO7". I sounds more exciting, don't you think.

Mister White

fleming030 wrote:

I reckon his fighting style has to be hand-to combat. You almost easily can tell. Although I loved the new direction that the directors took, but I think it is a bit overrated. There was too much action. Not enough style. javascript:insert_text('-{',%20''); Anyway, I still love it, but I hate QoS. It was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo overrated. Crap, but yet it was a Bond film. I hate the Bourne directors, crew, the lot. Especially the directors and the filmmakers who create QoS. When Bond stabbed that guy in the Hotel scene early on in the film I'm like ' Whoah, hang on there. I didn't see a thing'. Martin Campell should of came back to do the QoS. But I think the movie should have been called "THE PROPERTY OF A LADY OO7". I sounds more exciting, don't you think.

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Thunderpussy

at one point R Crowe was in the running to be Bond, thats why in the hotel scene Bond throws a phone, Crowe and Namoi Campbell are the masters at phone fighting ( she was going to be Camile in an eairly draft of the script ) and that would of been something to see the screens greatest phone fight ever !.Also when Bond "Bleeds out " the guy at the hotel, the Blood pattern is that of a cut vein and not an severed artery so he wouldn't of died so quickly. so much for all the realism we keep hearing about. There should of been great heaps of blood all over the place.
You wouldn't get any of that sort of thing in Dr Who. "LIVE LONG AND PROSPER " damn that's the other one, isin't it

PPK 7.65mm

To answer Sidewinder's question, the fighting style used in the Bourne movies is Kali from the Philippines.

DanielCraig007

PPK 7.65mm wrote:

To answer Sidewinder's question, the fighting style used in the Bourne movies is Kali from the Philippines.

In the 2008 James Bond movie Quantum of Solace, actor Daniel Craig used Filipino martial arts to subdue a knife-wielding assassin. 2nd-unit director Dan Bradley worked with the same team from the Bourne series of movies for the fight choreography.

CmdrAtticus

Fleming mentioned Bond being an expert boxer and knowing jiu-jitsu because he knew what the commandoes were taught in hand to hand combat. These were not used exclusively in any situation - they form the basic stance and balance and footwork skills that were needed to improvise in an empty handed fight. They were also taught to use improvised weapons (chairs, dirt in the face, rocks, their belt - even a boot over the hand to deflect a bayonnet attack) - in effect, a "dirty fight", which is the type of attack they would encounter in war, or an agent like Bond would encounter, because the aim is to maim and or kill to survive, nothing short of that. I agree about Connery's fights being some of the best (using his wits and skill and improvised weapons). I did enjoy the Craig fights and I realize some don't like the Bourne fighting technique, but if they are doing more realistic fights in the films, those old roundhouse thown punches would not seem real any more. Still, I would like to see them slow down the encounters a little more and move the camera back so we can be a spectator to the fight and not be in the confused middle of it.