For me Grant, despite being a serious threat is only an instrument and not 'the Villain' as such. If SPECRTE were a corporate structure he would not be part of the Senior Management team.He is not the CEO, & is far removed from the seat of power.
Dr No is a good candidate in my book.
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
well grant had the physical presence, the disturbing past, and the original blonde hair bond bad guy look. in 1963, a villian such as grant would have had an indestructable presence about him, which would have had been daunting for first time viewer of frwl as it appears he has the edge over bond, in other words cannot be beaten. there are not many villians, henchmen or organisations that would have had such an edge over bond until his death on the train. i know he is working with spectre, but it is fair to say that he does have something about him which singles him out as the best
Alec Trevelyan was always one of my favorites because he had a certain relationship with 007 that no other villain previously had. I liked Sanchez a ton because he was so evil. Dr. No was very menacing and Zorin was indeed a psychopath. Le Chiffre also fits the Bond Villain sterotype. It's hard to pick a favorite.
For me Grant, despite being a serious threat is only an instrument and not 'the Villain' as such. If SPECRTE were a corporate structure he would not be part of the Senior Management team.He is not the CEO, & is far removed from the seat of power.
Dr No is a good candidate in my book.
Very true. However you could say the same thing about Bond. After all he's a blunt instument and would die if he were part of SIS's "Senior Management Team". Grant and Bond are field operatives and enjoy it although Grant is motivated by the blood lust of killing while Bond is motivated by the thrill of being on the edge despite doing it for Queen and country.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Has to be Elvis, the shear meance he projected across the screen blew me away, Made Donald Grant look like a schoolboy. Can't wait to see the kind of Villain the have in store for Bond 23. As always my hopes,( like me at the moment ) are high. -{
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Has to be Elvis, the shear meance he projected across the screen blew me away, Made Donald Grant look like a schoolboy. Can't wait to see the kind of Villain the have in store for Bond 23. As always my hopes,( like me at the moment ) are high. -{
Surely you jest old boy. Elvis? However, you are entitled to your opinion.
As for Franz Sanchez, I think he was a good villain however he was up against a mediocre Bond in my opinion. Timothy Dalton, I'm afraid, never did it for me. I just never found him believable as Bond. I was able to meet Robert Davi (Franz Sanchez) along with Ed THESPYBOYS M. and Dave MANTIS Z. at a Bond "symposium" at Hofstra University. He was a very friendly fellow and came accross as a man's man. I have his autograph somwhere. Good villain, bad Bond.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Grant was iconic, but said something a bit thick in the railway carriage, pointed out on another forum. PM me if you want to hear it, I won't post it. Plus, is he Russian or English?
Grant was iconic, but said something a bit thick in the railway carriage, pointed out on another forum. PM me if you want to hear it, I won't post it. Plus, is he Russian or English?
In Fleming's novel, he's Northern Irish. (Is he the only Irish character in a Bond book, I wonder? I think there was a Gardner book where 007 went to the oul' sod, so probably not).
Erm....anyway....
Donnie G's a good pick, in terms of main villains I tend towards Scaramanga or Drax. The former because, well, everyone knows why. Drax I like because of Michel Lonsdale's cold, confident, quietly amused performance and one-liners.....having said that you can't beat the book version of Drax.
Are we discussing villains or henchmen? Red Grant, as I see it, is a henchman. Although, one could see most of the villains from the Connery era as henchmen to Blofeld, but Grant does not even have a SPECTRE number. Grant is merely a blunt instrument (who else is?).
As I see it, there are 2 types of villains and the standards are set by Joseph Wiseman and Gert Fröbe:
Dr Julius No acts very calmly and is giving his opponents (and failing henchmen) the evil eye and not giving anything away with body language. The spoken word is what counts. Example of other relaxed villains are Hugo Drax, Franz Sanchez, Elektra King, and Le Chiffre (considering my firsth paragraph, I guess we can always discuss if Le Chiffre is the villain).
Auric Goldfinger is more of a lively character, expressing his emotions with his entire body. It is important for them to be where the action is when it happens. Others like him are Mr. Big, Brad Whitaker, and Alec Trevelyan.
So what is Blofeld, well that depends on the movie, but it seems he was running out of "numbers" so he had to engage directly into his activities. So up to YOLT, he is a "Dr. N"o but from OHMSS becomes a "Goldfinger".
This is my result of my non-scietific research, but as someone stated in another topic, a man's got to have a hobby.
The question remans, though, on who is my favourite villain. I don't know. I simply can't make up my mind...
But Donald "Red" Grant is one of the best henchmen, but he is disqualified as a villain! -{
goldfinger and trevelyan for me. goldfinger is borderline iconic for me when it comes to bond villians, and trevelyan to me was the most interesting one since he had a past with bond.
Le Chiffre is beautifully realistic to me in Casino Royale (2006), but since people love talking about the pre-reboot too, I think I will head towards Goldfinger as another good one.
This is actually a tougher question than favorite Bond since there are more variations on the evil doers. For example you have the mastermind class villains which would include Blofeld and Goldfinger, but Goldfinger's organization was of limited scope unlike SPECTRE. the subordinate villains the henchmen class of villain.
Mastermind is easy for me, Anthony Dawson as Blofeld. From here on it gets more competitive.
Subordinate Commanders: I include Goldfinger in this list due to the limited size of his organization and it's more specific goals. Dr. No, and Largo also top my list but if I had to choose just one it would be Auric Goldfinger.
Henchmen: Grant, Oddjob, and Fiona Volpe were outstanding but I think I'd have to go with Oddjob
This is why Goldfinger is my favorite Bond film. An iconic Bond and a whole group of iconic villains. Throw in Q and the Aston Martin and you've got THE Bond film of all time.
This is actually a tougher question than favorite Bond since there are more variations on the evil doers. For example you have the mastermind class villains which would include Blofeld and Goldfinger, but Goldfinger's organization was of limited scope unlike SPECTRE. the subordinate villains the henchmen class of villain.
Mastermind is easy for me, Anthony Dawson as Blofeld. From here on it gets more competitive.
Subordinate Commanders: I include Goldfinger in this list due to the limited size of his organization and it's more specific goals. Dr. No, and Largo also top my list but if I had to choose just one it would be Auric Goldfinger.
Henchmen: Grant, Oddjob, and Fiona Volpe were outstanding but I think I'd have to go with Oddjob
This is why Goldfinger is my favorite Bond film. An iconic Bond and a whole group of iconic villains. Throw in Q and the Aston Martin and you've got THE Bond film of all time.
Hard to argue that FRWL surely had the best ensemble villainy? Klebb, Kronsteen, Grant and Dawson as Blofeld.
Shame that both FYEO and TLD sought to replicate that to so little effect.
Perhaps LALD is second in terms of ensemble villainy?
GF and Oddjob are a great double act, the talkative charming Auric and his mute henchman. But oddly some of the other subordinates don't even register on the radar despite many many years of viewing. That bloke who seems like a Jet off West Side Story who we seem to meet at Kentucky and ends up quibbling with Oddjob at the finale over letting the bomb go off. He really makes no impression at all and neither do any of the others - the ludicrous blonde pilots (nothing ludicrous in theory but they do seem v silly and dated in the film) and stereotyped gangsters...
The way I see it the first four shots from the cinematic PPK were inspirational. Everything is superior including the villains, sub-villains, organizations, etc.. However ..
I know a discusssion on the foremost Fleming antagonist translated to screen is debatable, but my rewatch/entertainment factor states my favorite go-to villains, (as in guys I really ENJOY watch chewing the fat), would be..
Adolfo Celi's Emilio Largo, Loius Jourdan's Kamal Khan and Robert Davi as Franz Sanchez. Sheer joy.
Alex it's good to see Louis Jordan get a little love. I thought he was a great villain as well. Though he is not my favorite, he is one of them. He also has the distinction of being my favorite Columbo antagonist as well. But as cliched as it is, I still think it's hard too beat the Boss/muscle combo of Goldfinger and OddJobb.
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Dr No is a good candidate in my book.
Certainly one of the best anyway.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
1. GoldenEye 2. Goldfinger 3. Skyfall 4. OHMSS 5. TWINE
Very true. However you could say the same thing about Bond. After all he's a blunt instument and would die if he were part of SIS's "Senior Management Team". Grant and Bond are field operatives and enjoy it although Grant is motivated by the blood lust of killing while Bond is motivated by the thrill of being on the edge despite doing it for Queen and country.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Has everything it takes to be the ultimate villain, evil in the grand scheme, but also petty and childish in his interaction with people.
Plus he gets the best line ever:
"Do you expect me to talk?"
"No, mister Bond, I expect you to die."
Surely you jest old boy. Elvis? However, you are entitled to your opinion.
As for Franz Sanchez, I think he was a good villain however he was up against a mediocre Bond in my opinion. Timothy Dalton, I'm afraid, never did it for me. I just never found him believable as Bond. I was able to meet Robert Davi (Franz Sanchez) along with Ed THESPYBOYS M. and Dave MANTIS Z. at a Bond "symposium" at Hofstra University. He was a very friendly fellow and came accross as a man's man. I have his autograph somwhere. Good villain, bad Bond.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Grant was iconic, but said something a bit thick in the railway carriage, pointed out on another forum. PM me if you want to hear it, I won't post it. Plus, is he Russian or English?
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In Fleming's novel, he's Northern Irish. (Is he the only Irish character in a Bond book, I wonder? I think there was a Gardner book where 007 went to the oul' sod, so probably not).
Erm....anyway....
Donnie G's a good pick, in terms of main villains I tend towards Scaramanga or Drax. The former because, well, everyone knows why. Drax I like because of Michel Lonsdale's cold, confident, quietly amused performance and one-liners.....having said that you can't beat the book version of Drax.
Of yes, and Goldfinger of course.
Are we discussing villains or henchmen? Red Grant, as I see it, is a henchman. Although, one could see most of the villains from the Connery era as henchmen to Blofeld, but Grant does not even have a SPECTRE number. Grant is merely a blunt instrument (who else is?).
As I see it, there are 2 types of villains and the standards are set by Joseph Wiseman and Gert Fröbe:
Dr Julius No acts very calmly and is giving his opponents (and failing henchmen) the evil eye and not giving anything away with body language. The spoken word is what counts. Example of other relaxed villains are Hugo Drax, Franz Sanchez, Elektra King, and Le Chiffre (considering my firsth paragraph, I guess we can always discuss if Le Chiffre is the villain).
Auric Goldfinger is more of a lively character, expressing his emotions with his entire body. It is important for them to be where the action is when it happens. Others like him are Mr. Big, Brad Whitaker, and Alec Trevelyan.
So what is Blofeld, well that depends on the movie, but it seems he was running out of "numbers" so he had to engage directly into his activities. So up to YOLT, he is a "Dr. N"o but from OHMSS becomes a "Goldfinger".
This is my result of my non-scietific research, but as someone stated in another topic, a man's got to have a hobby.
The question remans, though, on who is my favourite villain. I don't know. I simply can't make up my mind...
But Donald "Red" Grant is one of the best henchmen, but he is disqualified as a villain! -{
It's a bit of a technicality because one might easily say not all Bond villains are Bond henchmen, but all Bond henchmen are Bond villains.
Anyway my choices for the best baddies are Auric Goldfinger and Scaramanga (main villains) and Oddjob, Jaws, Wint, Kidd and Nick Nack (henchmen).
Mastermind is easy for me, Anthony Dawson as Blofeld. From here on it gets more competitive.
Subordinate Commanders: I include Goldfinger in this list due to the limited size of his organization and it's more specific goals. Dr. No, and Largo also top my list but if I had to choose just one it would be Auric Goldfinger.
Henchmen: Grant, Oddjob, and Fiona Volpe were outstanding but I think I'd have to go with Oddjob
This is why Goldfinger is my favorite Bond film. An iconic Bond and a whole group of iconic villains. Throw in Q and the Aston Martin and you've got THE Bond film of all time.
Reflections in a double bourbon...
Shame that both FYEO and TLD sought to replicate that to so little effect.
Perhaps LALD is second in terms of ensemble villainy?
GF and Oddjob are a great double act, the talkative charming Auric and his mute henchman. But oddly some of the other subordinates don't even register on the radar despite many many years of viewing. That bloke who seems like a Jet off West Side Story who we seem to meet at Kentucky and ends up quibbling with Oddjob at the finale over letting the bomb go off. He really makes no impression at all and neither do any of the others - the ludicrous blonde pilots (nothing ludicrous in theory but they do seem v silly and dated in the film) and stereotyped gangsters...
I'll got for Dr No and Drax.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
I know a discusssion on the foremost Fleming antagonist translated to screen is debatable, but my rewatch/entertainment factor states my favorite go-to villains, (as in guys I really ENJOY watch chewing the fat), would be..
Adolfo Celi's Emilio Largo, Loius Jourdan's Kamal Khan and Robert Davi as Franz Sanchez. Sheer joy.
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