Dalton?
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I just watched LTK and I really don't like him as Bond...a bit to wimpy
Any others agree?
Any others agree?
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Nope....thought Dalton was superb...and definately not wimpy at all...
He plays a good villain in the Rocketeer i saw that a few months back and it was quite good.
I'm a big fan of his, but this a hotly debated topic.
It usually includes the following arguments:
Dalton was Fleming's Bond, not that campy Roger Moore ****. You'd know that if you read the books vs. I have read the books, and Dalton is NOT Fleming's Bond.
Dalton is a brooding Bond who really feels the loneliness of his profession and the pain of taking a life vs. Dalton's is just too dark.
TLD is a very solid Bond film. vs. The first half of TLD is a solid Bond film.
LTK was one of the best vs. LTK was like any cheesy 80's action movie and doesn't feel like a Bond film.
In the end, no one budges, but we all just agree he was better than Lazenby and grab a martini.
Wimpy? He didn't get his shirt off much and when he did it wasn't impressive.
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Dalton= Weepy and wimpy. Look at his tears in TLD and LK and ask, if you see a flemingesque Bond?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
When did Dalton show tears in either film?
And Fleming's Bond did cry... look at the ending of the novel LALD.
Lastly, since when does crying equal wimpy?
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TLD: Saunder's death, Everytime, when he sees Kara
LTK: Entering the chapel, Gift from Della & Felix, Finding Della & Felix, License revoked
to name some
Crying = wimpy and in these scenes, Fleming's Bond would not have cried
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Sorry... Dalton didn't shed a tear in any of these scenes. I've watched both of these films many, many times. And, incidentally, I would have had no problem with Dalton shedding tears on finding Della and Felix. Bond isn't supposed to be an unfeeling sociopath.
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When I read the novels, he may be the actor who comes closest in my mind's eye to what Fleming writes. But he was dreadfully sabotaged onscreen, real pity he didn't take over in '81, might have had better films to be in had the series stopped eating its own tail (but doubtful as Cubby was still running scared from OHMSS/the Laz experience).
As much as I want to, I can't call the films he was in, or his performances in those films, good.
Wrong. Not only does Dalton's Bond NOT cry, he shows RAGE. This was one of the scenes that completely sold me on Dalton's Bond--though he didn't personally like Saunders, he respected him as an ally and desired to see him avenged. It's good acting in a good moment.
Reflections in a double bourbon...
Very good point, and very true. I actually thought the way the relationship between Bond and Saunders slightly changed over the course of the film was one of the unsung great things about TLD.
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In all mentioned scenes, he has tears in his eyes!
It's his method to show rage, thank god, that he did not lower himself to let the tears running down his face
All the other actors have not limited themselfs to that - exception GL at the end of OHMSS ONCE and he had good reason.
And it's the same, everytime that he sees Kara.
To me, TD is the S-R-K- Bond, never liked him
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
It does not happen often, but here I agree with you! -{
I'd like to add something to the "rage thing":
Roger Moore is always blamed having been "clownish". I partly agree, but he was hell of an actor, too.
Just compare the visible "rage" in Dalton's face with these Roger Bond scenes:
TMWGG: At the end of the conversation with Scaramanga
TSWLM: When Anja mentions that he's been previously married
FYEO: When he's visiting Teresa's grave, saying goodbye to Lisl
All these scenes have been handled with grace and dignity and convinced me far more than anything, that I can see from Dalton.
General remark: I'd be grateful, if we could continue to discuss our personal perception and opinions and not shut down opposing views with killerphrases
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Markus, you don't like Dalton...thats fine....but I've never seen him cry in a Bond film...so on that front, you're dead wrong
Perhaps you need to upgrade your tv or discs to bluray ?
You say the other actors haven't shown tears/rage....try watching Craig when he drags Vesper's body from the water....that's pretty close...
You can't convince me....I won't convince you....that's life -{
Well as you admitted - TD had tears in his eyes multiple times - I don't have to upgrade my 60'' HD TV and my Blu-Ray Player works also fine -{
Re. DC I know what you mean. But it's (in my eyes) lightyears better than any "rage" from the other guy. It's like acting compared to Bollywood :v (I'll generously leave out the women's football to real football comparison here :v ).
Just because Dalton said, that he wanted to play his Bond along the novels it does not necessarily have to be so.
I don't want to convince anyone and I don't have to. Everyone else to be his own judge. My mission is just to put some counterweight into the Dalton-hype here on AJB - which I never understood. I was quietly embarrassed at the time when he was presented as Bond - not an easy time to out yourself as a Bond fan then -{
What I don't like are phrases like "wrong". It's all a matter of perception and I'd be glad, if that could be respected not only by me.
And let me add: Now, that I have planted my thoughts into your brain, I am sure, that you'll recall my words the next time that you see his puppy eyes, when he sees Kara.
Sometimes, it takes time like to realize that certain men's jewellery is crap and maybe I'll get an email one day from you, that I have been right
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
(NP ponders making a 'plucking that thing between her legs' type joke)
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What, plenty of salt and pepper on that ham?
Roger Moore 1927-2017
But I'll still take Dalton over Craig any time. Daniel's Red Grant, not James Bond.