Should Roger Moore have called it quits after FYEO?

ZorinIndustries

Roger Moore was thought to be done after FYEO, but came back for OP and later AVTAK. Some Bond fans feel he was too old to play the part in those two films. I personally love Roger, but I'm afraid I side with those views. It got to the point where Bond would hit on women and it would look very creepy. What are your thoughts on the topic?

Napoleon Plural

Well, I loved both OP and AVTAK so I liked having Moore continue. Back then he seemed oddly young for his years and one superimposed his younger self onto the present guy; now one tends to reverse it so he seems older in films like Spy than he did at the time.

That said, a 30-something Bond in those films could have brought Bond into the Raiders age group and made him seem viable again. And he could have done Dalton's films too. A Mel Gibson type for instance. Many say bring Dalton forward but I never got on with him and would have liked a young, romantic lead for those two movies, in the Harrison Ford mold.

Moore's Lothario tendencies, well, they seemed just another example of his superhero abilities and so not that creepy.

Higgins

I have mixed feelings about Octopussy, but in AVTAK, Sir Roger was visibly too old.
In his book, he mentions having had a facelift prior to shooting AVTAK and that did not go well imho.

If Octopussy did not have some over-silly John Glen jokes, the film would be far better accepted by me. Has nothing to do with Sir Roger's age.

Thunderpussy

Firstly I have to say I love Sir Roger and He was Bond when I first got interested in all things Bond.
I think if he'd left after Moonraker He'd get alot more respect ( as Roger Dangerfield would say )
But I still enjoyed Eyes Only and Octopussy. And I also Enjoyed AVTAK,( One of the few who'll admitt it )
Although He was looking far too old At that Point.

superdaddy

Just slightly off topic but still about Big Rog,has anyone ever seen Sea Wolves where he played real life ww11 secret agent Gavin Stewart.
Imho if Sir Rog had played his Bond like that and looking like he did in LALD I think he would probaly been the best Bond of all time.

Agent Sidewinder

Not after FYEO, no. OP and Sir Rog are pretty much inseparable in my mind. He might have been putting on a few extra wrinkles by then, but I never think of him in those films as being an "old man".

Blackleiter

I apologize in advance if I offend his fans, but if I had my way Sir Roger would have quit after Live and Let Die! That being said, in my opinion FYEO was Moore's best turn as Bond, so yes I think he should have quit after that.

Thunderpussy

I agree Supperdaddy, Moore in The sea wolves and the wild geese was great. Sadly at the time the Bonds where Family Entertainment so no Breaking peoples necks,Thank-you very much.

zaphod

Thunderpussy wrote:

I agree Supperdaddy, Moore in The sea wolves and the wild geese was great. Sadly at the time the Bonds where Family Entertainment so no Breaking peoples necks,Thank-you very much.

Agreed it would have been a great improvement, but would still have left us with his poor physicality, he just never moved well. Say what you like about 'golden-boy' he at least moves well and is convincing physically which Roger just never was.

Thunderpussy

Sorry, I have to disagree there Zaphod. The fight in the Hotelroom in QOS is the most clunky,staged fight I've ever seen. arms left out for ages so someone can grab it, Like a martial arts Display at a local sports centre.The fight on the stairs in CR was much better, Trying a little too hard to be Jason Bourne In Haiti.
I for one was always happy with sir Roger's movements )
Much as I love T Dalton as Bond, I alway thought He was the Most awkward looking in anything Physcial :v
Still we all see what we want to in our Favourite actors. -{

Napoleon Plural

Moore really packed a lot of timber in The Sea Wolves, not that it mattered because he was just a guy in that, so why not? But if you don't like Dalton, there wasn't anyone that obvious to be cast in the role after FYEO. Some guy off Dynasty got namechecked, likewise Christopher Reeve. James Brolin too, but they're all American.

superdaddy

Thunderpussy wrote:

Sorry, I have to disagree there Zaphod. The fight in the Hotelroom in QOS is the most clunky,staged fight I've ever seen. arms left out for ages so someone can grab it, Like a martial arts Display at a local sports centre.The fight on the stairs in CR was much better, Trying a little too hard to be Jason Bourne In Haiti.
I for one was always happy with sir Roger's movements )
Much as I love T Dalton as Bond, I alway thought He was the Most awkward looking in anything Physcial :v
Still we all see what we want to in our Favourite actors. -{

The thing I always liked about Rog was that to me he came across as an iron fist in a silk glove, he did not need to strutt around or charge through walls he knew his Bond could take care of himself when the need arose[no toilet door handle ripping of for our Rog].
As to the fight in Haiti how come it took a while to sort out a geologist and yet later on he takes out 4 trained agents in a lift with his hands tied behind his back in 2seconds flat.
Also can someone answer me this as well please, in CR Bond says I need him alive Carter, chases the bomber all over the place and shoots him dead why not do that or let Carter do it and get his bag and phone to start with then at least he would not have been caught on film.

Higgins

Thunderpussy wrote:

Much as I love T Dalton as Bond,

...and I have just started to like you, TP.... 8-)

Thunderpussy

Don't get me wrong NP, Dalton is my favoutite Bond.It's just at times the way he moves or stands to throw a punch doesn't look natural, It's probably something I'll never be able to expain except with a lot of hand and body movements over a pint. ( I'd hate to waste three years of interpretive dance )
Aw, Shucks Bondtoys. ;% ,is there no chance for us, can't we get over this.

"No love hath any man that he accept the views of other Bond fans ! )

thesecretagent

superdaddy wrote:

Thunderpussy wrote:

Sorry, I have to disagree there Zaphod. The fight in the Hotelroom in QOS is the most clunky,staged fight I've ever seen. arms left out for ages so someone can grab it, Like a martial arts Display at a local sports centre.The fight on the stairs in CR was much better, Trying a little too hard to be Jason Bourne In Haiti.
I for one was always happy with sir Roger's movements )
Much as I love T Dalton as Bond, I alway thought He was the Most awkward looking in anything Physcial :v
Still we all see what we want to in our Favourite actors. -{

The thing I always liked about Rog was that to me he came across as an iron fist in a silk glove, he did not need to strutt around or charge through walls he knew his Bond could take care of himself when the need arose[no toilet door handle ripping of for our Rog].
As to the fight in Haiti how come it took a while to sort out a geologist and yet later on he takes out 4 trained agents in a lift with his hands tied behind his back in 2seconds flat.
Also can someone answer me this as well please, in CR Bond says I need him alive Carter, chases the bomber all over the place and shoots him dead why not do that or let Carter do it and get his bag and phone to start with then at least he would not have been caught on film.

He didn't fight a geologist, he fought a professional assasin. The geologists was already dead in Greene's dock - drowned, remember? The assasin was posing as a geologist to lure in the girl and kill her. (Just another example of how convoluted this film really is!) Still, the fight in the room was rubbish, and he dealt with the agents in the lift too quickly as well. Some would have needed a bit more pummeling to be knocked out like that.

Blackleiter

I agree wholeheartedly. The poor physicality and lack of menance made Moore an extremely ineffective Bond as far as I'm concerned.

zaphod wrote:

Thunderpussy wrote:

I agree Supperdaddy, Moore in The sea wolves and the wild geese was great. Sadly at the time the Bonds where Family Entertainment so no Breaking peoples necks,Thank-you very much.

Agreed it would have been a great improvement, but would still have left us with his poor physicality, he just never moved well. Say what you like about 'golden-boy' he at least moves well and is convincing physically which Roger just never was.

Thunderpussy

Guys, I'll admit Moore was No Connery as He moved like a Big cat Light on his feet But ready to strike at any Time. :007)
But I always use this example, David Niven was the perfect English gentleman, On screen he was polite, Witty and charming. He wouldn't give the impresion of being a Hard Man. But just read a little of his experiences of ww2, when he was in a crack commando unit, and you'll soon see he was one tough Cookie.
I'm not here to try and change anyone's mind and take on board all they everyone has said, I agree He was getting on a bit and probably should have called it a day after FYEO. -{

DangerMouse

I think he should've left after Octopussy, which he agreed with EON when they allowed him to be in it. At least that film felt like it was made with an older 007 approaching retirement in mind. Then they could have given the next film to Timothy or whoever was available at the time.

Percy Sugden

Yes is the simple answer to that. When i saw 'For Your Eyes Only' at the cinema in 1981 i wasn't particularly impressed with it, although having seen the film numerous times since its release, i can honestly say that it is now in my top 5 Favourite Bond Films.
However my opinion has not altered of 'Octopussy' and 'A View To A kill', both of which i consider to be very poor entries in the series, the latter film is probably the weakest of all the 0fficial 007 Films, and Roger Moore certainly looks well past his sell by date.

Sir Miles

thesecretagent wrote:

Still, the fight in the room was rubbish, and he dealt with the agents in the lift too quickly as well. Some would have needed a bit more pummeling to be knocked out like that.

Is it ? Darn it, I always liked that fight

As for the agents..?...well, they weren't expecting a fight...and it is only a film )

Thunderpussy

with government cut backs the men in the lift where probably Group 4 securitas. )

Number24

Roger Moore should have left after FYEO. He was just too old and he was taking the series in the wrong direction. What's more interesting is : who should have replaced him? Dalton was probably too young. Perhaps Sam Neill or Liam Neeson?

Q and M

dalton is actually older than liam neeson

thesecretagent

Sir Miles wrote:

thesecretagent wrote:

Still, the fight in the room was rubbish, and he dealt with the agents in the lift too quickly as well. Some would have needed a bit more pummeling to be knocked out like that.

Is it ? Darn it, I always liked that fight

As for the agents..?...well, they weren't expecting a fight...and it is only a film )

If we think of these things as "only a film" we might as well say the whole forum is a waste of time... Perhaps it is.

It doesn't matter if they were expecting a fight or not, kicking someone in the face isn't always enough to knock them out first time. I don't make a habbit of it, but I've played a great deal of rugby that has gone sour, and seen quite a bit in the army. I just thought it looked a bit quick. But it is just a film, and a rather bollocks one at that.

DangerMouse

Q and M wrote:

dalton is actually older than liam neeson

And Sam Neill.

Sir Miles

thesecretagent wrote:

Sir Miles wrote:

thesecretagent wrote:

Still, the fight in the room was rubbish, and he dealt with the agents in the lift too quickly as well. Some would have needed a bit more pummeling to be knocked out like that.

Is it ? Darn it, I always liked that fight

As for the agents..?...well, they weren't expecting a fight...and it is only a film )

If we think of these things as "only a film" we might as well say the whole forum is a waste of time... Perhaps it is.

Maybe it is.

thesecretagent wrote:

It doesn't matter if they were expecting a fight or not, kicking someone in the face isn't always enough to knock them out first time. I don't make a habbit of it, but I've played a great deal of rugby that has gone sour, and seen quite a bit in the army. I just thought it looked a bit quick. But it is just a film, and a rather bollocks one at that.

That happens in most films doesn't it ?

thesecretagent

Yes, of course it does. But we're all a bit picky about these ones, aren't we?

I just see QOS as a platform game, with Craig as a superhero Bond, and the lift scene is yet another example.

I'll leave it alone now, because as usual this has nothing to do with the thread! 8-)

Thunderpussy

I once got a mauling for suggesting QOS was a Computer game, But your a lot tougher than Me TSA, so you might get away with it.
Is ajb007 a waste of time?, No. I think it's interesting to read the views of others to see Just how WRONG everybodyelse is, Only I have the True View on Everthing Bond.
Only I and I alone, Know What the producers, writers,editors, well everyone really as I said should be doing. ) I'm willing
to offer my services, as MY views are the Only ones that Matter! But I think by now Most members Know That.

Sir Miles

thesecretagent wrote:

I'll leave it alone now, because as usual this has nothing to do with the thread! 8-)

You right, it doesn't....sometimes it's nice to go with the flow though...it can be amazing just where you end up ! )

As long as we are all adult about it, it's fine by me...everyone has their own opinion...and thats fine -{

Thunderpussy

Am I the only one who can Hear "Kumbaya" softly playing in the background.

Sir Miles

Thunderpussy wrote:

Am I the only one who can Hear "Kumbaya" softly playing in the background.

Probably....but that is why your are in the mental institution in the first place -{

) ) )