i know the guns are illegal to buy and sell without police permission, but does this include the cartidges themselves?
Well, therein lies an idea!
I used to be the proud owner of a Walther PPK brocock TAC pistol. The pistol was not great to shoot (hence i no longer own it), but I do still have a few TACS. Unfortunately, having a .177 (4.5mm) single shot TAC system is effectively still having a Brocock pistol. What they banned was having an airgun where both the propellant (i.e. air) and the ammo (i.e. pellet) resided in the same shell. I.e. "the tandem air cartridge, or TAC".
By virtue of having the TAC loading into a breach, its easy to bore out the barrel, and masking tape a ball bearing to an 8mm or 9mm blank (same case size as the TAC). This was what made them so easy to convert to very dangerous firearms. They were effectively blank firers with etiher a .177" (4.5mm) or .22" (5.5mm) barrel.
With a blank firer, there is generally some case hardened metal in the barrel which is likely to fracture if drilled. In the UK, blank firers with a centre drilled barel are illegal, although they are common on the continent. Ours generally have top drilled barrels to vent blank gasses.
This was the underpinnings of having them moved to firearms certificates FAC (whilst simultaneously giving oiks and dodgy people and easy way to get an FAC if they owned a brocock).... dumbass government. usual knee-jerk reaction.
The only way around this would be to have the TAC cartridge as the air source maybe firing towards the rear of the gun, and then direct the airflow into the breach where a conventional single pellet load is used.
Thus the TAC is no longer a "tandem" air cartridge, and only plays the role of the proellant, and CANNOT be retrofitted to become a firearm.
This would be possible to design and build. I would definitely have to run this past a firearms officer, but in principle its entirely possible and should be deemed as completely legal.
The TAC air cartridge is by far the simplest "all in one" propellant and easy fire solution, so long as its not a proper breach load solution.
Cards on the table, I am building "eff-all" till i get some proper dimensions off anyone.
I am not a rofessional or full time or avid collector / prop maker. This is my first attempt, and im using what limited skills / knowledge i can to try and make this a success.
I have had a very helpful person email me privately who has agreed to assist. I guess hes quite private, so I will keep things confidential.
I will be modifying the colibri lighters I have purchased (2no.), and have found a very very close copy of the scaramanga pen.
Struggling to find brass plate with the hobnail / diamond / clous de paris pattern as the movie / SD / FE lighter to clad it. (currently have calls in to several clock makers . watch specialists)
I am no machinist by any stretch, but i have done some plumbing and can weld, braze and solder fair proficiently.
I work as a design engineer, so i can CAD the gun its entirety from sketches, and i have a friend who works at a CAD/CAM facility.
Once I have dims etc, i have a whole host of threaded parts, brass components (plate, bar, sheet) etc that i will begin to design for fabrication.
I also work with an ex-jewelry maker in my office who is used to working with precious metals, copper, bronze and industrial metals like stainless etc. Im hoping she will be able to do some of the more complex stuff and engraving works.
Planning to use Quartermasters gold plating company.
So, i will be designing the thing myself, working out whats what, and I have some great people who have offered to help me out, who are not bond fans, dont really understand why im going to such lengths, but are STILL being proactive and helpful
So DanJaq, yes, im scratching my balls........ big time,
But im trying so feckin hard to get some info so i can put my hands to better use. Im not looking to p155 anyone off here, but a bit of friendly support between bond fans might not go a miss... If youre not interested in helping, thats fine, but this is a post where im looking for help, not stick and grief.
i like this guy, he actually knows instead of guesses (always good where firearms laws are concerned)
Ta Geff.
If theres one thing i do, its tonnes of research and knowing my onions before I do a single thing.
Fail to plan, plan to fail.........
Measure twice, check twice, check again, then think about cutting......
PS, happy to advise on guns and stuff for anyone who has queries. I have recently purchased a RAP4 P99 Ram that fires 11.1mm riot ammo and painballs, full gas blowback 1:1 size and nearly weight.
I think it is the 2nd wave of the original run :007)
Hmmmm, wasnt impressed with the cufflink. Not sure how you can 'wear' somthing with a long bolt to stab you in a wrist artery......
I think the Original / Sd cufflinks look awsome, tiny but substantial thread. Are these as robust as they look??
Agreed, seen quite a few photos. there are some prop ones and Quartermasters that have a nice chunky thick thread, but short so they 'could' actually be worn.
let me know what feedback plod gives on the TAC idea. my locals aint too approachable on such matters.
as a licenced shooter i have concerns when people start mentioning making working GG's. such things can do big damage to our reputation already tainted by the medias bias views.
let me know what feedback plod gives on the TAC idea. my locals aint too approachable on such matters.
as a licenced shooter i have concerns when people start mentioning making working GG's. such things can do big damage to our reputation already tainted by the medias bias views.
Im an un licenced shooter (i.e. i own nothing that requires a licence).
I gave up on guns in the Uk a long time ago. I now shoot abroad whenever I get chance. got some great exotics under my belt over the last few years, mainly USA and Eastern Europe.
My local gun shop really struggles to beat teh legislation, with a large chunk of firearms no longer being sold nowadays, VCR and ban on mail order etc.
I have a great fire arms / smither i have spoken to who are very interested in this project. Im also toying with the idea of making an M82 50cal replica based on a full power pre-charged air rifle. they are happy to support this project too! great guys.
I understand your concerns on the matter of making 'firing' replicas, but if its done properly, with consultation with the local firearms officer, i see no issues. I certainly dont want to create a sh1t-storm for current owners.....
As ive explained, planning is key to success, so all i's will be dotted and all t's crossed before we get going.
lol anything with a trigger, i own mainly target rifles, but also have some fun stuff like me cp99 and ar-7. do clays now n then too.
my local plod would prob raid me if i asked to make a TAC powered gun, which is why ive never looked into it in depth.
As previously noted, it would have to be physically impossible to convert to a firearm. This would either mean a backward facing TAC, or have it in the lower section of extendable breach, thus not in the line of the barrel.
I like the idea of the TAC, but i reckon a 'chargeabe' reservoir (either CO2 or R134a airsoft gas) filled like a lighter might be as good. Just got to think about how the firing pin / valve would work with the cufflink trigger. Ive already thought of a couple of neat ideas for the linkage / valve assembly, but I dont yet have any accurate dims for the extending breach from the colibri, so not 100% what could be cited / machined to go where.
The R134a (green gas) is fine for little plastic BBs, but hasnt got much clout for a proper lead pellet. Red gas (propane) has a lot more kick to it, as it flashes off from liquid to gas with more force, both of these can be filled like a lighter. I can easily sacrifice both the filling valve and the valve pin from an airsoft pistol mag, theyre only £10 a go for a complete mag anyhow....
The CO2 might be more problematic, as the pressure in those little CO2 sparklets are mental. Filling from one with a custom valve might be far trickier.
Que a weekend in the garage testing pressures and fill strategies.
For a 'single shot' there should be plenty 'o' volume in there somewhere for a gas charge.
lol anything with a trigger, i own mainly target rifles, but also have some fun stuff like me cp99 and ar-7. do clays now n then too.
my local plod would prob raid me if i asked to make a TAC powered gun, which is why ive never looked into it in depth.
As previously noted, it would have to be physically impossible to convert to a firearm. This would either mean a backward facing TAC, or have it in the lower section of extendable breach, thus not in the line of the barrel.
I like the idea of the TAC, but i reckon a 'chargeabe' reservoir (either CO2 or R134a airsoft gas) filled like a lighter might be as good. Just got to think about how the firing pin / valve would work with the cufflink trigger. Ive already thought of a couple of neat ideas for the linkage / valve assembly, but I dont yet have any accurate dims for the extending breach from the colibri, so not 100% what could be cited / machined to go where.
The R134a (green gas) is fine for little plastic BBs, but hasnt got much clout for a proper lead pellet. Red gas (propane) has a lot more kick to it, as it flashes off from liquid to gas with more force, both of these can be filled like a lighter. I can easily sacrifice both the filling valve and the valve pin from an airsoft pistol mag, theyre only £10 a go for a complete mag anyhow....
The CO2 might be more problematic, as the pressure in those little CO2 sparklets are mental. Filling from one with a custom valve might be far trickier.
Que a weekend in the garage testing pressures and fill strategies.
For a 'single shot' there should be plenty 'o' volume in there somewhere for a gas charge.
PS, the most interesting fact is that you can actually (and legally) use a firing cap / blank to provide the propellant for an airgun (in principle). Again, it would have to be "completely impossible" to convert to a breach loading firearm, but my firearms dealer sees no reason why this could not be done within the restrictions of the law.
Apparently, so long as the power was below 12ft/lb (rifle) and 6ft/lb (pistol) it is "theoretically legal".
The same reverse principle applies to airguns. When they exceed 12ft/lb (rifle) and 6ft/lb (pistol), they fall under firearm classification, even though they are powered by air.
The propellant really has little to do with the classification, it is the power that determines whether its FAC requirement or not.
Having said that, it would be one hell of a tough debate with the firearms officer and a very complex build to have small rimfire blanks etc!
Bang, smoke, fun shooting! (followed by helicopter, armed response and very boring explanation down the rozza shop).....
I have no idea about all this technical gun blah-blah, but I find it strange to find advise here how to legally or half-legally get around existing gun laws.
It smells like trouble, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I have no idea about all this technical gun blah-blah, but I find it strange to find advise here how to legally or half-legally get around existing gun laws.
It smells like trouble, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Trouble indeed!
Ive consulted quite a few people technically, but if anyone was to attempt to do the same, then tey would need to undertake all due process!
The airgun side of things (for the GG) is much simpler, because you are starting with something completely legal. the cap / blank route is fraught with difficulty, as most of the work / testing would have to be carried out by a registered firearms dealer / gunsmith to 'prove' it was below legal power limits.
Nobody (certainly not me) said it was easy..... LOL
Guys, is this the correct muzzle of the gun? This looks like a screen shot, but the SD GG's do not have the lower nub, and also appear to have a solid pocket clip rather than the 'parallel rail' ones with a gap running down the centre.
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I think it is the 2nd wave of the original run :007)
i know the guns are illegal to buy and sell without police permission, but does this include the cartidges themselves?
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Hmmmm, wasnt impressed with the cufflink. Not sure how you can 'wear' somthing with a long bolt to stab you in a wrist artery......
I think the Original / Sd cufflinks look awsome, tiny but substantial thread. Are these as robust as they look??
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
Well, therein lies an idea!
I used to be the proud owner of a Walther PPK brocock TAC pistol. The pistol was not great to shoot (hence i no longer own it), but I do still have a few TACS. Unfortunately, having a .177 (4.5mm) single shot TAC system is effectively still having a Brocock pistol. What they banned was having an airgun where both the propellant (i.e. air) and the ammo (i.e. pellet) resided in the same shell. I.e. "the tandem air cartridge, or TAC".
By virtue of having the TAC loading into a breach, its easy to bore out the barrel, and masking tape a ball bearing to an 8mm or 9mm blank (same case size as the TAC). This was what made them so easy to convert to very dangerous firearms. They were effectively blank firers with etiher a .177" (4.5mm) or .22" (5.5mm) barrel.
With a blank firer, there is generally some case hardened metal in the barrel which is likely to fracture if drilled. In the UK, blank firers with a centre drilled barel are illegal, although they are common on the continent. Ours generally have top drilled barrels to vent blank gasses.
This was the underpinnings of having them moved to firearms certificates FAC (whilst simultaneously giving oiks and dodgy people and easy way to get an FAC if they owned a brocock).... dumbass government. usual knee-jerk reaction.
The only way around this would be to have the TAC cartridge as the air source maybe firing towards the rear of the gun, and then direct the airflow into the breach where a conventional single pellet load is used.
Thus the TAC is no longer a "tandem" air cartridge, and only plays the role of the proellant, and CANNOT be retrofitted to become a firearm.
This would be possible to design and build. I would definitely have to run this past a firearms officer, but in principle its entirely possible and should be deemed as completely legal.
The TAC air cartridge is by far the simplest "all in one" propellant and easy fire solution, so long as its not a proper breach load solution.
Anyone got any more thoughts on the TAC idea?
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
Vive le droit à la libre expression! Je suis Charlie!
www.helpforheroes.org.uk
www.cancerresearchuk.org
Vive le droit à la libre expression! Je suis Charlie!
www.helpforheroes.org.uk
www.cancerresearchuk.org
Vive le droit à la libre expression! Je suis Charlie!
www.helpforheroes.org.uk
www.cancerresearchuk.org
Cards on the table, I am building "eff-all" till i get some proper dimensions off anyone.
I am not a rofessional or full time or avid collector / prop maker. This is my first attempt, and im using what limited skills / knowledge i can to try and make this a success.
I have had a very helpful person email me privately who has agreed to assist. I guess hes quite private, so I will keep things confidential.
I will be modifying the colibri lighters I have purchased (2no.), and have found a very very close copy of the scaramanga pen.
Struggling to find brass plate with the hobnail / diamond / clous de paris pattern as the movie / SD / FE lighter to clad it. (currently have calls in to several clock makers . watch specialists)
I am no machinist by any stretch, but i have done some plumbing and can weld, braze and solder fair proficiently.
I work as a design engineer, so i can CAD the gun its entirety from sketches, and i have a friend who works at a CAD/CAM facility.
Once I have dims etc, i have a whole host of threaded parts, brass components (plate, bar, sheet) etc that i will begin to design for fabrication.
I also work with an ex-jewelry maker in my office who is used to working with precious metals, copper, bronze and industrial metals like stainless etc. Im hoping she will be able to do some of the more complex stuff and engraving works.
Planning to use Quartermasters gold plating company.
So, i will be designing the thing myself, working out whats what, and I have some great people who have offered to help me out, who are not bond fans, dont really understand why im going to such lengths, but are STILL being proactive and helpful
So DanJaq, yes, im scratching my balls........ big time,
But im trying so feckin hard to get some info so i can put my hands to better use. Im not looking to p155 anyone off here, but a bit of friendly support between bond fans might not go a miss... If youre not interested in helping, thats fine, but this is a post where im looking for help, not stick and grief.
ta.
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
Ta Geff.
If theres one thing i do, its tonnes of research and knowing my onions before I do a single thing.
Fail to plan, plan to fail.........
Measure twice, check twice, check again, then think about cutting......
PS, happy to advise on guns and stuff for anyone who has queries. I have recently purchased a RAP4 P99 Ram that fires 11.1mm riot ammo and painballs, full gas blowback 1:1 size and nearly weight.
Loves it.....
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
Agreed, seen quite a few photos. there are some prop ones and Quartermasters that have a nice chunky thick thread, but short so they 'could' actually be worn.
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
as a licenced shooter i have concerns when people start mentioning making working GG's. such things can do big damage to our reputation already tainted by the medias bias views.
Vive le droit à la libre expression! Je suis Charlie!
www.helpforheroes.org.uk
www.cancerresearchuk.org
Im an un licenced shooter (i.e. i own nothing that requires a licence).
I gave up on guns in the Uk a long time ago. I now shoot abroad whenever I get chance. got some great exotics under my belt over the last few years, mainly USA and Eastern Europe.
My local gun shop really struggles to beat teh legislation, with a large chunk of firearms no longer being sold nowadays, VCR and ban on mail order etc.
I have a great fire arms / smither i have spoken to who are very interested in this project. Im also toying with the idea of making an M82 50cal replica based on a full power pre-charged air rifle. they are happy to support this project too! great guys.
I understand your concerns on the matter of making 'firing' replicas, but if its done properly, with consultation with the local firearms officer, i see no issues. I certainly dont want to create a sh1t-storm for current owners.....
As ive explained, planning is key to success, so all i's will be dotted and all t's crossed before we get going.
PS, what do you shoot / own?
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
my local plod would prob raid me if i asked to make a TAC powered gun, which is why ive never looked into it in depth.
Vive le droit à la libre expression! Je suis Charlie!
www.helpforheroes.org.uk
www.cancerresearchuk.org
As previously noted, it would have to be physically impossible to convert to a firearm. This would either mean a backward facing TAC, or have it in the lower section of extendable breach, thus not in the line of the barrel.
I like the idea of the TAC, but i reckon a 'chargeabe' reservoir (either CO2 or R134a airsoft gas) filled like a lighter might be as good. Just got to think about how the firing pin / valve would work with the cufflink trigger. Ive already thought of a couple of neat ideas for the linkage / valve assembly, but I dont yet have any accurate dims for the extending breach from the colibri, so not 100% what could be cited / machined to go where.
The R134a (green gas) is fine for little plastic BBs, but hasnt got much clout for a proper lead pellet. Red gas (propane) has a lot more kick to it, as it flashes off from liquid to gas with more force, both of these can be filled like a lighter. I can easily sacrifice both the filling valve and the valve pin from an airsoft pistol mag, theyre only £10 a go for a complete mag anyhow....
The CO2 might be more problematic, as the pressure in those little CO2 sparklets are mental. Filling from one with a custom valve might be far trickier.
Que a weekend in the garage testing pressures and fill strategies.
For a 'single shot' there should be plenty 'o' volume in there somewhere for a gas charge.
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
Vive le droit à la libre expression! Je suis Charlie!
www.helpforheroes.org.uk
www.cancerresearchuk.org
yep, with "tranq" dart to hit my boss in the ass with.... LOL
Everyday would be pub day......
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
no, that's Pete The Great!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
PS, the most interesting fact is that you can actually (and legally) use a firing cap / blank to provide the propellant for an airgun (in principle). Again, it would have to be "completely impossible" to convert to a breach loading firearm, but my firearms dealer sees no reason why this could not be done within the restrictions of the law.
Apparently, so long as the power was below 12ft/lb (rifle) and 6ft/lb (pistol) it is "theoretically legal".
The same reverse principle applies to airguns. When they exceed 12ft/lb (rifle) and 6ft/lb (pistol), they fall under firearm classification, even though they are powered by air.
The propellant really has little to do with the classification, it is the power that determines whether its FAC requirement or not.
Having said that, it would be one hell of a tough debate with the firearms officer and a very complex build to have small rimfire blanks etc!
Bang, smoke, fun shooting! (followed by helicopter, armed response and very boring explanation down the rozza shop).....
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
It smells like trouble, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Trouble indeed!
Ive consulted quite a few people technically, but if anyone was to attempt to do the same, then tey would need to undertake all due process!
The airgun side of things (for the GG) is much simpler, because you are starting with something completely legal. the cap / blank route is fraught with difficulty, as most of the work / testing would have to be carried out by a registered firearms dealer / gunsmith to 'prove' it was below legal power limits.
Nobody (certainly not me) said it was easy..... LOL
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
Guys, is this the correct muzzle of the gun? This looks like a screen shot, but the SD GG's do not have the lower nub, and also appear to have a solid pocket clip rather than the 'parallel rail' ones with a gap running down the centre.
Confirmations appreciated.
Ta.
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!