this all sounds like too much hassle and danger to be worth it.
i personal would want a confirmation signed by the home secretary before making such a thing.
and just another tip, how about just dedicating one thread to this? its easier to follow and assist with.
In hindsight, agreed.
The fist rule of my engineering job is keep it simple.
I have decided to initially get a gun built, screen accurate.
In tandem, I will build a second extending breach for bench testing some low powered airgun / airsoft based firing mechanisms, something completely in the totally safe side of the law!As much as i love the idea of a gun that 'properly' fires, i aint going to prison for a glorified toy (albeit a very sexy lustrous shiney gold one, that i have craved for years!).
If i can get it all to work in that little breach assembly, i can transplant it for the inert breach.
several shepherds pies and a coupe of lasagne's......
I've done a bit of modelling over the years. Ive spent most of my life tinkering with precisions 'engineering' items (radio controlled cars, helicopter and lanes (unfortunately a bit crash happy...) nitro engines, currently on 1:6th scale 2 stoke 26cc monsters(14kg going at 60mph??? scary...)
Im used to precision type stuff for repairs and rebuilds of the engines and gearboxes etc.
This is my first prop build, but im properly excited! Everyone is being very helpful, and I feel ABJ007 is probably the strongest and most knowledgeable resource, judging by comments from you guys.
I decided to do this properly about 8 days ago. In that time i have collected a total of 470 photo, videos and files related to the golden gun. Unfortunately, most of them are at posed or angle views, and variable quality, so not fantastic for accurate dimensions / scaling off.
However, that said, ive realised from comparing all of these images there are some obvious film anomalies throughout TMWTGG. Thus relying on screen shots may not be the best way forward. 8-)
What don't sit straight with me is that you want to make this fire, forget the legal bollocks, it just wouldn't look right, the bore would be far to small, you are going about this all arse about face looking for a waterman pen, yes the pen was based on a waterman, but it was custom made in brass, the lighter was based on the molectric not 2 strapped together, you have some cool ideas, like with that lock thing, but it aint SA, none of that plate with the colibri pattern was used on the original, like I said solid brass, the 2nd Gen SD GG has an exact replica of the pen that is used on screen.
If you intend to make an SA GG, start with the original, use the screen caps, I dont know what caps you have? I would love to know at what point you see more than 1 GG in the movie
I appci iate the film gun was solid brass, and not patterned plate. I really need to speak to mike on this matter. He has a working lighter, proper size ( not the smaller 88 colibri, which is neither long enough nor wide enough to fit my initial size estimates). Presumably hes has a small 88 like mine in an outer shell /madam casing. I need o do something similar to ha e a woring lighter, hence i need patterned plate to clad around the 88 the and the extending breach.
Your point on the pen is what i was making reference to. Some of the screen shots (only 2 i think) show the actual waterman pen and not the custom barrell. When my pen arrives i willpost some.photos to demonstrate ;-)
This isnt going to be an SD, nor a quartermaster, but hopefully the best of both worlds. S reen accurate, but working and functional like mikes.
you couldn't have any of it working if you have it SA.
Confusion!
So if its 100% dimensionally accurate to the film (i.e. what you see on screen) but its enhanced 'internally' to work, its no longer screen accurate? Hmmm. I think that is splitting hairs....
I just dont see the logic of that. A working version of a prop that is screen accurate is far better in my humble opinion.
Can somebody technically explaan why if its screen accurate, the pen cant write, the lighter cant have a flame and the cufflink cant function?
The geometry and the components in the film surely facilitate this size wise?
Doez aayone know how close micks QM GG is to and SD 2nd gen? I feel like im missing something key here!
HELP!
gladly dear chap.
firstly mental mick's GG is not in any way, shape or form, SA. mick's grandad made it that way for copyright and build issue reasons. although i advised, warned and eventually lost my rag with him over the idea of 'making it work' i believe it does fire blanks or caps. not only is this dangerous, quite possibly illegal and **** stupid, mick still went and did it, and if we're discussing things like that on here, AJB itself could be in hot water as its allowed members to discuss illegal activites etc (this is how i believe the law currently works).
hence, mick, although with muh enthusiasm etc etc, is in my mind mental. nice lad though, just needs a swift backhander.
anyways, the bloody GG.
first the pen. ok, so you can have a pen, take the writing guts out when you want to fire the gun, fine no probs here.
the cufflink trigger. its firstly a crap design for a cufflink, is liable to fall out when being worn, plus how do you incorporate the 'stalk' into the design. the cufflink needs to attach to the gun's internals, so some change will need to be made to it which will either result in something too weak (like a magnet) or too clumbersome (like the FE threaded stalk.
the lighter. have you seen a lighter than extends, lights and is hollow inside to allow for the guts of an air pistol? no me neither. the way this piece works on screen is about as realistic as the much loved BTTF delorean. looks great but in no way in sweet sonny jesus' green earth will that ever work. the only way around making room for the airgun guts would be to go down the route of the pen - ie have working internals that are removable for when you want to plink.
the cig case. again, it needs to be hollow to hold the cigs. but hang on, wheres the gas supply, the regulator, the trigger mech, the sear, hammer all gonna go? we're back to that space issue aren't we jonny? uh huh, thats right jonny, it JUST WONT **** FIT!! (jonny recieves swift backhander with leather glove).
you need to remember that the working internals of even a CO2 air pistol are quite complex and need space to sit in. TBH a real firearm is technically a simpler mechanism, but we're not even thinking about that ARE WE??!! so we'll leave that idea alone, lock it up in a concrete lead lined box and drop that bitch in the ocean.
in my mind the bottom line is this;
dont make it fire anything more than a 6mm plastic BB if you really have to have it firing.
if it really needs to fire, have it solid to ease the locating the guts problems.
if you want to take it apart, have it solid and SA, why bother doing anything else?
oh and after shelling out on the materials, having someone machine them for you, the gold plating, the research time and buying many BB guns to rob bits from, it will be cheaper, quicker, easier and more accurate to just go and buy FE's piece instead. admittedly it dont fire, but i think i'd get laughed off the range if i took that with me.
Jeez! I get back from a few weeks Holiday away to find this )
did I get in a Delorian at some point and not know about it )
sorry I haven't posted yet on this topic, I bet many of you thought
I would have posted up, long before now.
minigeff since you are such a nice guy in my eyes, I will make you
a deal, You can give me a swift back hander AS long as I can follow
it up by a swift kick to your tadger ) only kidding Bud and I
totally understood you and the rest of the guys frustration with me
once looking back on the project etc once it was finished, I have
done a little bit of growing up since then, but do we guys ever grow
up..... in all honesty
OK onto the topic
After reading through all this, I am glad I was away on Holiday, as I
think I would have taken a while to pick my moment to post up.
Ok looking at this as a ( NON involved party ) I can see the history
repeating itself, and the same comments ( copy and paste jobs ) )
it feels like again and again.
One thing I am not too happy about is the fact that my project keeps
getting brought up again and again, PLEASE leave what I made, out
of the topic, I understand what you are aiming to make etc and I for
one, take my hat off to you for setting out to acheive what you want,
but one thing I would say is, take on board what a lot of the guys on
here post up, they do give, good sound advise, Even though when I
was on the receiving end of it back in the day, and although they all
thought their advice and words didn't sink in with me and maybe my
attitude was a little childish at the time when I posted up my replys
etc, their advice was taken on board and I do appreciate what they
taught me at the end of the day.
Ok my best advice to you is, go for what you want to make but BE
Very, Very smart about the way you go about it, what you are talking
about making is in a different league to what I made, you are talking
about making something that spits out a projectile ( I choose my
words carefully ) ) I thought along the same lines initialy, in terms of
maybe a BB airsoft, but scrapped the idea, because replica pistols and
airsoft are made by manufacturers and all items and products are
proofed and pass lots of safety checks etc, to then start modifying an
item and trying to keeps its functionality would be dodgy even in this
Mental Mickeys opinion )
Ok as for your project I would say, stop looking at The SD guns, as
cool and pretty and historical as they are, they were never 100%
SA.... Mines again, same issue none of it is SA like mentioned, My
Golden Gun initially started of with the intention of SA then, once we
started making the functions from designs etc, body work and look
had to be altered etc which backs up again what some of the guys
posted, You can't alter an off the shelf product into something else
and hope to keep the functionality, it is pretty impossible, My whole
Golden Gun on my video, which you have watched on youtube, does
do all what you see it doing, but at the end of the day its just a toy
and a labour of love, it was jointly designed by me and my Grandfather
but mostly built by him, a retired Metal specialist and engineer, to
attempt a project like this, you need experts on hand,
your best bet is to look and study and take from all images of the
Screen used Gun you can find, do lots of sketches and drawings of
it from what you see, make lots of notes of things and details you see
from looking at them. then hit the drawing board to design your GG.
Don't rush it and be too quick to jump to the build make it in stages
work on the pen, then once you are 100% happy with that move onto
another part, then once all components are designed, move onto the
design of how it will all go together, and in between the design of each
part, making small notes and ideas of how the part you are designing
might go together with another.
Also remember that looking at the screen used Guns from the film, you
are looking at 3 - 4 different props
As for my Golden Gun, thats been and gone, so would be cool to see
what you can come up with yourself, as I say I tip my hat to you
enthusiasm and ideas and I can fully understand how you may feel
about some of the comments you have received, but you need to see
that the guys are not trying to put a downer on your ideas and
project, they are looking out for your best interests, If they didn't
give a ****, they could say ''YEA BUY A DEACTIVATED LUGER and
convert it to live fire and modify that into a Golden Gun'' But they aint
Going buy what you have said in terms of the skills and resources you
have at hand, make a replica prop that goes together etc, much
like SD and FE see how you get on with that, they maybe make a Mark II
Golden Gun with more functionality built in. doing this will gain you
skills and knowledge of the build and make you see what would be the
best ways to take it forward for the next model.
In terms of your aims to fire I would say, Forget about it Bud, and I am
saying that because, My Golden Gun is SA to the film version in one way,
its an illusion! TMWTGG did not get any armed Police, storming the set
wanting to destroy The Golden Guns... But look at the 60s spy show
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. and the Walther's those guys used, which were
modifyed by the production crew, Uncle Sam went in heavy on them, when
they saw Modifyed Walther P38 pistols in the TV show.
if you are thinking about anything in way of firing, I would suggest aiming
for a toy cap pistol as opposed to an air weapon, I am saying this for your
own safety, The Golden Gun is not and never was that awful word REAL
best of luck with your project, I hope you will post up its progress and it
will receive some good thoughts and direction from us guys at ajb007
all the best ...... Mental Mickey ) minigeff are you an Only Fools & Horses
Fan too ??? )
minigeff are you an Only Fools & Horses
Fan too ??? )
you know it makes sense bruv, you plonker.
thanks for talking ALOT of sense in your last post mick, really glad to see the advice eventually paid off.
like mickey says mr DTD2, take heed of people's advice, we're not here to pi$$ on your GG bonfire, we're just making an effort to assist in the best way we can.
minigeff are you an Only Fools & Horses
Fan too ??? )
you know it makes sense bruv, you plonker.
thanks for talking ALOT of sense in your last post mick, really glad to see the advice eventually paid off.
like mickey says mr DTD2, take heed of people's advice, we're not here to pi$$ on your GG bonfire, we're just making an effort to assist in the best way we can.
Can somebody technically explaan why if its screen accurate, the pen cant write, the lighter cant have a flame and the cufflink cant function?
The geometry and the components in the film surely facilitate this size wise?
Doez aayone know how close micks QM GG is to and SD 2nd gen? I feel like im missing something key here!
HELP!
gladly dear chap.
firstly mental mick's GG is not in any way, shape or form, SA. mick's grandad made it that way for copyright and build issue reasons. although i advised, warned and eventually lost my rag with him over the idea of 'making it work' i believe it does fire blanks or caps. not only is this dangerous, quite possibly illegal and **** stupid, mick still went and did it, and if we're discussing things like that on here, AJB itself could be in hot water as its allowed members to discuss illegal activites etc (this is how i believe the law currently works).
hence, mick, although with muh enthusiasm etc etc, is in my mind mental. nice lad though, just needs a swift backhander.
anyways, the bloody GG.
first the pen. ok, so you can have a pen, take the writing guts out when you want to fire the gun, fine no probs here.
the cufflink trigger. its firstly a crap design for a cufflink, is liable to fall out when being worn, plus how do you incorporate the 'stalk' into the design. the cufflink needs to attach to the gun's internals, so some change will need to be made to it which will either result in something too weak (like a magnet) or too clumbersome (like the FE threaded stalk.
the lighter. have you seen a lighter than extends, lights and is hollow inside to allow for the guts of an air pistol? no me neither. the way this piece works on screen is about as realistic as the much loved BTTF delorean. looks great but in no way in sweet sonny jesus' green earth will that ever work. the only way around making room for the airgun guts would be to go down the route of the pen - ie have working internals that are removable for when you want to plink.
the cig case. again, it needs to be hollow to hold the cigs. but hang on, wheres the gas supply, the regulator, the trigger mech, the sear, hammer all gonna go? we're back to that space issue aren't we jonny? uh huh, thats right jonny, it JUST WONT **** FIT!! (jonny recieves swift backhander with leather glove).
you need to remember that the working internals of even a CO2 air pistol are quite complex and need space to sit in. TBH a real firearm is technically a simpler mechanism, but we're not even thinking about that ARE WE??!! so we'll leave that idea alone, lock it up in a concrete lead lined box and drop that bitch in the ocean.
in my mind the bottom line is this;
dont make it fire anything more than a 6mm plastic BB if you really have to have it firing.
if it really needs to fire, have it solid to ease the locating the guts problems.
if you want to take it apart, have it solid and SA, why bother doing anything else?
oh and after shelling out on the materials, having someone machine them for you, the gold plating, the research time and buying many BB guns to rob bits from, it will be cheaper, quicker, easier and more accurate to just go and buy FE's piece instead. admittedly it dont fire, but i think i'd get laughed off the range if i took that with me.
Firstly, sorry for the spelling mistakes before. im not some illiterate moron, but typing on my smartphone screen isnt my strongest skill.....
Geff, all comments welcomed.
I have reservations about mick's firing design, as im not sure its been 'thought through'. but I agree, these discussions should not be within these forums, so lets leaves caps and blanks etc completely (bitch in lead box, in ocean :)))
So, based on a sensible "fully legal" route:
I am not planing to have anything for the firing mechanical anywhere other than in the extending breach part (i.e. not the ciggie case).
IF this is going to fire, it will have to be the simplest mechanism known to man.... Along the lines of a simple linkage to a quick release valve. Having played around with some of my airgun mags, the glock 26c airsoft mag is the most likely. Im thinking of using the high flow valve, but the reservoir would be part of the extending breach. (I.e., there would be a small lighter style charging point). In effect, it wold be the airsoft magazine (reservoir and valve close coupled), but with a much smaller reservoir, probably only gassed for 4/5 shots.
Ive stripped down enough airguns over the years to understand you comment, but there are some very very simple designs to crib from, especially when everything bah the firing pin is onboard the magazine.
Trying to get from the butt, into the hollow of the lighter and into the extending breach is nigh on impossible. I accept that fully, but this was never my intension. (any chance you can take that leather gloved backhander back???)
When i get a chance, i will try to sketch up exactly what I mean, but I dont have exact dims for the extending breach from anyone yet, so it will be a "best estimate" to show the principle.
The cufflinks have been annoying me for a while now, i just dont like the threads, however, is there any reason why the cufflink could have a female thread??? (que lightbulb ding).
When the ciggie case lid flips over, a small thread could be eased from the inside through what was the top of the case to the trigger point. Thus a short robust male thread appears for the cufflink to attach to. This in my mind gives a better cufflink, and a better method of fixing to the case lid top / trigger point.
The cufflink itself doesnt seem to function too well (as you pointed out). Im thinking the shaped plate closest to the trigger fixing should be fixed to the be of the cuff link, and the other should be capable of moving through 90 degrees. I have thought a small spring load ball mechanism would help keep it in place at its 6 o clock (trigger) and 9 o clock (in shirt) position, applying some pressure against the shaft as a stay, much like the toggle bar on a proper cuff link, that seems to have a 'click' seating motion.
I like the FE, dont get me wrong, its a cracking item, but its a tad shiney for my liking, and the cufflink really isnt to my liking. but for anyone who hasnt / cant afford and SD, its gotta be the best option.
Agreed, I think you would get laughed off the range with a GG, but I only shoot at home for my own pleasure, so i really dont give a fig about what pro-shooters think...... )
Finally, I have seen many a reference to a 4.2 calibre bullet, but all of the props look much bigger than this. Has anyone measured either any of the SD or FE bullets Could somebody provide a dim please?:007)
Jeez! I get back from a few weeks Holiday away to find this )
did I get in a Delorian at some point and not know about it )
sorry I haven't posted yet on this topic, I bet many of you thought
I would have posted up, long before now.
minigeff since you are such a nice guy in my eyes, I will make you
a deal, You can give me a swift back hander AS long as I can follow
it up by a swift kick to your tadger ) only kidding Bud and I
totally understood you and the rest of the guys frustration with me
once looking back on the project etc once it was finished, I have
done a little bit of growing up since then, but do we guys ever grow
up..... in all honesty
OK onto the topic
After reading through all this, I am glad I was away on Holiday, as I
think I would have taken a while to pick my moment to post up.
Ok looking at this as a ( NON involved party ) I can see the history
repeating itself, and the same comments ( copy and paste jobs ) )
it feels like again and again.
One thing I am not too happy about is the fact that my project keeps
getting brought up again and again, PLEASE leave what I made, out
of the topic, I understand what you are aiming to make etc and I for
one, take my hat off to you for setting out to acheive what you want,
but one thing I would say is, take on board what a lot of the guys on
here post up, they do give, good sound advise, Even though when I
was on the receiving end of it back in the day, and although they all
thought their advice and words didn't sink in with me and maybe my
attitude was a little childish at the time when I posted up my replys
etc, their advice was taken on board and I do appreciate what they
taught me at the end of the day.
Ok my best advice to you is, go for what you want to make but BE
Very, Very smart about the way you go about it, what you are talking
about making is in a different league to what I made, you are talking
about making something that spits out a projectile ( I choose my
words carefully ) ) I thought along the same lines initialy, in terms of
maybe a BB airsoft, but scrapped the idea, because replica pistols and
airsoft are made by manufacturers and all items and products are
proofed and pass lots of safety checks etc, to then start modifying an
item and trying to keeps its functionality would be dodgy even in this
Mental Mickeys opinion )
Ok as for your project I would say, stop looking at The SD guns, as
cool and pretty and historical as they are, they were never 100%
SA.... Mines again, same issue none of it is SA like mentioned, My
Golden Gun initially started of with the intention of SA then, once we
started making the functions from designs etc, body work and look
had to be altered etc which backs up again what some of the guys
posted, You can't alter an off the shelf product into something else
and hope to keep the functionality, it is pretty impossible, My whole
Golden Gun on my video, which you have watched on youtube, does
do all what you see it doing, but at the end of the day its just a toy
and a labour of love, it was jointly designed by me and my Grandfather
but mostly built by him, a retired Metal specialist and engineer, to
attempt a project like this, you need experts on hand,
your best bet is to look and study and take from all images of the
Screen used Gun you can find, do lots of sketches and drawings of
it from what you see, make lots of notes of things and details you see
from looking at them. then hit the drawing board to design your GG.
Don't rush it and be too quick to jump to the build make it in stages
work on the pen, then once you are 100% happy with that move onto
another part, then once all components are designed, move onto the
design of how it will all go together, and in between the design of each
part, making small notes and ideas of how the part you are designing
might go together with another.
Also remember that looking at the screen used Guns from the film, you
are looking at 3 - 4 different props
As for my Golden Gun, thats been and gone, so would be cool to see
what you can come up with yourself, as I say I tip my hat to you
enthusiasm and ideas and I can fully understand how you may feel
about some of the comments you have received, but you need to see
that the guys are not trying to put a downer on your ideas and
project, they are looking out for your best interests, If they didn't
give a ****, they could say ''YEA BUY A DEACTIVATED LUGER and
convert it to live fire and modify that into a Golden Gun'' But they aint
Going buy what you have said in terms of the skills and resources you
have at hand, make a replica prop that goes together etc, much
like SD and FE see how you get on with that, they maybe make a Mark II
Golden Gun with more functionality built in. doing this will gain you
skills and knowledge of the build and make you see what would be the
best ways to take it forward for the next model.
In terms of your aims to fire I would say, Forget about it Bud, and I am
saying that because, My Golden Gun is SA to the film version in one way,
its an illusion! TMWTGG did not get any armed Police, storming the set
wanting to destroy The Golden Guns... But look at the 60s spy show
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. and the Walther's those guys used, which were
modifyed by the production crew, Uncle Sam went in heavy on them, when
they saw Modifyed Walther P38 pistols in the TV show.
if you are thinking about anything in way of firing, I would suggest aiming
for a toy cap pistol as opposed to an air weapon, I am saying this for your
own safety, The Golden Gun is not and never was that awful word REAL
best of luck with your project, I hope you will post up its progress and it
will receive some good thoughts and direction from us guys at ajb007
all the best ...... Mental Mickey ) minigeff are you an Only Fools & Horses
Fan too ??? )
Michael, you're alive!
I was beginning to think you'd fallen down a deep hole somewhere! 8-)
Im Vaughn, by the way, as everyone is providing their own shorted versions of my ID (D2d, Mr D2d etc...)
Thanks for the advice, much obliged!
My biggest point of interest on your project is the lighter.
A) you have a working lighter still have space for the golden bullet.
Is the lighter assembly oversized to the SA?
So far, I have one scaled side sketch of the gun. I have a couple of people who are kindly providing me with some proper dimensions. I am trained in CAD and semi-competent in 3D cad, so I can actually build all of this in the sftware and tart / tittivate to my hearts content.
At the moment im buying and procuring lots of components to (and quote) "play about with". exactly for the reasons you stated. Im not about to rush out to the garage with a hacksaw and drills until I know its all properly designed.
There are a few bits of the build that WILL be outside my skillset. for this reason I need to make sure anything that has to be fabricated by a friend or professional is correct, as I dont have the money to p1$$ up the wall. So its definitely measure twice, check measure again, cut once....
believe the SD rounds were 9mm cartridge with 7.62mm bullets.
LOL, the 4.2's bigger angrier steroid fuelled cousins then......
Ok, so here lies a debate.....
Should my bullets be As the prop (i.e. grossly oversized) OR accurate to the dimensions actually provided, i.e. a 4.2mm scaled to the proportions of a SD rounds?!?! FOOk!
Would this be "Screen Accurate" Vs "Script Accurate" ??
I know the smaller rounds would be easier to sit next to a working flame assembly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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this all sounds like too much hassle and danger to be worth it.
i personal would want a confirmation signed by the home secretary before making such a thing.
and just another tip, how about just dedicating one thread to this? its easier to follow and assist with.
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In hindsight, agreed.
The fist rule of my engineering job is keep it simple.
I have decided to initially get a gun built, screen accurate.
In tandem, I will build a second extending breach for bench testing some low powered airgun / airsoft based firing mechanisms, something completely in the totally safe side of the law!As much as i love the idea of a gun that 'properly' fires, i aint going to prison for a glorified toy (albeit a very sexy lustrous shiney gold one, that i have craved for years!).
If i can get it all to work in that little breach assembly, i can transplant it for the inert breach.
Simples..... cuuuucchhh....
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That is my speciality
You sure this one aint on day release
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Whos mickey? why so mental??
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
Im hurt.... i thought we were dating ?:)
LOL.
Seriously though chaps, grateful for the help and pointers. Much obliged. -{
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
several shepherds pies and a coupe of lasagne's......
I've done a bit of modelling over the years. Ive spent most of my life tinkering with precisions 'engineering' items (radio controlled cars, helicopter and lanes (unfortunately a bit crash happy...) nitro engines, currently on 1:6th scale 2 stoke 26cc monsters(14kg going at 60mph??? scary...)
Im used to precision type stuff for repairs and rebuilds of the engines and gearboxes etc.
This is my first prop build, but im properly excited! Everyone is being very helpful, and I feel ABJ007 is probably the strongest and most knowledgeable resource, judging by comments from you guys.
I decided to do this properly about 8 days ago. In that time i have collected a total of 470 photo, videos and files related to the golden gun. Unfortunately, most of them are at posed or angle views, and variable quality, so not fantastic for accurate dimensions / scaling off.
However, that said, ive realised from comparing all of these images there are some obvious film anomalies throughout TMWTGG. Thus relying on screen shots may not be the best way forward. 8-)
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
If you intend to make an SA GG, start with the original, use the screen caps, I dont know what caps you have? I would love to know at what point you see more than 1 GG in the movie
Your point on the pen is what i was making reference to. Some of the screen shots (only 2 i think) show the actual waterman pen and not the custom barrell. When my pen arrives i willpost some.photos to demonstrate ;-)
This isnt going to be an SD, nor a quartermaster, but hopefully the best of both worlds. S reen accurate, but working and functional like mikes.
That is the sole aim.
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!!
some (admittedly not all) props just CAN'T be made SA and work. the GG is such a prop.
you now have a major decision to make;
a) make it SA and do a proper job so it comes apart or
b) make it functional but a solid piece.
combining functionality and a modular SA is impossible.
if it was, don't you think i'd have done it already? (actually i wouldnt cos im sick of GGs lmao)
MG
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Confusion!
So if its 100% dimensionally accurate to the film (i.e. what you see on screen) but its enhanced 'internally' to work, its no longer screen accurate? Hmmm. I think that is splitting hairs....
I just dont see the logic of that. A working version of a prop that is screen accurate is far better in my humble opinion.
But i respect your preference.
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The geometry and the components in the film surely facilitate this size wise?
Doez aayone know how close micks QM GG is to and SD 2nd gen? I feel like im missing something key here!
HELP!
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gladly dear chap.
firstly mental mick's GG is not in any way, shape or form, SA. mick's grandad made it that way for copyright and build issue reasons. although i advised, warned and eventually lost my rag with him over the idea of 'making it work' i believe it does fire blanks or caps. not only is this dangerous, quite possibly illegal and **** stupid, mick still went and did it, and if we're discussing things like that on here, AJB itself could be in hot water as its allowed members to discuss illegal activites etc (this is how i believe the law currently works).
hence, mick, although with muh enthusiasm etc etc, is in my mind mental. nice lad though, just needs a swift backhander.
anyways, the bloody GG.
first the pen. ok, so you can have a pen, take the writing guts out when you want to fire the gun, fine no probs here.
the cufflink trigger. its firstly a crap design for a cufflink, is liable to fall out when being worn, plus how do you incorporate the 'stalk' into the design. the cufflink needs to attach to the gun's internals, so some change will need to be made to it which will either result in something too weak (like a magnet) or too clumbersome (like the FE threaded stalk.
the lighter. have you seen a lighter than extends, lights and is hollow inside to allow for the guts of an air pistol? no me neither. the way this piece works on screen is about as realistic as the much loved BTTF delorean. looks great but in no way in sweet sonny jesus' green earth will that ever work. the only way around making room for the airgun guts would be to go down the route of the pen - ie have working internals that are removable for when you want to plink.
the cig case. again, it needs to be hollow to hold the cigs. but hang on, wheres the gas supply, the regulator, the trigger mech, the sear, hammer all gonna go? we're back to that space issue aren't we jonny? uh huh, thats right jonny, it JUST WONT **** FIT!! (jonny recieves swift backhander with leather glove).
you need to remember that the working internals of even a CO2 air pistol are quite complex and need space to sit in. TBH a real firearm is technically a simpler mechanism, but we're not even thinking about that ARE WE??!! so we'll leave that idea alone, lock it up in a concrete lead lined box and drop that bitch in the ocean.
in my mind the bottom line is this;
dont make it fire anything more than a 6mm plastic BB if you really have to have it firing.
if it really needs to fire, have it solid to ease the locating the guts problems.
if you want to take it apart, have it solid and SA, why bother doing anything else?
oh and after shelling out on the materials, having someone machine them for you, the gold plating, the research time and buying many BB guns to rob bits from, it will be cheaper, quicker, easier and more accurate to just go and buy FE's piece instead. admittedly it dont fire, but i think i'd get laughed off the range if i took that with me.
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did I get in a Delorian at some point and not know about it
sorry I haven't posted yet on this topic, I bet many of you thought
I would have posted up, long before now.
minigeff since you are such a nice guy in my eyes, I will make you
a deal, You can give me a swift back hander AS long as I can follow
it up by a swift kick to your tadger
totally understood you and the rest of the guys frustration with me
once looking back on the project etc once it was finished, I have
done a little bit of growing up since then, but do we guys ever grow
up..... in all honesty
OK onto the topic
After reading through all this, I am glad I was away on Holiday, as I
think I would have taken a while to pick my moment to post up.
Ok looking at this as a ( NON involved party ) I can see the history
repeating itself, and the same comments ( copy and paste jobs
it feels like again and again.
One thing I am not too happy about is the fact that my project keeps
getting brought up again and again, PLEASE leave what I made, out
of the topic, I understand what you are aiming to make etc and I for
one, take my hat off to you for setting out to acheive what you want,
but one thing I would say is, take on board what a lot of the guys on
here post up, they do give, good sound advise, Even though when I
was on the receiving end of it back in the day, and although they all
thought their advice and words didn't sink in with me and maybe my
attitude was a little childish at the time when I posted up my replys
etc, their advice was taken on board and I do appreciate what they
taught me at the end of the day.
Ok my best advice to you is, go for what you want to make but BE
Very, Very smart about the way you go about it, what you are talking
about making is in a different league to what I made, you are talking
about making something that spits out a projectile ( I choose my
words carefully
maybe a BB airsoft, but scrapped the idea, because replica pistols and
airsoft are made by manufacturers and all items and products are
proofed and pass lots of safety checks etc, to then start modifying an
item and trying to keeps its functionality would be dodgy even in this
Mental Mickeys opinion
Ok as for your project I would say, stop looking at The SD guns, as
cool and pretty and historical as they are, they were never 100%
SA.... Mines again, same issue none of it is SA like mentioned, My
Golden Gun initially started of with the intention of SA then, once we
started making the functions from designs etc, body work and look
had to be altered etc which backs up again what some of the guys
posted, You can't alter an off the shelf product into something else
and hope to keep the functionality, it is pretty impossible, My whole
Golden Gun on my video, which you have watched on youtube, does
do all what you see it doing, but at the end of the day its just a toy
and a labour of love, it was jointly designed by me and my Grandfather
but mostly built by him, a retired Metal specialist and engineer, to
attempt a project like this, you need experts on hand,
your best bet is to look and study and take from all images of the
Screen used Gun you can find, do lots of sketches and drawings of
it from what you see, make lots of notes of things and details you see
from looking at them. then hit the drawing board to design your GG.
Don't rush it and be too quick to jump to the build make it in stages
work on the pen, then once you are 100% happy with that move onto
another part, then once all components are designed, move onto the
design of how it will all go together, and in between the design of each
part, making small notes and ideas of how the part you are designing
might go together with another.
Also remember that looking at the screen used Guns from the film, you
are looking at 3 - 4 different props
As for my Golden Gun, thats been and gone, so would be cool to see
what you can come up with yourself, as I say I tip my hat to you
enthusiasm and ideas and I can fully understand how you may feel
about some of the comments you have received, but you need to see
that the guys are not trying to put a downer on your ideas and
project, they are looking out for your best interests, If they didn't
give a ****, they could say ''YEA BUY A DEACTIVATED LUGER and
convert it to live fire and modify that into a Golden Gun'' But they aint
Going buy what you have said in terms of the skills and resources you
have at hand, make a replica prop that goes together etc, much
like SD and FE see how you get on with that, they maybe make a Mark II
Golden Gun with more functionality built in. doing this will gain you
skills and knowledge of the build and make you see what would be the
best ways to take it forward for the next model.
In terms of your aims to fire I would say, Forget about it Bud, and I am
saying that because, My Golden Gun is SA to the film version in one way,
its an illusion! TMWTGG did not get any armed Police, storming the set
wanting to destroy The Golden Guns... But look at the 60s spy show
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. and the Walther's those guys used, which were
modifyed by the production crew, Uncle Sam went in heavy on them, when
they saw Modifyed Walther P38 pistols in the TV show.
if you are thinking about anything in way of firing, I would suggest aiming
for a toy cap pistol as opposed to an air weapon, I am saying this for your
own safety, The Golden Gun is not and never was that awful word REAL
best of luck with your project, I hope you will post up its progress and it
will receive some good thoughts and direction from us guys at ajb007
all the best ...... Mental Mickey
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you know it makes sense bruv, you plonker.
thanks for talking ALOT of sense in your last post mick, really glad to see the advice eventually paid off.
like mickey says mr DTD2, take heed of people's advice, we're not here to pi$$ on your GG bonfire, we're just making an effort to assist in the best way we can.
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Yeah alright Trig :v
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Firstly, sorry for the spelling mistakes before. im not some illiterate moron, but typing on my smartphone screen isnt my strongest skill.....
Geff, all comments welcomed.
I have reservations about mick's firing design, as im not sure its been 'thought through'. but I agree, these discussions should not be within these forums, so lets leaves caps and blanks etc completely (bitch in lead box, in ocean
So, based on a sensible "fully legal" route:
I am not planing to have anything for the firing mechanical anywhere other than in the extending breach part (i.e. not the ciggie case).
IF this is going to fire, it will have to be the simplest mechanism known to man.... Along the lines of a simple linkage to a quick release valve. Having played around with some of my airgun mags, the glock 26c airsoft mag is the most likely. Im thinking of using the high flow valve, but the reservoir would be part of the extending breach. (I.e., there would be a small lighter style charging point). In effect, it wold be the airsoft magazine (reservoir and valve close coupled), but with a much smaller reservoir, probably only gassed for 4/5 shots.
Ive stripped down enough airguns over the years to understand you comment, but there are some very very simple designs to crib from, especially when everything bah the firing pin is onboard the magazine.
Trying to get from the butt, into the hollow of the lighter and into the extending breach is nigh on impossible. I accept that fully, but this was never my intension. (any chance you can take that leather gloved backhander back???)
When i get a chance, i will try to sketch up exactly what I mean, but I dont have exact dims for the extending breach from anyone yet, so it will be a "best estimate" to show the principle.
The cufflinks have been annoying me for a while now, i just dont like the threads, however, is there any reason why the cufflink could have a female thread??? (que lightbulb ding).
When the ciggie case lid flips over, a small thread could be eased from the inside through what was the top of the case to the trigger point. Thus a short robust male thread appears for the cufflink to attach to. This in my mind gives a better cufflink, and a better method of fixing to the case lid top / trigger point.
The cufflink itself doesnt seem to function too well (as you pointed out). Im thinking the shaped plate closest to the trigger fixing should be fixed to the be of the cuff link, and the other should be capable of moving through 90 degrees. I have thought a small spring load ball mechanism would help keep it in place at its 6 o clock (trigger) and 9 o clock (in shirt) position, applying some pressure against the shaft as a stay, much like the toggle bar on a proper cuff link, that seems to have a 'click' seating motion.
I like the FE, dont get me wrong, its a cracking item, but its a tad shiney for my liking, and the cufflink really isnt to my liking. but for anyone who hasnt / cant afford and SD, its gotta be the best option.
Agreed, I think you would get laughed off the range with a GG, but I only shoot at home for my own pleasure, so i really dont give a fig about what pro-shooters think......
Finally, I have seen many a reference to a 4.2 calibre bullet, but all of the props look much bigger than this. Has anyone measured either any of the SD or FE bullets Could somebody provide a dim please?:007)
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Michael, you're alive!
I was beginning to think you'd fallen down a deep hole somewhere! 8-)
Im Vaughn, by the way, as everyone is providing their own shorted versions of my ID (D2d, Mr D2d etc...)
Thanks for the advice, much obliged!
My biggest point of interest on your project is the lighter.
A) you have a working lighter
Is the lighter assembly oversized to the SA?
So far, I have one scaled side sketch of the gun. I have a couple of people who are kindly providing me with some proper dimensions. I am trained in CAD and semi-competent in 3D cad, so I can actually build all of this in the sftware and tart / tittivate to my hearts content.
At the moment im buying and procuring lots of components to (and quote) "play about with". exactly for the reasons you stated. Im not about to rush out to the garage with a hacksaw and drills until I know its all properly designed.
There are a few bits of the build that WILL be outside my skillset. for this reason I need to make sure anything that has to be fabricated by a friend or professional is correct, as I dont have the money to p1$$ up the wall. So its definitely measure twice, check measure again, cut once....
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LOL, the 4.2's bigger angrier steroid fuelled cousins then......
Ok, so here lies a debate.....
Should my bullets be As the prop (i.e. grossly oversized) OR accurate to the dimensions actually provided, i.e. a 4.2mm scaled to the proportions of a SD rounds?!?! FOOk!
Would this be "Screen Accurate" Vs "Script Accurate" ??
I know the smaller rounds would be easier to sit next to a working flame assembly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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