Bond 23 - What would you like and not like to see return?
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So with Bond 23 now finally in the pipeline what clothing and accessories items featured in CR and QoS would you like to see return in the next movie and what wouldn't you like to see come back?
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Apart from the question, if a taxpayer-funded agent will be able to afford > US$ 6000 suits and an Aston DBS, I don't like the fashion.
Look at the Plane-bar scene. DC looks so over-styled to what we see from Connery (and that was very expensive stuff as well!
So, I'd like to see some items which are a bit more affordable and stylish than we have seen on Quantum.
And maybe Pete can contribute some buttplugs from his collection for a screen appearance? :v
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I really don't get the overstyled in the plane bar scene. Suit, shirt, tie. Was it the color that bothered you?
The Ford suits looked great on Craig, that's what matters. If some other company can make suits that look as good for three hundred dollars, then great! Maybe they'll show him going into Men's Wearhouse(at least the London equivalent) for believability. That's probably a much more likely place for a government worker to get suits.
I hate it from a "I cant afford to collect it" thing. However I preffered the Brioni suits in CR look wise. Adore the TF Harrington mind!
I appreciate not everyone will agree with (that's fine) but that's my opinion
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or to be fair, something i can actually afford would be nice. 6 grand suits, 8 grand suitcases.......
how about a nice 3 piece from asda?
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That's the thing though, the suits Craig the actor is wearing are TF. The suits that Bond the character is wearing are whatever you want them to be. The suits look great, better than they have in decades. Why mess that up so that the character will be still be wearing a suit of unknown origins. Not like they're going to show Bond picking out fabrics.
Batman and Superman are American but I'm not complaining because Bale and Cavill are playing them. They suit the parts. Ford suits the part also. See what I did there?
Also, different discussion but Saville Row really isn't any more affordable than Ford. Yes they're less expensive but when you get that high it doesn't really matter. Your general government employee isn't going to spend ten percent of his income on one suit.
no but an MP might, what are expenses for?
however on a serious side, i actually liked that scene in LALD where bond's picking his ties out "thats a little frantic i'll keep the other 3", always makes me chuckle. kinda reminds me of that bit in The Italian Job where Micheal Caine's Charlie Croker exclaims "julian, shorten the sleeves love, I'm not a gorilla". quality stuff. in honesty, i think seeing a bit of 'behind the scenes' bond gives a bit more realism to the character. otherwise we just get a man in a suit smashing up an expensive sports car on the shores of lake como.
we all know the in's and out's of bond in the books, wouldn't it be nice to see some of it on the silver screen?
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More of a fan of the Ford suits. It may have as much to do with Craig's build as it did to the brand as to why they fit him better but the details on the Ford suits are more to my taste.
Again, Bond isn't dressed by one super expensive designer, Craig is.
That's what I'm saying though. Even if they did show that, place it wherever you want, like Savile Row. As long as the suits look good, who cares who made them.
In the scene in Limitless, Bradley Cooper goes to an unnamed tailor for his suit. It looks great on him. The average viewer doesn't know it's Tom Ford because there's no reason for them to. Same in Payback. Gibson goes to a tailor. Who made the suits? Doesn't matter. If the story says it's a Savile Row suit, then it is, even if it's a Ford.
The average viewer has no clue that Bond's suits are made in Italy from the designs of an American.
i'll grab the kevlar now.....
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No, both are.
Recall the line "Rolex?"
Bond's response? "Omega."
These brands are Bond's even before he may mention it.
They aren't trying to sell us on "Craig only wears Tom Ford," because we aren't trying to watch a documentary on Craig. They want us to see James Bond with these brands. That is why Omega lists Craig and Bond as two separate ambassadors on their site. The producers know that we will look up what clothes James Bond wore in the movie and it will be totally different than looking up what brands Craig normally wears (well, somewhat different).
If they pick and announce a clothing brand that will be worn in the movie, it is saying that the character will be seen in this which tells us that in the film's version of the fiction, those brands are Bond's brands because we have been informed of what they are.
Had we never known the brands it would be different and I could assume that we are to assume he has any old brands on (that is the approach of the Harry Potter films so fans don't have that distraction of brands that may be mistaken as choices of the characters, they just use clothes that are house made or have no logos so we don't have the issue of recognizing the character with a brand. Gap clothes were used in several Potter scenes, but without logos, most fans simply see them in their alternate magical world without our accessible brands), but we are told the brands and are to see them as Bond's.
Rolex and Omega are brands that even people who don't care about watches know. Like all the Sony wares, that was a straight up advertisement. Not even a close comparison. The average viewer has no idea who Tom Ford is, and couldn't afford his products even if they did.
They aren't trying to sell us that Bond only wears Tom Ford, the everything argument breaks down with Church's, Levi's, Y-3, Prada, 7FAM.
Totally disagree with the point that Bond wears Ford just because they announced that Craig did. They would have mentioned it in the movie if that was the intent. Would have been very simple to add in the logo at some point.
Only saw the first half of the first Harry Potter movie, but I get your point. Doesn't carry over though. Bond's clothes aren't covered with logos that distract the viewer. By that line of reasoning though, why would it be any less distracting for Bond to wear a named Savile Row designer over Ford?
Bond the character should wear impeccable suits. The designer doesn't matter at all.
He wears other brands and we are supposed to know them too, but we know the main clothes brand of the film for tailored and high end. And I wasn't trying to say they announced Craig wore Tom Ford, I was referring to Tom Ford being announced in association with the Bond movie. It says Tom Ford did the clothes in the credits. And whether the clothes have the logos or a computer does, there is no denying that Bond is big product placement and many objects cause brand association with the character in the movie. If I know his phone is Sony I can't pretend it is just a phone. I know he wore Tom Ford so he IS wearing Tom Ford. If they weren't willing to have us associate Tom Ford with Bond, they would have made the clothes in house and avoided that all together.
The main thing is, Tom Ford had too big a presence in my opinion. Sure, Bond needs his amazing suits, but does he need Cardigans and sunglasses and jackets and shirts from the same designer? Bond would wear a great suit brand, great shoe brand, great sunglasses brand, great jacket brand, and that would be more pleasing to me as that is how it has been in the films in the past. I just feel there was a bit too much Tom Ford bleeding into areas outside his brand's expertise. It is not something we are supposed to ignore nor something I can ignore.
I am not passionate about the issue. If it is the exact same brand arrangement again, I'll be pleased to know he will still look great, but I would be pleased with returning variety as well. Considering the next one has set the record in product placement deals, we are sure to see more logos than any movie has before. Let's just hope it isn't Minority Report style with a hall of commercials scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyMdrOGhBhI&feature=related
Take the Batman movies for example. I know that his costume is made of foam rubber and couldn't stop a hard sneeze in his direction, but within the movie, it's armored and insulated and any other number of things that they say it is. Hell, I'd be fine if they made a comic style costume. If it looks like fabric but they say it's made of some unobtanium that can do anything they want, then it is. Doesn't matter if it's really spandex.
Some people only like the "armored" suits because Batman couldn't possibly stay safe in a fabric suit. I say if Alfred tells the audience it's made from some Kryptonian fabric that can do everything that an earthly armored suit can do, then that's that. I would have no problem separating what I know the costume really is and what it is within the film.
Same with the Bond films. If they say it's Savile Row and it's actually made by JCPenney or Tom Ford, who am I to argue. If they don't say at all, no big deal to me. As long as it looks good, I'm happy.
Difference is, it is Tom Ford and it looks like Tom Ford.
I think many of us aren't distraught in superhero films because of costume materials. The clothing by Tom Ford in Bond is a product placement. The product is what it is in real life or in Bond's life. And this isn't about production and story, because product placement is the involvement of brands within the fiction. People wouldn't watch movies if production was always on their minds. Casino Royale is my favorite movie and production is not a problem for me in watching movies. We are simply talking about one brand and its potential in Bond 23. I am not thinking that a show like Mad Men (another favorite) is worse because I know their clothes aren't really from the 60s. That wasn't the problem.
In Die Another Day, do you think the suit he had made by his HK tailor(can't remember where he was exactly, and don't want to watch it again) was actually a Brioni, or did he really have a HK tailor make it? Of course it was Brioni, but not in the story. In Casino Royale, when Vesper gives him the dinner jacket, it's supposed to be a custom but we all know it's Brioni, right. It's not Brioni in the story though. If it never explicitly says, then it isn't known within the story.
All Brionis and SR tailored suits looked much better in my books.
Is that accepatable for you, Kittle? {:)
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That's true. And when Vesper talks about Bond's suit on the train, she implies that it's from Savile Row and definitely not Italian.It has been 26 years since Bond has worn an English bespoke suit.
Absolutely. First step is admitting your mistake.
To me the Brioni look might as well be a sack suit. They don't fit Craig's Bond in style or personality. He looks like a politician. Like I said before though, the Brioni suits might have looked better on Craig on his QoS build. As far as Savile Row for Craig though, too much of a range to really say much about preference.
?:) which mistake are you talking about?
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Well, choice in suits(and the whole Dalton thing also but that's another thread).
How about you ?
And regarding the entire Dalton thing: You may see from the "least liked Bond actor" thread, that some high-profile members here share my opinion.
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