well, it seems, that I have the ability to reflect my thoughts and opionions and don't state them as eternal and common. It's my tate, I stand with it and agree that there are other opinions.
How about you ?
) Man, you really take things too seriously.
I honestly don't care which suits you like or if Mr Beech thinks the suits in the Bond universe are meant to be Tom Ford. I don't pretend to know the minds of other people, fans or producers. Like you, just stating an opinion. That and a little good natured ribbing. I'll know to refrain in the future.
You did seem to state things fairly conclusively in the Dalton thread though.
And regarding the entire Dalton thing: You may see from the "least liked Bond actor" thread, that some high-profile members here share my opinion.
Since this was edited while I was typing the last response. Doesn't really matter to me if you or any other "high profile members" like Dalton either. Like you said, just opinions. I'm not looking for anyone's approval.
Nah, it is Tom Ford and it just looks like a well cut suit, nothing more unless you're sitting around counting button holes. I've got a suit with the same details from twelve years ago, two button tipover, ticket pocket, pick stitching, everything. Lapels change every year. Nothing about it is that uncommon and nothing about it just screams Ford. It's not a part of the story.
In Die Another Day, do you think the suit he had made by his HK tailor(can't remember where he was exactly, and don't want to watch it again) was actually a Brioni, or did he really have a HK tailor make it? Of course it was Brioni, but not in the story. In Casino Royale, when Vesper gives him the dinner jacket, it's supposed to be a custom but we all know it's Brioni, right. It's not Brioni in the story though. If it never explicitly says, then it isn't known within the story.
That is what I was saying though, we can count buttons and confirm that just as production told us, it is a Tom Ford, I wasn't saying it is so amazing and standout that it is clearly a Tom Ford.
And you can see the Brioni logo briefly on the tuxedo bag in CR. It is supposed to be a Brioni suit.
I think the Brioni suits looked better and I think his build filled them well.
I'll probably be banned from this forum for life now, but... the only thing I would certainly like NOT to return is Mr Daniel Craig. I quite like him as an actor, but when I watch him in Bond movies I always only see an actor playing the part of Bond - I do not see Bond like I did with all the previous actors.
I'll probably be banned from this forum for life now, but... the only thing I would certainly like NOT to return is Mr Daniel Craig. I quite like him as an actor, but when I watch him in Bond movies I always only see an actor playing the part of Bond - I do not see Bond like I did with all the previous actors.
I'll probably be banned from this forum for life now, but... the only thing I would certainly like NOT to return is Mr Daniel Craig. I quite like him as an actor, but when I watch him in Bond movies I always only see an actor playing the part of Bond - I do not see Bond like I did with all the previous actors.
BAN-HAMMER Strike! X-(
Now we agree. {[]
Disclaimer: I don't really think Jag or anyone else I disagree with about any subject should be banned. We all have a right to our opinions. Mmkay?
Nah, it is Tom Ford and it just looks like a well cut suit, nothing more unless you're sitting around counting button holes. I've got a suit with the same details from twelve years ago, two button tipover, ticket pocket, pick stitching, everything. Lapels change every year. Nothing about it is that uncommon and nothing about it just screams Ford. It's not a part of the story.
In Die Another Day, do you think the suit he had made by his HK tailor(can't remember where he was exactly, and don't want to watch it again) was actually a Brioni, or did he really have a HK tailor make it? Of course it was Brioni, but not in the story. In Casino Royale, when Vesper gives him the dinner jacket, it's supposed to be a custom but we all know it's Brioni, right. It's not Brioni in the story though. If it never explicitly says, then it isn't known within the story.
That is what I was saying though, we can count buttons and confirm that just as production told us, it is a Tom Ford, I wasn't saying it is so amazing and standout that it is clearly a Tom Ford.
And you can see the Brioni logo briefly on the tuxedo bag in CR. It is supposed to be a Brioni suit.
I think the Brioni suits looked better and I think his build filled them well.
But all the Vesper stuff is totally absurd anyway.
Consider, she has met him twice before the "'ere's an evening suit that's better than yours 'cos yours would be crap" and on BOTH occasions Craig Bond has worn a Brioni suit!!! (and T & A shirt, and Lobb shoes).
So not only is it ludicrous for Vesper to think she is upgrading Bond's standard of evening clothes, its also absurd to imagine Bond's OWN evening suit would be anything other than Brioni, or similar. Does she expect him to have brought a polyester evening suit, when all his other clothing would suggest he already knew top quality??? Insane. And, of course, the "Brioni" Vesper gives him lasts one wear; it's carved up by Obanno and Craig-Bond's then back in - presumably - his OWN evening suit - which looks damn stylish, and v. , expensive! Erm, maybe that's because it was made by Brioni, Vesper, love?
Hey, maybe Vesper' just a nouveau inverted snob who pretends to know something but knows nothing about anything.
But all the Vesper stuff is totally absurd anyway.
Consider, she has met him twice before the "'ere's an evening suit that's better than yours 'cos yours would be crap" and on BOTH occasions Craig Bond has worn a Brioni suit!!! (and T & A shirt, and Lobb shoes).
So not only is it ludicrous for Vesper to think she is upgrading Bond's standard of evening clothes, its also absurd to imagine Bond's OWN evening suit would be anything other than Brioni, or similar. Does she expect him to have brought a polyester evening suit, when all his other clothing would suggest he already knew top quality??? Insane. And, of course, the "Brioni" Vesper gives him lasts one wear; it's carved up by Obanno and Craig-Bond's then back in - presumably - his OWN evening suit - which looks damn stylish, and v. , expensive! Erm, maybe that's because it was made by Brioni, Vesper, love?
Hey, maybe Vesper' just a nouveau inverted snob who pretends to know something but knows nothing about anything.
Every bit of that goes to the point that the clothes aren't any particular brand. We all know that she's upgrading him from Brioni to Brioni, but within the story, that's obviously not the case. Same with Ford. We know, but that doesn't make it so within the story.
Always made me laugh that Le Chiffre noticed Bond had changed his shirt, but didn't notice he'd changed to a thrift store jacket.
Could be we're all nouveau inverted snobs who pretend to know more about this than we do. (Now, how do I make that monkey smilie work?)
But all the Vesper stuff is totally absurd anyway.
Consider, she has met him twice before the "'ere's an evening suit that's better than yours 'cos yours would be crap" and on BOTH occasions Craig Bond has worn a Brioni suit!!! (and T & A shirt, and Lobb shoes).
So not only is it ludicrous for Vesper to think she is upgrading Bond's standard of evening clothes, its also absurd to imagine Bond's OWN evening suit would be anything other than Brioni, or similar. Does she expect him to have brought a polyester evening suit, when all his other clothing would suggest he already knew top quality??? Insane. And, of course, the "Brioni" Vesper gives him lasts one wear; it's carved up by Obanno and Craig-Bond's then back in - presumably - his OWN evening suit - which looks damn stylish, and v. , expensive! Erm, maybe that's because it was made by Brioni, Vesper, love?
Hey, maybe Vesper' just a nouveau inverted snob who pretends to know something but knows nothing about anything.
Every bit of that goes to the point that the clothes aren't any particular brand. We all know that she's upgrading him from Brioni to Brioni, but within the story, that's obviously not the case. Same with Ford. We know, but that doesn't make it so within the story.
Always made me laugh that Le Chiffre noticed Bond had changed his shirt, but didn't notice he'd changed to a thrift store jacket.
Could be we're all nouveau inverted snobs who pretend to know more about this than we do. (Now, how do I make that monkey smilie work?)
Unless there's an obvious logo, I don't really care who makes the suits and clothes... I really like the fact that Craig's bond is more realistic in his mix of casual clothes vs. suits / formalwear. So, I would like to see more cardigans, polos, jeans, etc. Don't really care if Tom Ford makes them, of if they are from another designer, as long as they reflect realistic casual styles.
Not like to see return... Over the top characters like Jaws, unbelievable gadgets and the over done comedy. Like to see... the dark side like the Dent execution and the PTS of Casino Royale. I also liked the SpecOps kind of stuff like the PTS Goldeneye mission, excluding the plane stunt. After all, what's the good of having a license to kill if you don't use it.
tbh, I find the entire TF thing soooo over the top.
Apart from the question, if a taxpayer-funded agent will be able to afford > US$ 6000 suits and an Aston DBS, I don't like the fashion.
Look at the Plane-bar scene. DC looks so over-styled to what we see from Connery (and that was very expensive stuff as well! )
So, I'd like to see some items which are a bit more affordable and stylish than we have seen on Quantum.
And maybe Pete can contribute some buttplugs from his collection for a screen appearance? :v
I disagree. James Bond doesn't look like a rich dandy like the evil characters in the movie do. You wouldn't know his suits cost 8000$. His ties are understated, powerful but clean. Sure, he has nice cars, but he's not a policeman, he has to car chase and has to play at the level of the men he chases.
If you can't trust a Swiss banker, what's the world come to?
Nah, it is Tom Ford and it just looks like a well cut suit, nothing more unless you're sitting around counting button holes. I've got a suit with the same details from twelve years ago, two button tipover, ticket pocket, pick stitching, everything. Lapels change every year. Nothing about it is that uncommon and nothing about it just screams Ford. It's not a part of the story.
In Die Another Day, do you think the suit he had made by his HK tailor(can't remember where he was exactly, and don't want to watch it again) was actually a Brioni, or did he really have a HK tailor make it? Of course it was Brioni, but not in the story. In Casino Royale, when Vesper gives him the dinner jacket, it's supposed to be a custom but we all know it's Brioni, right. It's not Brioni in the story though. If it never explicitly says, then it isn't known within the story.
That is what I was saying though, we can count buttons and confirm that just as production told us, it is a Tom Ford, I wasn't saying it is so amazing and standout that it is clearly a Tom Ford.
And you can see the Brioni logo briefly on the tuxedo bag in CR. It is supposed to be a Brioni suit.
I think the Brioni suits looked better and I think his build filled them well.
But all the Vesper stuff is totally absurd anyway.
Consider, she has met him twice before the "'ere's an evening suit that's better than yours 'cos yours would be crap" and on BOTH occasions Craig Bond has worn a Brioni suit!!! (and T & A shirt, and Lobb shoes).
So not only is it ludicrous for Vesper to think she is upgrading Bond's standard of evening clothes, its also absurd to imagine Bond's OWN evening suit would be anything other than Brioni, or similar. Does she expect him to have brought a polyester evening suit, when all his other clothing would suggest he already knew top quality??? Insane. And, of course, the "Brioni" Vesper gives him lasts one wear; it's carved up by Obanno and Craig-Bond's then back in - presumably - his OWN evening suit - which looks damn stylish, and v. , expensive! Erm, maybe that's because it was made by Brioni, Vesper, love?
Hey, maybe Vesper' just a nouveau inverted snob who pretends to know something but knows nothing about anything.
That's just because they wanted Vesper to look clever to the viewer, so that Bond could fall in love with her.
If you can't trust a Swiss banker, what's the world come to?
These brands are Bond's even before he may mention it.
They aren't trying to sell us on "Craig only wears Tom Ford," because we aren't trying to watch a documentary on Craig. They want us to see James Bond with these brands. That is why Omega lists Craig and Bond as two separate ambassadors on their site. The producers know that we will look up what clothes James Bond wore in the movie and it will be totally different than looking up what brands Craig normally wears (well, somewhat different).
If they pick and announce a clothing brand that will be worn in the movie, it is saying that the character will be seen in this which tells us that in the film's version of the fiction, those brands are Bond's brands because we have been informed of what they are.
Had we never known the brands it would be different and I could assume that we are to assume he has any old brands on (that is the approach of the Harry Potter films so fans don't have that distraction of brands that may be mistaken as choices of the characters, they just use clothes that are house made or have no logos so we don't have the issue of recognizing the character with a brand. Gap clothes were used in several Potter scenes, but without logos, most fans simply see them in their alternate magical world without our accessible brands), but we are told the brands and are to see them as Bond's.
Rolex and Omega are brands that even people who don't care about watches know. Like all the Sony wares, that was a straight up advertisement. Not even a close comparison. The average viewer has no idea who Tom Ford is, and couldn't afford his products even if they did.
They aren't trying to sell us that Bond only wears Tom Ford, the everything argument breaks down with Church's, Levi's, Y-3, Prada, 7FAM.
Totally disagree with the point that Bond wears Ford just because they announced that Craig did. They would have mentioned it in the movie if that was the intent. Would have been very simple to add in the logo at some point.
Only saw the first half of the first Harry Potter movie, but I get your point. Doesn't carry over though. Bond's clothes aren't covered with logos that distract the viewer. By that line of reasoning though, why would it be any less distracting for Bond to wear a named Savile Row designer over Ford?
Bond the character should wear impeccable suits. The designer doesn't matter at all.
I disagree. Omega definitely wants their name associated with James Bond. They have everything to prove when it comes about them VS Rolex (Rolex is way better in general because everything is made in-house and Omega uses generic movements from Swatch Group).
Tom Ford wants his name out there, but he's not going to make a special tuxedo for James Bond because that's tacky and people who buys his clothes don't want that.
Prada and Levi's Sta-Press, obviously are so hidden that you could only argue that it's subliminal.
If you can't trust a Swiss banker, what's the world come to?
I disagree. Omega definitely wants their name associated with James Bond. They have everything to prove when it comes about them VS Rolex (Rolex is way better in general because everything is made in-house and Omega uses generic movements from Swatch Group).
Tout, it may surprise you, but Omega is the mothership in the Swatch group!
So technically and nobody, who knows a bit about the branch will deny, that Omega movement are in-house movements - even to a higher degree that Rolex for many years. They even produce hairsprings (Rolex did not until some years ago), anti-shock parts (KIF) and even synthetic rubies.
As a personal comment, I prefer Rolex over Omega any day.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I disagree. Omega definitely wants their name associated with James Bond. They have everything to prove when it comes about them VS Rolex (Rolex is way better in general because everything is made in-house and Omega uses generic movements from Swatch Group).
Tout, it may surprise you, but Omega is the mothership in the Swatch group!
So technically and nobody, who knows a bit about the branch will deny, that Omega movement are in-house movements - even to a higher degree that Rolex for many years. They even produce hairsprings (Rolex did not until some years ago), anti-shock parts (KIF) and even synthetic rubies.
As a personal comment, I prefer Rolex over Omega any day.
When it comes to watches, never mess with the bondtoys
Bond is British and always had a Saville Row tailor - that's why I don't want to see him in a TF suit.
I appreciate not everyone will agree with (that's fine) but that's my opinion
NMS
I agree entirely Bond is British and it was a Conduit cut suit he wore tailored to fit with room to move in a fight situation, and room to carry a gun unnoticed. It was top quality but didnt stand out from the crowd or draw attention to him, unlike the Bironi suits tailored a much tighter fit to the body.
His watch doesnt matter as long as it is functional and tough, I personally like the Omega seamaster over the Rolex Submariner as after owning both myself I believe of the 2 it is a little more durable and it has a valve for Nitrogen release after deep diving and using an oxygen tank and being in a decompression chamber.
This makes it better for the money and as well as easier to purchase, the fact Rolex only release so many submariners each year onto the market to keep the price falsely high with official Vendors(similar to diamonds).
This is not Bond, he wants a reliable tool that is tough and can be used in the field, he doesnt want to be on a waiting list at the dealers shop to actually get one, lol.
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I honestly don't care which suits you like or if Mr Beech thinks the suits in the Bond universe are meant to be Tom Ford. I don't pretend to know the minds of other people, fans or producers. Like you, just stating an opinion. That and a little good natured ribbing. I'll know to refrain in the future.
You did seem to state things fairly conclusively in the Dalton thread though.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Since this was edited while I was typing the last response. Doesn't really matter to me if you or any other "high profile members" like Dalton either. Like you said, just opinions. I'm not looking for anyone's approval.
He nor I like TF suits and we are entitled to an opinion 8-)
NMS
I don't like Dalton
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
That is what I was saying though, we can count buttons and confirm that just as production told us, it is a Tom Ford, I wasn't saying it is so amazing and standout that it is clearly a Tom Ford.
And you can see the Brioni logo briefly on the tuxedo bag in CR. It is supposed to be a Brioni suit.
I think the Brioni suits looked better and I think his build filled them well.
BAN-HAMMER Strike! X-(
Now we agree. {[]
Disclaimer: I don't really think Jag or anyone else I disagree with about any subject should be banned. We all have a right to our opinions. Mmkay?
But all the Vesper stuff is totally absurd anyway.
Consider, she has met him twice before the "'ere's an evening suit that's better than yours 'cos yours would be crap" and on BOTH occasions Craig Bond has worn a Brioni suit!!! (and T & A shirt, and Lobb shoes).
So not only is it ludicrous for Vesper to think she is upgrading Bond's standard of evening clothes, its also absurd to imagine Bond's OWN evening suit would be anything other than Brioni, or similar. Does she expect him to have brought a polyester evening suit, when all his other clothing would suggest he already knew top quality??? Insane. And, of course, the "Brioni" Vesper gives him lasts one wear; it's carved up by Obanno and Craig-Bond's then back in - presumably - his OWN evening suit - which looks damn stylish, and v. , expensive! Erm, maybe that's because it was made by Brioni, Vesper, love?
Hey, maybe Vesper' just a nouveau inverted snob who pretends to know something but knows nothing about anything.
Every bit of that goes to the point that the clothes aren't any particular brand. We all know that she's upgrading him from Brioni to Brioni, but within the story, that's obviously not the case. Same with Ford. We know, but that doesn't make it so within the story.
Always made me laugh that Le Chiffre noticed Bond had changed his shirt, but didn't notice he'd changed to a thrift store jacket.
Could be we're all nouveau inverted snobs who pretend to know more about this than we do. (Now, how do I make that monkey smilie work?)
Quite agree.
see Return. Bond Golfing, Aston, and being the male chauvinist that he always was
Reflections in a double bourbon...
Like to see return - Bond, James Bond
I disagree. James Bond doesn't look like a rich dandy like the evil characters in the movie do. You wouldn't know his suits cost 8000$. His ties are understated, powerful but clean. Sure, he has nice cars, but he's not a policeman, he has to car chase and has to play at the level of the men he chases.
That's just because they wanted Vesper to look clever to the viewer, so that Bond could fall in love with her.
I disagree. Omega definitely wants their name associated with James Bond. They have everything to prove when it comes about them VS Rolex (Rolex is way better in general because everything is made in-house and Omega uses generic movements from Swatch Group).
Tom Ford wants his name out there, but he's not going to make a special tuxedo for James Bond because that's tacky and people who buys his clothes don't want that.
Prada and Levi's Sta-Press, obviously are so hidden that you could only argue that it's subliminal.
Tout, it may surprise you, but Omega is the mothership in the Swatch group!
So technically and nobody, who knows a bit about the branch will deny, that Omega movement are in-house movements - even to a higher degree that Rolex for many years. They even produce hairsprings (Rolex did not until some years ago), anti-shock parts (KIF) and even synthetic rubies.
As a personal comment, I prefer Rolex over Omega any day.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
When it comes to watches, never mess with the bondtoys
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I agree entirely Bond is British and it was a Conduit cut suit he wore tailored to fit with room to move in a fight situation, and room to carry a gun unnoticed. It was top quality but didnt stand out from the crowd or draw attention to him, unlike the Bironi suits tailored a much tighter fit to the body.
His watch doesnt matter as long as it is functional and tough, I personally like the Omega seamaster over the Rolex Submariner as after owning both myself I believe of the 2 it is a little more durable and it has a valve for Nitrogen release after deep diving and using an oxygen tank and being in a decompression chamber.
This makes it better for the money and as well as easier to purchase, the fact Rolex only release so many submariners each year onto the market to keep the price falsely high with official Vendors(similar to diamonds).
This is not Bond, he wants a reliable tool that is tough and can be used in the field, he doesnt want to be on a waiting list at the dealers shop to actually get one, lol.