I'm sorry but it looks freakish to me. I've actually seen people dressed this way on the mean streets. It makes me laugh. Could you imagine going to a business meeting dressed that way?
DG
Totally agree, utterly awful.
Makes Craig's SKYFALL look seem tradionally elegant by comparison.
I have no evidence that Ford personally works with EON, but I think it's an accepted fact that DC is a huge fan of his work and is therefore likely to be heavily influenced by Ford himself. Indeed, I'd venture that Craig has as much, if not more, influence over his wardrobe than the costume designer; it was he who brought in Ford for QOS, had Brioni dumped as a consequence (which, in my opinion, was the correct decision - the Ford fit of OQS being far better than the Brioni on Craig, the press launch suit and the Montenegro arrival suits being particularly disasterous).
I certainly wasn't aware that if a suit had a model name if couldn't then be reproduced as bespoke for a perfect fit; this seems rather absurd to me - though I'll bow to your superior knowledge.
And with regard to the Mantis' info, I hadn't seen it, though, again, I'm a little dubious; it's quite clear that the SKYFALL style Falconner is at least shorter than the QOS Regency and therefore I'd have thought there were other differences too.
Frankly, I can't imagine Craig wouldn't have had the same tailoring interaction with Fords for his suits as , as has been photographically documented, Connery had with Sinclair, Brosnan had with Brioni, and the others doubtless had with their tailors.
A model name means there's already a pattern. When modifying a pattern to fit someone that's made-to-measure, not bespoke. Connery's relationship with Sinclair and Brosnan's relationship with Checcino Fonticoli at Brioni would be different that someone working with Tom Ford. Those men are tailors, whilst Ford is a designer and not a tailor. He's not the one in his company responsible for fitting his individual customers and I doubt he measures people. When someone got an Anthony Sinclair suit, he was always involved because there's no other way to do it.
But at the very least, SOMEONE decided on Craig's tailored look for SKYFALL and knew the impact they were aiming for and would achieve, and that at the very least Craig and EON were delighted with that.
Personally, I'd have been happier with the return of the QOS cut, and I doubt history will be kind to this look, as others have said.
I can't argue with you there.
I was wrong about the source of the information on the model measurements. My apologies to Mantis and Bring Back Lazenby, who actually provided the information I cited before. You can see his findings here:
They should have just bought the suits, shirts & ties from Reiss. Would have been far less costly and that way the clothing budget could have been spent on other areas of the production.
They should have just bought the suits, shirts & ties from Reiss. Would have been far less costly and that way the clothing budget could have been spent on other areas of the production.
LOL. Made-to-measure from a more reasonably priced brand would make far more sense than Tom Ford, but I don't think the budget is lacking anywhere. If anything they have too much money to spend and end up relying on effects more than story.
They should have just bought the suits, shirts & ties from Reiss. Would have been far less costly and that way the clothing budget could have been spent on other areas of the production.
TF probably provided all the clothing for free. Just like Aston Martin would provide cars.
Because let's face it, if they wanted the very best cars for James Bond, he'd have a Ferrari 458. Ask anyone. Ask Top Gear.
If you can't trust a Swiss banker, what's the world come to?
The tab collars aren't fashion forward at all. They are very classic, if you're an American. They never saw much popularity in England, and they're much too fussy for Fleming.
That's interesting, in my younger days, I wore the tab collar quite a bit. Likewise, I also wore shirts with a collar pin. Never knew the English did not favor them. I still have a couple of tattered examples of the tab collar that I had custom made in Singapore during one of my voyages. Don't wear them much anymore.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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The tab collars aren't fashion forward at all. They are very classic, if you're an American. They never saw much popularity in England, and they're much too fussy for Fleming.
That's interesting, in my younger days, I wore the tab collar quite a bit. Likewise, I also wore shirts with a collar pin. Never knew the English did not favor them. I still have a couple of tattered examples of the tab collar that I had custom made in Singapore during one of my voyages. Don't wear them much anymore.
DG
As an Englishman of nearer 50 than 40, I'd never seen those **** tab collars before Richard Gere wore 'em in PRETTY WOMAN. My girlfriend of that time was a HUGE fan of that film
So in 1991 I got a tab collar shirt. In Bloomingdales in NYC. Not worn that shirt for a few years. Got some funny looks in the UK in the time, without knowing it, I suspect....
Not been with that lass for many, many years. Happily married now for a for years now.
OK, time (for me anyway) to get on about the business of identifying that shoulder rig. Anyone have any ideas? I'm hoping it's not a custom job. I thought at first glance it might be a Galco, but alas it is not.
The tab collars aren't fashion forward at all. They are very classic, if you're an American. They never saw much popularity in England, and they're much too fussy for Fleming.
That's interesting, in my younger days, I wore the tab collar quite a bit. Likewise, I also wore shirts with a collar pin. Never knew the English did not favor them. I still have a couple of tattered examples of the tab collar that I had custom made in Singapore during one of my voyages. Don't wear them much anymore.
DG
As an Englishman of nearer 50 than 40, I'd never seen those **** tab collars before Richard Gere wore 'em in PRETTY WOMAN. My girlfriend of that time was a HUGE fan of that film
So in 1991 I got a tab collar shirt. In Bloomingdales in NYC. Not worn that shirt for a few years. Got some funny looks in the UK in the time, without knowing it, I suspect....
Not been with that lass for many, many years. Happily married now for a for years now.
Tab collars were popular in the 1980s, along with pinned collars. My father favours tab collars. I recall seeing them in some 1960s films, not sure about earlier.
I just gotta say: I just finished rereading Moonraker, sitting here in the nightles night of Finland in my balcony and enjoying sun ( it's 2200 hrs local time) drinking Talisker 10 and smoking a perfect Romeo y Julieta, I have strong urge to say live and let live, but 007 in those Skyfall suits is pretty *****ng far from being a "silhoutte"... Sorry folks.
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
No need to apologize, everyone has their opinions. An interesting point though: Aldrich Ames, the infamous CIA mole from the early 90s was actually betrayed in part by wearing expensive tailored suits, in contrast to the off the rack stuff he had previously worn. (The extra houses and Jaguar paid for in cash didn't help either.) He had tried to explain it away by saying his former mistress, then wife had a rich family. She didn't though...doh!
Bond's situation is different however: he *did* come from a wealthy-ish family, and in the books his suits are custom tailored. The scene in 'Choice of Weapons' from Dr. No in which Bond likens the armorer's sneering attitude towards his worn holster to that of his first 'expensive tailor' comes to mind. So he's a silhouette, but he's a sleek one with a nice fall and drape. There are situations where he would be expected to look that way.
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Could the shoulder holster for the Walther PPK possibly be another Vega Holster? When I was looking to add an IWB 339 to my collection I discovered that Vega makes shoulder holsters too.
I'm interested to see how much Craig uses the shoulder holster in the film. He's not going to actually be able to hide a gun inside that suit, another argument for it being too tight. But the Bond films were never practical, were they. Anthony Sinclair's cut with chest drape worked great for a shoulder holster, as did Brosnan's full-cut Brioni suits. Skin tight suits, not so much.
Matt,I've had much the same thought. In the above photo,and some of the Turkish scenes, you can tell DC is wearing a shoulder holster as it prints so badly. Perhaps because Bond has to exit the Land Rover right into gunfight, the crew decided on the shoulder rig, which is easier to draw from in a vehicle. Of course, the poor fit of the shoulder holster won't be all that noticable
while in motion...
As to the holster brand, i have no idea. It is obviously made to fit more than one gun make(Walther PPK,Walther PP,Sig P230,etc)
and the thumbsnap is a bit old style...
Bond's situation is different however: he *did* come from a wealthy-ish family, and in the books his suits are custom tailored. The scene in 'Choice of Weapons' from Dr. No in which Bond likens the armorer's sneering attitude towards his worn holster to that of his first 'expensive tailor' comes to mind. So he's a silhouette, but he's a sleek one with a nice fall and drape. There are situations where he would be expected to look that way.
You have a point, though you have to remember that in the fifties and sixties it was still commonplace for the professional classes (lawyers, doctors, bankers and business men in general) to wear bespoke and tailor made suits. Therefore DC in TF suits that, although expensive, are of very contemporary cut and fit (I try to avoid the word fashionable) to the extreme, stands out in a way that JB in IF novels does not. In Moonraker James Bond looks in the mirror and thinks, that his looks, although not very British, make him disappear in the populace at the abroad. In effect, he does not consider his looks to be British, but vague in a general sort of way = a silhouette of a man.
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
Some good spotting going on but still no one has had a go at identifying the wax-type coat Bond is wearing in the lodge. Also, we have now been treated to the trailer with a few more nice shots of clothing in particular Bond's workout gear.
Anyone else hoping that Indy M makes the tracksuit being worn by Bond in the interogation sequence?
Can't tell what wax jacket that is Ian, probably very expensive. Barbour do a similar jacket (that isn't wax) called the Stock jacket. A better wax jacket in reality would be a Belstaff Trailmaster type or a Barbour International or even an old original of both.
The tracksuit top is clearly a British Forces PTI jacket. All tri service PTI's have these with their various regimental badges on the breast (something nobody would be seen dead in outside of an Army gym lol) You can pick them up fairly cheap brand new off Ebay. Hope this helps.
Do you know guys if some of the ties used in the movie are already available in Tom Ford stores ??
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Mantis might know about that. Check with him via PM. As for the shoulder holster, I compared it to the shoulder holsters Vega offers and it does not seem to match any of them. So either this holster is made by some one other than Vega or Galco or this could possibly be a custom made holster by the wardrobe department.
Do you know guys if some of the ties used in the movie are already available in Tom Ford stores ??
From my understanding, the TF items featured in "Skyfall" (including the ties) will be released in the Fall 2012/Winter 2013 collection. After speaking with reps at TF, that should be mid to late September.
Visited Tom Ford this weekend and had the pleasure of trying on some of the SkyFall suits, shirts, ties, and sunglasses....lots of goodies coming from them at the end of August it seems. The tab color shirt took a little getting used to.
Visited Tom Ford this weekend and had the pleasure of trying on some of the SkyFall suits, shirts, ties, and sunglasses....lots of goodies coming from them at the end of August it seems. The tab color shirt took a little getting used to.
Is that a 2-button or 3-button jacket? I know the striped suit and the pick-and-pick suits in the film have 3 buttons, but we haven't seen as much of the Glen plaid suit. That suit looks like it fits you much better (and looks more elegant) than the one's they've fitted to Craig. I love the lower button stance, and it works well with the low-rise trousers. If the trousers are going to have a low rise, the fashionable high button stance seen everywhere else makes no sense.
When I was a teenager I used to borrow some of my dad's tab-collar shirts so they don't seem too unusual to me. But I think they look too affected, especially for Bond. I think of it as like a button-down collar to wear with a tie, whilst a button-down collar is best worn open without a tie.
Visited Tom Ford this weekend and had the pleasure of trying on some of the SkyFall suits, shirts, ties, and sunglasses....lots of goodies coming from them at the end of August it seems. The tab color shirt took a little getting used to.
You must be a really good customer for TF's to allow you to pop in and try on all that stuff, David
Can't imagine Turnbull and Asser being so accommodating.
TF is all about the customer service and the in-store experience. From the champagne, to the packaging, to the 2-3 specialist attending each customer/client---they know how to create a moment.
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By a negligible margin.
A model name means there's already a pattern. When modifying a pattern to fit someone that's made-to-measure, not bespoke. Connery's relationship with Sinclair and Brosnan's relationship with Checcino Fonticoli at Brioni would be different that someone working with Tom Ford. Those men are tailors, whilst Ford is a designer and not a tailor. He's not the one in his company responsible for fitting his individual customers and I doubt he measures people. When someone got an Anthony Sinclair suit, he was always involved because there's no other way to do it.
I can't argue with you there.
I was wrong about the source of the information on the model measurements. My apologies to Mantis and Bring Back Lazenby, who actually provided the information I cited before. You can see his findings here:
http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/37445/skyfall-clothing-accessories-etc/page/20/
LOL. Made-to-measure from a more reasonably priced brand would make far more sense than Tom Ford, but I don't think the budget is lacking anywhere. If anything they have too much money to spend and end up relying on effects more than story.
TF probably provided all the clothing for free. Just like Aston Martin would provide cars.
Because let's face it, if they wanted the very best cars for James Bond, he'd have a Ferrari 458. Ask anyone. Ask Top Gear.
That's interesting, in my younger days, I wore the tab collar quite a bit. Likewise, I also wore shirts with a collar pin. Never knew the English did not favor them. I still have a couple of tattered examples of the tab collar that I had custom made in Singapore during one of my voyages. Don't wear them much anymore.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
As an Englishman of nearer 50 than 40, I'd never seen those **** tab collars before Richard Gere wore 'em in PRETTY WOMAN. My girlfriend of that time was a HUGE fan of that film
So in 1991 I got a tab collar shirt. In Bloomingdales in NYC. Not worn that shirt for a few years. Got some funny looks in the UK in the time, without knowing it, I suspect....
Not been with that lass for many, many years. Happily married now for a for years now.
OK, time (for me anyway) to get on about the business of identifying that shoulder rig. Anyone have any ideas? I'm hoping it's not a custom job. I thought at first glance it might be a Galco, but alas it is not.
Tab collars were popular in the 1980s, along with pinned collars. My father favours tab collars. I recall seeing them in some 1960s films, not sure about earlier.
-Mr Arlington Beech
Bond's situation is different however: he *did* come from a wealthy-ish family, and in the books his suits are custom tailored. The scene in 'Choice of Weapons' from Dr. No in which Bond likens the armorer's sneering attitude towards his worn holster to that of his first 'expensive tailor' comes to mind. So he's a silhouette, but he's a sleek one with a nice fall and drape. There are situations where he would be expected to look that way.
while in motion...
As to the holster brand, i have no idea. It is obviously made to fit more than one gun make(Walther PPK,Walther PP,Sig P230,etc)
and the thumbsnap is a bit old style...
Regards,
Tecolote
Sony Expiron keeps getting mentioned.
You have a point, though you have to remember that in the fifties and sixties it was still commonplace for the professional classes (lawyers, doctors, bankers and business men in general) to wear bespoke and tailor made suits. Therefore DC in TF suits that, although expensive, are of very contemporary cut and fit (I try to avoid the word fashionable) to the extreme, stands out in a way that JB in IF novels does not. In Moonraker James Bond looks in the mirror and thinks, that his looks, although not very British, make him disappear in the populace at the abroad. In effect, he does not consider his looks to be British, but vague in a general sort of way = a silhouette of a man.
-Mr Arlington Beech
Can't tell what wax jacket that is Ian, probably very expensive. Barbour do a similar jacket (that isn't wax) called the Stock jacket. A better wax jacket in reality would be a Belstaff Trailmaster type or a Barbour International or even an old original of both.
The tracksuit top is clearly a British Forces PTI jacket. All tri service PTI's have these with their various regimental badges on the breast (something nobody would be seen dead in outside of an Army gym lol) You can pick them up fairly cheap brand new off Ebay. Hope this helps.
From my understanding, the TF items featured in "Skyfall" (including the ties) will be released in the Fall 2012/Winter 2013 collection. After speaking with reps at TF, that should be mid to late September.
Kind regards,
Craig
http://www.marksandspencer.com/Savile-Row-Inspired-Striped-Button/dp/B002F7RRJI?ie=UTF8&ref=sr_1_2&nodeId=1661556031&sr=1-2&qid=1340568178&pf_rd_r=0VTWFRR4K07ZZSEKP71S&pf_rd_m=A2BO0OYVBKIQJM&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=1661556031&pf_rd_p=215570647&pf_rd_s=related-items-3
How many Skyfall ties did you see??
Is that a 2-button or 3-button jacket? I know the striped suit and the pick-and-pick suits in the film have 3 buttons, but we haven't seen as much of the Glen plaid suit. That suit looks like it fits you much better (and looks more elegant) than the one's they've fitted to Craig. I love the lower button stance, and it works well with the low-rise trousers. If the trousers are going to have a low rise, the fashionable high button stance seen everywhere else makes no sense.
When I was a teenager I used to borrow some of my dad's tab-collar shirts so they don't seem too unusual to me. But I think they look too affected, especially for Bond. I think of it as like a button-down collar to wear with a tie, whilst a button-down collar is best worn open without a tie.
You must be a really good customer for TF's to allow you to pop in and try on all that stuff, David
Can't imagine Turnbull and Asser being so accommodating.
Customer service, eh?
So the suit in the film has a 2-button front?
Very nice suit! What does it cost?