Pierce Brosnan or Daniel Craig?

JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
Between Pierce and Daniel which Bond actor is the lesser of two evils for you? I know both sides have their share of lovers and haters but if you're somewhere in-between which one is easier for you to tolerate? Which one annoys you less? Do you find yourself not loving GoldenEye and Casino Royale but not hating them either?
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  • Chris MumfordChris Mumford Posts: 1MI6 Agent
    Between Pierce and Daniel which Bond actor is the lesser of two evils for you? I know both sides have their share of lovers and haters but if you're somewhere in-between which one is easier for you to tolerate? Which one annoys you less? Do you find yourself not loving GoldenEye and Casino Royale but not hating them either?
    I would have to go for Pierce Brosnan as he fits the Image of James Bond (ie more like Sean Connery !) I just wish the new films could go for the gadgets and gizmo,s of the early films.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Daniel Craig for me. I thought Pierce was a fine Bond, but the scripts let him down for the most part. I thought there were moments in all of Brosnan's Bond films, but especially The World Is Not Enough, in which Pierce showed notable flashes of a more interesting, more realistic Bond that I found refreshing, but those flashes were undermined by too much posing and silliness (a la Roger Moore). But again, I think most of the blame falls on the writers, directors and producers who failed to find a consistent tone for Brosnan's movies. Craig, on the other hand, plays the somewhat uncertain, but tough-as-nails Bond to the hilt and I enjoy his take on 007. He was helped tremendously by having a good script and a solid Bond director his first time out, and Quantum of Solace was a bit of a letdown, but in my opinion Craig's portrayal held up. I am curious to see how he takes the character to the next level in Skyfall. And to me, that doesn't mean loading the movie with gadgets and quips. Rather, I'd like to see Bond a bit more comfortable in his role and more confident, with a few moments showing that he can lighten up every once in a while.
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  • Mr BeechMr Beech Florida, USAPosts: 1,749MI6 Agent
    Daniel Craig. I like them both a lot though. Brosnan is just behind Connery and Craig for me.
  • Kissy SuzukiKissy Suzuki IrelandPosts: 66MI6 Agent
    I think Brosnan always looked the part as Bond, (especially compared to Craig) but I reckon Craig is the better actor.

    I also find Craig's Bond a far more interesting character, though that may be due to the film scripts rather than his performances.

    On balance, I'd prefer Craig so far, though neither of them would be my favourite Bond.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Between the two I'd Go with Brosnan as closer to my idea of Bond.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,486MI6 Agent
    Both have/had great potential, lousy producers imo by will maximise profit.

    Ironically, in spite of all the talk Craig's films are more typically Bondian in their visual scope and colour. Yet very often the talk among non purists is 'Well, you want all the gimmicks and gadget cars and evil lairs...' it's a cliche that gets spouted and I don't agree really, don't want to see daft cars.

    But neither Craig or Brosnan get great one-liners. Overall, I think Brosnan had more potential, but unrealised.
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  • Barry NelsonBarry Nelson ChicagoPosts: 1,508MI6 Agent
    Brosnan
  • JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
    edited November 2011
    The one film that might have helped Pierce Brosnan was The Living Daylights because that "Salt corrosion," line had Pierce's name written all over it. In fact that line shrilly screamed "PIERCE BROSNAN!" because it's very likely that the writers thought Brosnan was gonna get the role until ABC stepped in and ruined the entire thing in one fell swoop.
    "Goodbye, my son. Our hopes and dreams travel with you." Jor-El ~ Man of Steel (2013)
  • GaddGeneGaddGaddGeneGadd Posts: 189MI6 Agent
    NBC screwed the Brozzer B-)
  • Martin AstonMartin Aston LondonPosts: 408MI6 Agent
    I think each Man was/is right for his time. Brosnan wouldnt cut it in the reboot, and in the same way Craig isn't debonair enough for the "new man" era of the 90's.
  • JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
    edited November 2011
    NBC screwed the Brozzer B-)

    I know they're entirely different networks but the names "NBC" and "ABC" sound like they are completely interchangeable, especially to a person like me, who hardly watches TV anymore and couldn't careless about either local television network.
    "Goodbye, my son. Our hopes and dreams travel with you." Jor-El ~ Man of Steel (2013)
  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    Between Pierce and Daniel which Bond actor is the lesser of two evils for you? I know both sides have their share of lovers and haters but if you're somewhere in-between which one is easier for you to tolerate? Which one annoys you less? Do you find yourself not loving GoldenEye and Casino Royale but not hating them either?

    I actually enjoyed both films, but when it comes to the interpretations of Bond as a character, I have to agree with others that a lot any negative criticisms should be directed at the writers and directors more than the actors. Pierce to me was a perfect choice for Goldeneye at that time and carried the dramatic parts off as well as he did the lighter touches. Always thought this is very difficult for an actor to do in these films, because it depends on whether the script is mostly dramatic with just a hint of wry humor, or if its over the top in plot with broader humor (as in the Moore scripts). My problem with him is that in the most dramatic and tense moments (as when he was being tortured in TWINE), I knew he would escape somehow, and I also saw he was acting. He's very good and his looks fit, but it undercuts the reality for me. Now with Craig, I realize he doesn't fit the standard matinee idol look, but given the fact his turn as the character is a total reboot and directed at being a more real, modern agent and that we are discovering how he ticks internally, Craig convinces me. When I watched his intense scenes in CR (especially the torture scene), I sat there and thought...is he really going to survive this? - even though I knew he would. It was almost painful to watch it for it's brutally realistic depiction, and another shock to actually see two skillful actors really given some solid scripted meat to chew on in a Bond film. So when it comes down to either of those films or the actors, again, I say they both did a solid job for the scripts they were given, but I have to give a nod to Craig for getting to make the character more real.
  • SilentSpySilentSpy Private Exotic AreaPosts: 765MI6 Agent
    Between Pierce and Daniel which Bond actor is the lesser of two evils for you? I know both sides have their share of lovers and haters but if you're somewhere in-between which one is easier for you to tolerate? Which one annoys you less? Do you find yourself not loving GoldenEye and Casino Royale but not hating them either?

    This is kind of a strange topic. I think Brosnan's best Bond is TWINE. I've watched it far more times than Casino Royale. Also, Brosnan played Bond more times than Craig who really might not be Bond yet. Still, I think I might like Casino a bit more than TWINE. I'm not really sure yet. Both have strong and weak points. Right now, both actors don't have a Bond film that is a classic. Which is really the problem to me. Connery has his first group of films. Moore, like him or not, has TSWLM and a bunch of really fun Bond films. They might not be classics but they are always enjoyable. Dalton has his two films which are great, solid Bond films. Of course there is OHMSS which is amazing. Brosnan never put his stamp on his films. Craig is charting new territory since he is a completely different Bond. Skyfall will either be great or maybe the Spider-Man 3 of Craig's Bond films. Then we'll need another reboot...
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  • JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
    SilentSpy wrote:
    Craig is charting new territory since he is a completely different Bond. Skyfall will either be great or maybe the Spider-Man 3 of Craig's Bond films. Then we'll need another reboot...

    I thought most of the people who saw Quantum of Solace had already considered that to be the Spider-Man 3 of Craig's Bond films....Or is it the Batman Returns of Daniel's Bond outings? I don't really know. Quantum of Solace certainly wasn't as violent, vulgar, and nonsensical as Batman Returns but it was definitely just as disappointing especially after the first movie (Batman 1989 & Casino Royale 2006) which had divided the fan-base. Which means some people could put up with Batman killing criminals and James Bond playing poker and some people could not.
    "Goodbye, my son. Our hopes and dreams travel with you." Jor-El ~ Man of Steel (2013)
  • SilentSpySilentSpy Private Exotic AreaPosts: 765MI6 Agent
    SilentSpy wrote:
    Craig is charting new territory since he is a completely different Bond. Skyfall will either be great or maybe the Spider-Man 3 of Craig's Bond films. Then we'll need another reboot...

    I thought most of the people who saw Quantum of Solace had already considered that to be the Spider-Man 3 of Craig's Bond films....Or is it the Batman Returns of Daniel's Bond outings? I don't really know. Quantum of Solace certainly wasn't as violent, vulgar, and nonsensical as Batman Returns but it was definitely just as disappointing especially after the first movie (Batman 1989 & Casino Royale 2006) which had divided the fan-base. Which means some people could put up with Batman killing criminals and James Bond playing poker and some people could not.

    Quantum of Solace still has its good moments unlike Spider-Man 3 which I have zero interest in watching again. Batman Returns is like Spider-Man 3 in that regard. I still love Quantum's opening car chase and the soundtrack is great. I can live with small changes. Bond playing poker was cool. Not as bad as I thought it was going to be. Batman killing criminals was fine. Especially if you recall watching the old TV show. The darker and serious Batman was amazing to see on the big screen. That final battle was the battle for the city.
    "Better late than never."
  • HalconHalcon Zen TemplePosts: 487MI6 Agent
    I never thought that Brosnan was tough enough, or tough looking enough. (then again...roger moore...)

    this was hindsight for me of course...the first Bond i was introduced to was Goldeneye, and back then as i watched in the theater i thought 'this is the most awsomest thing ever!!'

    and i thought Brosnan was the best Bond after Connery all along ...up to Craig. Craig's take is so different and 'real' that as one person here put it, you had to wonder if he was going to survive the torturing in CR. Only Connery was able to conjure up such a reaction, so for this Craig is better.
  • oscar rubiooscar rubio Madrid (Spain)Posts: 286MI6 Agent
    The films Brosnan as James Bond has more merit as they are not based on any novel written by Fleming.
    Neither the title nor the plot, and is more like the image of the character created by Brosnan Fleming, that of Craig, although I think ¨ ¨ Craid defender, and expected to play James Bond in more movies
  • pyratpyrat Posts: 260MI6 Agent
    I favor Brosnan. As mentioned above, he more looks the part than Craig. I'm also more fond of the darker Bond characterizations like those portrayed by Connery and Craig. My wish is that Brosnan had been able to have scripting like the Connery/Craig films rather than the Moore films.
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  • JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
    pyrat wrote:
    I favor Brosnan. As mentioned above, he more looks the part than Craig. I'm also more fond of the darker Bond characterizations like those portrayed by Connery and Craig. My wish is that Brosnan had been able to have scripting like the Connery/Craig films rather than the Moore films.

    Well, GoldenEye is like a holdover Dalton film without Dalton but maybe that was the problem....Or maybe they should have given Brosnan a darker script for GoldenEye. :007)
    "Goodbye, my son. Our hopes and dreams travel with you." Jor-El ~ Man of Steel (2013)
  • GaddGeneGaddGaddGeneGadd Posts: 189MI6 Agent
    I will use the highly scientific model of which video game I liked better " Everything or Nothing " starring PB or " Bloodstone " starring DC. The winner is " Everything or Nothing " and the Brozzer. NO WAY a PS 2 game from 04 should be better than a ps3 game from 2011, but it is. So there you go :s :s :s
  • PaperbillPaperbill FloridaPosts: 812MI6 Agent
    Craig, although I was not happy when they went with him over Brosnan
  • Well Brosnan's had four goes compared to Craig's two, although some would argue was Craig even Bond to begin with and was QOS even a Bond movie?

    In any event, Craig is almost Dalton like with regards to the Fleming character, not all the time mind, but there are definitely traces of the original character shining out every now and again when he's in the role. Brosnan was a bit too punny for me sometimes, more like an americanized Moore every now and again and I'll say he was past it by the time of 2002s Die Another Day, whether he wanted to continue or otherwise it was for the best that someone else more appropriate took the role for Royale, you could never imagine an ageing 'less than Charles Atlas physique' Brosnan doing those free running scenes in Madagascar, that bit was ridiculous enough but at least Craig made it slightly more believable

    Brosnan looked the part in Goldeneye and TWINE, but less so for TND and DAD, Craig was a shock to me first time around with his blue eyes, blond hair and WWE physique, but if you can look beyond that he hasn't done too bad a job, even if the second appearance was a bit of a major let down
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    ...ABC stepped in and ruined the entire thing in one fell swoop.
    NBC screwed the Brozzer B-)

    But it was ABC that screwed Lazenby in their re-edit of OHMSS!
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • bailorgbailorg Posts: 124MI6 Agent
    Well, Craig is my second favorite Bond next to Dalton, so there's my answer.

    As for Brosnan, as far as I'm concerned, his best performance as Bond came in The Thomas Crown Affair, which probably says more about my opinion of the actual Bond movies Brosnan had the misfortune of starring in.
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  • JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
    edited December 2011
    bailorg wrote:
    Well, Craig is my second favorite Bond next to Dalton, so there's my answer.

    As for Brosnan, as far as I'm concerned, his best performance as Bond came in The Thomas Crown Affair, which probably says more about my opinion of the actual Bond movies Brosnan had the misfortune of starring in.

    If Brosnan was working for British Intelligence in that movie then I would agree with your statement, but I don't believe he was...
    "Goodbye, my son. Our hopes and dreams travel with you." Jor-El ~ Man of Steel (2013)
  • jeffchjeffch Posts: 163MI6 Agent
    SilentSpy wrote:
    Craig is charting new territory since he is a completely different Bond. Skyfall will either be great or maybe the Spider-Man 3 of Craig's Bond films. Then we'll need another reboot...

    I thought most of the people who saw Quantum of Solace had already considered that to be the Spider-Man 3 of Craig's Bond films....Or is it the Batman Returns of Daniel's Bond outings? I don't really know. Quantum of Solace certainly wasn't as violent, vulgar, and nonsensical as Batman Returns but it was definitely just as disappointing especially after the first movie (Batman 1989 & Casino Royale 2006) which had divided the fan-base. Which means some people could put up with Batman killing criminals and James Bond playing poker and some people could not.


    Its funny you compare QOS with Batman Returns, I always compare DAD to Batman and Robin. Both movies were so bad that they rebooted the franchise afterward to get a fresh start. Also both movies had ice themes and dealt with diamonds and some sort of death beam. Also Zao looked a lot like Mr. Freeze. Lol

    But as far as the topic at hand, I like Brosnan, but he seemed a little too pretty boy GQ. He always looked like he was posing. Where as Craig is more rugged and tough. Two opposite sites of the character. I suppose it comes down to whether you prefer a more handsome suave bond or a more masculine tough guy bond.
  • Blood_StoneBlood_Stone Posts: 184MI6 Agent
    Personally, I never had a problem with Pierce aside from him being too smug at times. His films were hit or miss given the material, but when it comes to potraying the English spy, Craig surpasses him in every way possible.
  • JohnMastersonJohnMasterson MinnesotaPosts: 326MI6 Agent
    Personally, I never had a problem with Pierce aside from him being too smug at times. His films were hit or miss given the material, but when it comes to potraying the English spy, Craig surpasses him in every way possible.

    Didn't Ian Fleming give Bond a Scottish backround, though?
    "Goodbye, my son. Our hopes and dreams travel with you." Jor-El ~ Man of Steel (2013)
  • ZorinIndustriesZorinIndustries United StatesPosts: 837MI6 Agent
    Brosnan at the time spoke Bond. I just don't get that vibe from Daniel Craig.
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  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    hard question. Probably Craig, they really made something special with Casino royalye, which was far superior to any of the brosnan films, quite frankly when I joined ajb007 I hated Craig. I thought Bond esd Blonde! And where is Q and Moneypenny but he grew on me and he's right down equal to connery on my list. No offense to brosnan, GE and TWINE are good bond films
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