On her majesty secret service- the biggest hype up on bond

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  • Yourb Friend With A CatYourb Friend With A Cat Utrecht, NetherlandsPosts: 26MI6 Agent
    it has one of the best fighting-scenes of all bond-movies. on the beach in the beginning,. and later on, lazenby also beats quite hard towards other enemies.
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    I think the original poster was talking about hype within the Bond community, nowhere else.

    And I explained my theories of different groupings even within the Bond community, ranging from pedestrian to devoted follower. I also explained how many of those who've read the books are more likely to enjoy OHMSS, the one movie that was so unique in so many ways, one being its close adherence to the source material, its one-off Bond actor and director, its anti-top dog Bond ending, etc., etc., etc., that it became a litmus strip of sorts that separated the casual and fanatically diehard fans ...and going back to the literary aspect of Bond fandom, OHMSS has also become a lightning rod of debates since there are those in the Bond community who haven't read the novels/short stories and yet even some who I remember on this board who flat outright refuses to read the books...those who, in contrast to the resident Bond then even during a one-movie break, considers the "weak" lazenby not even holding a candle to the uber-personification of James Bond, Sean Connery (who btw is not the same Bond of the novels!)
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • GaddGeneGaddGaddGeneGadd Posts: 189MI6 Agent
    Let's not. :p

    It's not that the film is like Fleming's novel. It's that it's not sufficiently like Fleming's novel... but I feel I will have to start my mammoth thread to explain... :D

    Well Nap you know I am cool with the wide opinions of taste when it comes to Bond, ( though I do cringe a bit when someone points out the greatness of AVTAK or TMWTGG, but alas :)) ) but if my memory serves me OHMSS was closer than any Bond movie to Flemings source material. I know it varied a little with the time frame with Bond and Tracy's relationship, but it was about as true as a movie could be to a book IMHO.

    I know there was not a BIG action set piece until the second half BUT what a set piece it was. I think the ski scene may be the best action scene in the entire series. For me it was worth the wait because the story was so good. So I guess I am going to have to agree to disagree as well. But as " TP the wise " stated " Tosca's not for everyone " B-)
  • GaddGeneGaddGaddGeneGadd Posts: 189MI6 Agent
    @ Superado
    Right now I can't recall the composers of LTK or GE off the top of my head, can I still stay in the super fanatic camp :)) But I think you hit the nail on the head. Or in my case I hit my head on the nail :D
  • jeffchjeffch Posts: 163MI6 Agent
    Hardyboy wrote:
    I agree with all the good things people have said about the film--its fidelity to Fleming, its action, its style, etc.--but I also think one of the reasons OHMSS is such a fan favorite is because of its uniqueness. This is the ONLY Bond film to star George Lazenby; the ONLY one where Bond gets married. . .until CR it was also the longest Bond film and it's the only one other than Dr No to have an instrumental title sequence. There really is no other film in the Bond series that's like OHMSS: love it or hate it, you can't take that away!

    FRWL had an instrumental title sequence. The title song wasn't played till the end.

    But I love OHMSS. The helicopter attack at the end is one of my all time favorite bond scenes. Its soo satisfying to watch Blofeld's Piz Gloria get totally demolished with the Bond theme playing in the background. I love how it has a totally different vibe and flow from any other Bond film. It totally deviated from the classic bond formula, which is also probably why so many people don't like it.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,486MI6 Agent
    Let's not. :p

    It's not that the film is like Fleming's novel. It's that it's not sufficiently like Fleming's novel... but I feel I will have to start my mammoth thread to explain... :D

    Well Nap you know I am cool with the wide opinions of taste when it comes to Bond, ( though I do cringe a bit when someone points out the greatness of AVTAK or TMWTGG, but alas :)) ) but if my memory serves me OHMSS was closer than any Bond movie to Flemings source material. I know it varied a little with the time frame with Bond and Tracy's relationship, but it was about as true as a movie could be to a book IMHO.

    I know there was not a BIG action set piece until the second half BUT what a set piece it was. I think the ski scene may be the best action scene in the entire series. For me it was worth the wait because the story was so good. So I guess I am going to have to agree to disagree as well. But as " TP the wise " stated " Tosca's not for everyone " B-)

    It's v similiar in plot to the book, but for me the mood is v different. I really enjoyed reading the book last Christmas, but the feel is very different, it has a strange air of nostalgia and melancholy and freshness about it, also an eerieness up at Piz Gloria.
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  • hegottheboothegottheboot USAPosts: 327MI6 Agent
    It is the "best" Bond film in my mind, but this is only a designation. It really isn't the best "Bond film" in the general sense.

    It is really the last of the classic period Bond films, and the result is a tightly woven masterwork.

    I think I came to like this film more and more because of studying the various components of what made everything work, and who was involved at the time. The majority of the tried and true team was still on board, but OHMSS is really made by Peter Hunt's direction. He wanted to be there and gave it his all. And he knew 007 inside out, better than anyone else at the time because he had cut the first four films and knew exactly how Young and Hamilton had worked with molding the Fleming material into cinematic exploits.

    OHMSS is to me, the only film that comes anywhere near actually seeming like a Fleming novel. There is palpable tension, insubordination, distress, and a Bond that actually seems human. OHMSS in several ways more closely resembles The Ipcress File or The Spy Who Came In From the Cold than the superman Connery's Bond had become. And what Lazenby was able to do with his inexperience is be that blank slate he's often criticized for. This allows for Bond to actually seem more of a reactor than a doer. It just feels more realistic with this 007, and the fights certainly add to the realism.. :D

    And don't even get me started on Tracy. :x

    The film has two of the only genuinely emotional moments in the series...one is well known of course..but the one that sticks out to me vividly on every viewing is the winter festival at the Murren ice rink. Bond has barely gotten away from Blofeld's men. He's dead tired, bruised, battered, only with the clothes on his back and they're closing in. There's nowhere to go. James Bond is beaten and he knows it. He slumps down on a bench with his collar upturned and waits for the inevitable in a mixture of fear, anguish and incomprehension. And then Tracy appears as his guardian angel. Magic.

    Plus how can it be bad with Barry's best score? Even Maurice Binder's titles are thematic!

    I should stop before I write a novel.
  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    I really like your take on OHMSS. It's one of my favorites too.
    It is the "best" Bond film in my mind, but this is only a designation. It really isn't the best "Bond film" in the general sense.

    It is really the last of the classic period Bond films, and the result is a tightly woven masterwork.

    I think I came to like this film more and more because of studying the various components of what made everything work, and who was involved at the time. The majority of the tried and true team was still on board, but OHMSS is really made by Peter Hunt's direction. He wanted to be there and gave it his all. And he knew 007 inside out, better than anyone else at the time because he had cut the first four films and knew exactly how Young and Hamilton had worked with molding the Fleming material into cinematic exploits.

    OHMSS is to me, the only film that comes anywhere near actually seeming like a Fleming novel. There is palpable tension, insubordination, distress, and a Bond that actually seems human. OHMSS in several ways more closely resembles The Ipcress File or The Spy Who Came In From the Cold than the superman Connery's Bond had become. And what Lazenby was able to do with his inexperience is be that blank slate he's often criticized for. This allows for Bond to actually seem more of a reactor than a doer. It just feels more realistic with this 007, and the fights certainly add to the realism.. :D

    And don't even get me started on Tracy. :x

    The film has two of the only genuinely emotional moments in the series...one is well known of course..but the one that sticks out to me vividly on every viewing is the winter festival at the Murren ice rink. Bond has barely gotten away from Blofeld's men. He's dead tired, bruised, battered, only with the clothes on his back and they're closing in. There's nowhere to go. James Bond is beaten and he knows it. He slumps down on a bench with his collar upturned and waits for the inevitable in a mixture of fear, anguish and incomprehension. And then Tracy appears as his guardian angel. Magic.

    Plus how can it be bad with Barry's best score? Even Maurice Binder's titles are thematic!

    I should stop before I write a novel.
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  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    i got to admit, you guys are seriously persuading me to borrow it out again and watch it all, straight to the end.-i'll probably like it.
    and i've heard the score, best john barry score ever
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  • Blofeld's Other CatBlofeld's Other Cat Posts: 29MI6 Agent
    My husband likes Lazenby as Bond (as in he considers him sometimes the second best Bond actor. The best one we agree, the second best has been the only argument among us since we met 8 years ago), my opinion fluctuates every time I see the movie.
    His then probably fashionable clothing is way too weird, but I guess it's starting to look less ugly after seeing the movie a laugh times. Or then the current fashions are getting uglier so that would make Polyester Bond's clothing less ugly?

    I watched OHMSS last yesterday, and now I've got an urge to read the book. I still, after having seen the movie a lot of times in the past many years, don't understand why Bond falls so badly for such a spoiled, unstable girl. And if her name was Teresa, how does it turn to Tracy (other than her comment in the casino restaurant), and how come she was Di Vicenzo as her maiden name if her father was Draco... Etc etc. Add in the French car stickers, house in Portugal, Draco's Italian accent.. What accent was Teresa even supposed to have?
    I don't understand her, so perhaps the book will help.

    Definitely not the worst Bond.
    And hopefully her character was not as bastardized for the movie as Honey's in DN. I adores her history and the Jamaican accent in the book...
  • Moore ThanMoore Than EnglandPosts: 3,173MI6 Agent
    If one of the other five actors were portraying Bond and if the film was about 20-30 minutes shorter then OHMSS would very likely be in my top five.

    My main problem with OHMSS is George Lazenby. His acting inexperience is evident just about every time he opens his mouth (with a couple of exceptions). He is not all bad an example being when Bond is being held by Blofeld's goons as they observe the upside down body of Campbell. Lazenby portrays vulnerability really well there. He is also fine in the action scenes.

    Another problem is that the Piz Gloria sequence is way too long, it could easily be cut almost in half without losing anything. I am not such a big fan of Diana Rigg's portrayal of Tracy either. She looks beautiful alright but the accent she gives Tracy just grates with me at times, herecy I know. I love All The Time In The World, so you would think that I'd have a hanky ready for the tears during the montage but I am more likely to need the hanky to stop myself throwing up. I just don't believe in the romance.

    Now for the good and when I say good I mean stunning. John Barry at his absolute best (along with YOLT). The ski sequences brilliantly orchestrated/choreographed exciting and tense. Love the PTS but why does Bond have to be so precious with his Aston Martin by parking it so far from the water. Telly Savalas as Blofeld, a real highlight, the only visible Blofeld with real menace. Gabriele Ferzetti as Draco one of Bond's best allies.

    If only.
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  • oscar rubiooscar rubio Madrid (Spain)Posts: 286MI6 Agent
    My husband likes Lazenby as Bond (as in he considers him sometimes the second best Bond actor. The best one we agree, the second best has been the only argument among us since we met 8 years ago), my opinion fluctuates every time I see the movie.
    His then probably fashionable clothing is way too weird, but I guess it's starting to look less ugly after seeing the movie a laugh times. Or then the current fashions are getting uglier so that would make Polyester Bond's clothing less ugly?

    I watched OHMSS last yesterday, and now I've got an urge to read the book. I still, after having seen the movie a lot of times in the past many years, don't understand why Bond falls so badly for such a spoiled, unstable girl. And if her name was Teresa, how does it turn to Tracy (other than her comment in the casino restaurant), and how come she was Di Vicenzo as her maiden name if her father was Draco... Etc etc. Add in the French car stickers, house in Portugal, Draco's Italian accent.. What accent was Teresa even supposed to have?
    I don't understand her, so perhaps the book will help.

    Definitely not the worst Bond.
    And hopefully her character was not as bastardized for the movie as Honey's in DN. I adores her history and the Jamaican accent in the book...

    I dare say that sumarido is an intelligent man, who appreciates the good things, even if little known
  • CmdrAtticusCmdrAtticus United StatesPosts: 1,102MI6 Agent
    xboy614 wrote:
    Here is a question that has been bugging me for as long as I have been interested in Bond. It's On her majesty's secret service. I've seen the movie, well tried to see it, and i rather didn't enjoy it. Slow-moving, not bond. They spent about 40 -50 minutes on Bond meeting the ladies at piz gloria and ages on him bedding them. no offense to you lazenbury lovers, but i dislike this movie. I would rather watch Connery, moore, dalton, Brosnan or Craig any day. Can you please enlighten me how you like this movie.

    Well, I'll try not to repeat what everyone else has stated, but it appears from your POV that the film's pace seems out of place for the average Bond film; too much time is spent on Bond's interaction with the Piz Gloria women; the real large action scenes don't begin until his escape from the mountain.

    First, I agree with the scenes at Piz Gloria. They had Bond coming across as some scheming lounge lizard seducing bar flies and acting all proud of himself for getting to score with as many as he can. That's where the producers and writers were trying to still sell the commercial, marketable "playboy spy" figure they promoted as opposed to Fleming's deadly serious agent. If they had stayed closer to the novel to show the stress he was feeling about his cover being blown and how his mind was focused on getting Blofeld, the whole Piz Gloria part would have been more tense, taken less screen time and would have been more engaging and real. It would have helped if they had thrown out that whole George Baker dubbing thing as well.

    Second, it's true the large action set pieces don't appear farther into the film than in the "typical" Bond movie, but that is precisely why true Fleming fans like it. Fleming only saved his large action scenes for the parts of the novels where they made some logical sense. The film series throws out logic many times and just inserts the large action set pieces to give the audience the expected thrill.
    CR, as well done as it is, is a great example of this. The parkour and airport action scenes were made up and were not in the novel, because though they wanted to stay close to the novel, they knew that also had to keep some of the film series formula in -ie., big action scenes. OHMSS seems more realistic because it does keep those scenes where they belong as in the novel.

    Third, many Bond fans who grew up on the films or have just joined the ranks but have not read the novels or only a few are used to the action film genre formula, which has actually nothing to do with the original Bond. The novels were spy novels with an emphasis at times on fantasy elements (Dr. No, etc.). The first two films tried to stay true to that, but even in Dr. No they threw in the exploding reactor, then in FRWL the helicopter and boat exploding scenes. After that, there was no turning back. Everyone wanted to see things go boom, so they just kept piling them in. The Bond novels were about Bond and his physical and emotional stuggles trying to succeed in his missions, the movies are about an action hero trying to kill the bad guy, get the girl and blow a lot of stuff up using futuristic gadgets. That is why I disliked a lot of QOS. I could see the large action pieces coming like I used to feel when people were about to break into dance and or singing in the big MGM musicals. It's okay for me to have Bond in deadly fights and tense escapes, but I don't need to see one every five minutes, and I don't need to see anymore exploding Ken Adam inspired sets. They've done it. I can watch them on DVD. Let's get more creative now and make it as much about the man as it is about his missions. It's another reason why I and many other members will watch OHMSS or CR over QOS or TSWLM or DAD, etc.
  • lotuslotus englandPosts: 301MI6 Agent
    It is a perfect bond film
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,307MI6 Agent
    I enjoy OHMSS for many reasons but at the end of the day I like it because it makes James Bond human without robbing him of his persona as was done during the Craig films. In OHMSS Bond is every bit the seasoned, womanizing, know it all, nearly always unflappable agent yet we still manage to see a human and vulnerable side to him when he is being chased after escaping Piz Gloria and at the very end. The producers managed to freshen up the formula, scale back the gadgets and humanized the characters while still giving us a film that is very recognizable as a Bond movie and a lead who is good looking, suave, tough and yet still likeable and recognizable as James Bond.

    The romance with Tracy also develops organically; beginning as a one night stand and gradually blossoming into something far more meaningful over an extended period of time (as would occur in a real relationship). Tracy, in a departure from all Bond girls since her, starts out as the proverbial train wreck and gradually becomes a stronger person as the film progresses thru the love she and Bond share, truly becoming Bond's equal (or at least his soul mate) without having to be billed as such. When she meets her fate at the end, it is all the more hearbreaking because she was obviously his perfect match and because their relationship had not developed thru subterfuge or other less sincere means.

    So in the end OHMSS gives us the best of both worlds: a movie full of all the classic hallmarks of a Bond film while also being truer to the source material than any other Bond film before or since (yes, including Casino Royale) and one that packs a genuine and not manufactured emotional wallop at the very end.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,486MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    The romance with Tracy also develops organically; beginning as a one night stand and gradually blossoming into something far more meaningful over an extended period of time (as would occur in a real relationship).

    Speak for yourself you dirty devil.
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    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • doublenoughtspydoublenoughtspy Posts: 38MI6 Agent
    It's one and a half hours until the first action scene. One and a half hours! You could watch all of QoS in that time, though I admit you wouldn't want to...

    I don't know how a sane person can claim the PTS doesn't have action.

    Bond chases Tracy's car, he rescues her, Bond fights multiple attackers, a trampoline was involved, etc.

    In my many years researching OHMSS - I can honestly say that I have never come across a published review that claims the film doesn't have enough action.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,486MI6 Agent
    Of course not. It has loads of action. It's just all at the end, after the Piz Gloria escape.

    I said, not enough action during the first 90 minutes. A whole film's worth. Personally I don't see a fight scene as an action scene. I mean, if you name the action scenes in say QoS, you talk about the opener, the plane chase, but not the fight in the Haiti hotel room.

    I'm talking about car chases, boat chases, even a footchase. Anything like that. Fight scenes are okay, but imo not really an action scene in terms of what I'm looking for. But yeah, loads of fight scenes in the first 90 mins, all very repetitive.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,486MI6 Agent
    Reading an opinion on the Barbican exhibition in this week's Big Issue, is it really true that the allergy the one black woman has in OHMSS is bananas?!? It is cited as an example of early-days racism in the Bonds. To be honest, I do recall her eating a banana, but didn't see it as signifient, and the author makes an error in the piece, saying it's Lazenby's ski suit that is bright yellow (it's Moore in TWSLM of course).
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  • minigeffminigeff EnglandPosts: 7,884MI6 Agent
    (it's Moore in TWSLM of course).

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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,486MI6 Agent
    It's very hot here in London.
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  • BlackleiterBlackleiter Washington, DCPosts: 5,615MI6 Agent
    Yes, it's true about the bananas, and I absolutely felt that scene had racist overtones. Watch the scene again and see how the actress is shown rolling her eyes as she eats the banana. Very disappointing and unnecessary.
    Reading an opinion on the Barbican exhibition in this week's Big Issue, is it really true that the allergy the one black woman has in OHMSS is bananas?!? It is cited as an example of early-days racism in the Bonds. To be honest, I do recall her eating a banana, but didn't see it as signifient, and the author makes an error in the piece, saying it's Lazenby's ski suit that is bright yellow (it's Moore in TWSLM of course).
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  • thesecretagentthesecretagent CornwallPosts: 2,151MI6 Agent
    I hate Ruby's Lancashire accent. The anti-sex for me.
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,929Chief of Staff
    I hate Ruby's Lancashire accent. The anti-sex for me.

    Trust me, that's no Lancashire accent !
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  • 001001 ClassifiedPosts: 68MI6 Agent
    If this was a Connery film, it would be the best 007 film yet.
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