We don't know how old your friend is and what kind of movies he likes. I think he is not too interested in "dark, gritty thrillers" as he probably would have seen CR or QoS then when they were released. I don't think that you should rule out Roger Moore's films just because some members here don't like "over-the-top stunts" or "stupid gadgets" (never mind that these were what made Bond the worldwide success) or - god forbid - a little fun. In contrary I think the Moore films are a good start to get one who is not that interested in Bond started. I think TSWLM would be a good choice.
However, I agree with those suggesting Goldfinger, and I have also chosen this film to show to Bond novices.
But - I am a car nut ...
My tips to avoid:
- films that run (too) long: you would not want to show him a film that even among fans is partly considered "slow-moving" or even "boring". This group contains TB, OHMSS, CR.
- plots that are outdated, "pure-Fleming cold-war thrillers" like FRWL and TLD if the person is too young to have witnessed the cold war era. "Pure Fleming" or not won't bother anyone who has not even seen one film.
A supervillain plot will always be more contemporary - especially with the renewed interest in superhero franchises in recent years.
I can understand that your friend doesn't like "old" films. When I watched Dr No and FRWL for the first time when I was 14 or 15 they both bored me and felt terribly dated (they were 22, 23 years old then - I don't think that many films of the late '80s - except TLD - feel that old now, I think of Die Hard or Lethal Weapon for example).
If I hadn't known that the next film was Goldfinger with the Aston Martin, I probably would have not watched any more of the old Bonds after FRWL.
But Goldfinger is different from other '60s films: it does not feel that old. As Hardyboy said before - it contains all the right elements for a Bond film in a perfect balance. If one doesn't like Goldfinger (at least enough to try another Bond film) then he will never get into Bond at all. - Yes, it's that easy.
As good as Goldfinger is, AVAK is more contemporary and has much of the same plot, also it has little Cold War stuff and certainly has a supervillain plot - so AVTAK it is!
If your friend likes the action, the falls, Casino Royale
If your friend likes the fantasy TSWLM, Moonraker
If your friend likes classic movies, any of the top 4 in the series
Never seen a Bond film??? First of all you need to find some new friends! ) Seriously, though, I agree wholeheartedly with Hardyboy. Despite your friend's aversion to "old" movies, I would take a chance and start with Goldfinger or perhaps From Russia With Love to show your buddy what really got the cinema Bond craze rolling.
Yeah I know it's shameful lol. If nothing else at least he'll be educated by the experience.
And I feel dirty for saying this but I don't know if Goldfinger or From Russia With Love will have enough 'pull' to get him into it for his first time (forgive me for saying such a thing). But you're right, they're quality Bond films and should be considered. Any excuse to whip out the DVDs.
In my film class, the teacher asked who hadn't ever seen Star Wars. He was shocked by how many and changed the curriculum so that we could watch Star Wars instead of Jaws. I'm beginning to think he should have asked about Bond, too!
That'd make my job a lot easier. )
And can I just say, being new here, you guys have been a great help and even if my best mate doesn't get into Bond like I do, at least I've found a fantastic place to Bond-out every now and then. -{
Oh do come along, Nap! Starting this guy with tired old AVTAK is the best way to guarantee that he will never watch a Bond film again! And are you seriously comparing it favorably to Goldfinger? Good Lord!!! )
As good as Goldfinger is, AVAK is more contemporary and has much of the same plot, also it has little Cold War stuff and certainly has a supervillain plot - so AVTAK it is!
As good as Goldfinger is, AVAK is more contemporary and has much of the same plot, also it has little Cold War stuff and certainly has a supervillain plot - so AVTAK it is!
I suspect that you are being playful and up to mischief as you surely cannot believe that this would be a good choice (second only to Moonraker as the worst of the bunch)
A James Bond classic, Goldfinger, Goldeneye. Something which is most like the series. If he doesn't like them, give up, he doesn't like Bond full stop.
“The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
Sir_Hugo_DraxBeneath the Flat Stone Posts: 40MI6 Agent
We don't know how old your friend is and what kind of movies he likes. I think he is not too interested in "dark, gritty thrillers" as he probably would have seen CR or QoS then when they were released. I don't think that you should rule out Roger Moore's films just because some members here don't like "over-the-top stunts" or "stupid gadgets" (never mind that these were what made Bond the worldwide success) or - god forbid - a little fun. In contrary I think the Moore films are a good start to get one who is not that interested in Bond started. I think TSWLM would be a good choice.
However, I agree with those suggesting Goldfinger, and I have also chosen this film to show to Bond novices.
But - I am a car nut ...
My tips to avoid:
- films that run (too) long: you would not want to show him a film that even among fans is partly considered "slow-moving" or even "boring". This group contains TB, OHMSS, CR.
- plots that are outdated, "pure-Fleming cold-war thrillers" like FRWL and TLD if the person is too young to have witnessed the cold war era. "Pure Fleming" or not won't bother anyone who has not even seen one film.
A supervillain plot will always be more contemporary - especially with the renewed interest in superhero franchises in recent years.
I can understand that your friend doesn't like "old" films. When I watched Dr No and FRWL for the first time when I was 14 or 15 they both bored me and felt terribly dated (they were 22, 23 years old then - I don't think that many films of the late '80s - except TLD - feel that old now, I think of Die Hard or Lethal Weapon for example).
If I hadn't known that the next film was Goldfinger with the Aston Martin, I probably would have not watched any more of the old Bonds after FRWL.
But Goldfinger is different from other '60s films: it does not feel that old. As Hardyboy said before - it contains all the right elements for a Bond film in a perfect balance. If one doesn't like Goldfinger (at least enough to try another Bond film) then he will never get into Bond at all. - Yes, it's that easy.
Thanks for your detailed thoughts, Rainier. I don't think I consider the likes of Die hard or Lethal Weapon when I think of the era the 80s Bond movies came out... they're really not that old are they. That's a good perspective to go with.
Yeah this is gonna be tricky. I suppose I could always ask him. I mean he's never seen one but he has an idea what Bond's about roughly (as the rest of the whole non-Bond watching world undoubtedly does) so I could ask if he wants to see a gritty take or a more classic (guns, girls gadgets) take on the series. Maybe I could even find a few good trailers/fan-trailers of the most suggested movies you guys have listed here and let him pick out of those. That might work. What do you guys think about this idea?
EDIT:
Just to clarify what trailers (from your suggestions of course) I would probably show him if I were to go with this idea:
- Casino Royale (if he watches this one he'll have to watch QoS too)
- Goldeneye
- TWINE
- TLD
- FYEO
- Goldfinger (yeah, it's way over the limit I had but it's been repeatedly suggested and good points have been made for it's inclusion)
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Then he looked again at Bond and spoke very quietly, the red moustache lifting slowly from the splayed upper teeth.
"I should spend the money quickly, Commander Bond," he said.
Then he turn away from the table and walked swiftly out of the room.
If you don't want to start to old how about For Your Eyes Only? Roger Moore is still convincing, villains are realistic and Columbo is a great ally for Bond. Also some good action scenes too.
Anyway I would show your friend:
For Your Eyes Only
The Living Daylights
From Russia With Love
Casino Royale
A good mix of films with a lot of things that makes Bond brilliant. Best of luck
My bestfriend refuses to watch a Bond, even if it's a more comical one (we're young, so humour is good in our books). (-;
I did, however, get a close friend to watch Live and Let Die with me, and she didn't find it half bad. Despite her earlier remark, "James Bond is weird". I showed her :v
But it really does depend on what type of movies your friend likes.
Maybe something like TSWLM, Goldeneye for something a bit all round. Goldfinger, CR for something with a classic feel. I personally wouldn't start on a Dalton, only because his performance is really Fleming-esque and if your friend is new to Bond it will be an acquired taste. But if he likes them, definitley show him them hahaha! Sorry, if I haven't helped!
In my opinion, Goldfinger is a perfect film to show your friend. It is older, but I think it's got all the perfect aspects of a Bond movie that makes you say "Wow! I wanna be just like 007!" GF is the perfect 007 movie.
Sir_Hugo_DraxBeneath the Flat Stone Posts: 40MI6 Agent
Nah, you're input is most appreciated Mrs.Bryce. As is yours Smiert and Zorin - and everyone else while I'm at it.
And I agree with your "Wow! I wanna be just like 007!" remark with regards to Goldfinger. I'm also familiar with the reaction "James Bond is weird", lol you can't win 'em all. So I definitely think I'm gonna have to tailor his Bond experience and you've all made some well considered points.
My friend is on his way home as we speak so I'll go about showing him one sooner than later. This is actually really exciting. Again, thanks for all the input thus far.
Then he looked again at Bond and spoke very quietly, the red moustache lifting slowly from the splayed upper teeth.
"I should spend the money quickly, Commander Bond," he said.
Then he turn away from the table and walked swiftly out of the room.
Why not go with the best from each era?
Start with casino royale, then from russia with love, you only live twice, for your eyes only, licence to kill and goldeneye.
"You're in the wrong business... leave it to the professionals!"
James Bond- Licence To Kill
Why not go with the best from each era?
Start with casino royale, then from russia with love, you only live twice, for your eyes only, licence to kill and goldeneye.
Nice premise, but that's a rather curious selection of "best" films from each "era".
It had everything. over the top villain, conquer the world theme, hot bond girl, larger than life sidekick, awesome pre title sequence, awesome climax.. it was perfect.
Sir_Hugo_DraxBeneath the Flat Stone Posts: 40MI6 Agent
edited February 2012
Not a bad idea. I haven't actually gotten a chance to show him yet as both of us have been tied up in our studies for the past few weeks but I have mentioned it and he was open to the idea of a more outlandish and extravagant outing. At first (above) I was hesitant to suggest something like that for a first experience but he actually sounded genuinely into the idea. If I do, I'm thinking The Spy Who Loved Me or possibly even Live and Let Die... leaning towards TSWLM though.
Then he looked again at Bond and spoke very quietly, the red moustache lifting slowly from the splayed upper teeth.
"I should spend the money quickly, Commander Bond," he said.
Then he turn away from the table and walked swiftly out of the room.
An ideal introduction, along with GF. These two films showcase all the best elements of cinematic Bond. I love LALD (my introduction to Bond in 1973), but would not recommend it as an introduction these days. It has some great elements but the blaxploitation/voodoo stuff (which I love) is a one off and may come across as rather dated or even weird to some.
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Sir_Hugo_DraxBeneath the Flat Stone Posts: 40MI6 Agent
Ooh!
They're my two favourites!
Please keep me, actually us, informed!
I'd love to hear how it goes!
Sure thing Mrs.Bryce! I look forward to sharing. In a strange way this feels as much a first for me as it will be for him, it's a great feeling of anticipation. Like I get to watch it for the first time... again!
And Moore Than, you're right, TSWLM is a better 'all-rounder' for this particular circumstance I think. -{
Then he looked again at Bond and spoke very quietly, the red moustache lifting slowly from the splayed upper teeth.
"I should spend the money quickly, Commander Bond," he said.
Then he turn away from the table and walked swiftly out of the room.
I am in the same situation in that my best friend has never seen a full Bond movie, just caught ones on tv halfway through. I think the first one he caught on tv was Octopussy, I had to break it down to him that its not the best movie to base a first impression on. The first movie I was fully exposed to was Goldeneye, with many friends having the original N64 Goldeneye game we were quick to check out that movie on VHS. From there I was hooked, as the rest of my friends just saw it as another action movie. The first Bond I ever saw in theaters was Tomorrow Never Dies, which solidified me as a Bond fan for life. Having almost all of the right ingredients, TND is a great way to introduce the Bond franchise, and still holds up well today. At the end of the day I'd say one film wont make it or break it for him, because If you show him GF, TND, and CR, he can right away see the connections to what makes a Bond film, and decide if he's game to watch more. I failed on my attempt to get my girlfriend interested, I started with a Connery film and she passed out halfway through. Lesson learned.
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Edit done. Sorry if it offended.
However, I agree with those suggesting Goldfinger, and I have also chosen this film to show to Bond novices.
But - I am a car nut ...
My tips to avoid:
- films that run (too) long: you would not want to show him a film that even among fans is partly considered "slow-moving" or even "boring". This group contains TB, OHMSS, CR.
- plots that are outdated, "pure-Fleming cold-war thrillers" like FRWL and TLD if the person is too young to have witnessed the cold war era. "Pure Fleming" or not won't bother anyone who has not even seen one film.
A supervillain plot will always be more contemporary - especially with the renewed interest in superhero franchises in recent years.
I can understand that your friend doesn't like "old" films. When I watched Dr No and FRWL for the first time when I was 14 or 15 they both bored me and felt terribly dated (they were 22, 23 years old then - I don't think that many films of the late '80s - except TLD
If I hadn't known that the next film was Goldfinger with the Aston Martin, I probably would have not watched any more of the old Bonds after FRWL.
But Goldfinger is different from other '60s films: it does not feel that old. As Hardyboy said before - it contains all the right elements for a Bond film in a perfect balance. If one doesn't like Goldfinger (at least enough to try another Bond film) then he will never get into Bond at all. - Yes, it's that easy.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
If your friend likes the fantasy TSWLM, Moonraker
If your friend likes classic movies, any of the top 4 in the series
I have to thank you for posting that. I've listen to it about 20 times since and it never gets old , lol
I suspect that you are being playful and up to mischief as you surely cannot believe that this would be a good choice (second only to Moonraker as the worst of the bunch)
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
I starting to feel the effects. :P
Thanks for your detailed thoughts, Rainier.
Yeah this is gonna be tricky. I suppose I could always ask him. I mean he's never seen one but he has an idea what Bond's about roughly (as the rest of the whole non-Bond watching world undoubtedly does) so I could ask if he wants to see a gritty take or a more classic (guns, girls gadgets) take on the series. Maybe I could even find a few good trailers/fan-trailers of the most suggested movies you guys have listed here and let him pick out of those. That might work. What do you guys think about this idea?
EDIT:
Just to clarify what trailers (from your suggestions of course) I would probably show him if I were to go with this idea:
- Casino Royale (if he watches this one he'll have to watch QoS too)
- Goldeneye
- TWINE
- TLD
- FYEO
- Goldfinger (yeah, it's way over the limit I had but it's been repeatedly suggested and good points have been made for it's inclusion)
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"I should spend the money quickly, Commander Bond," he said.
Then he turn away from the table and walked swiftly out of the room.
Anyway I would show your friend:
For Your Eyes Only
The Living Daylights
From Russia With Love
Casino Royale
A good mix of films with a lot of things that makes Bond brilliant. Best of luck
I did, however, get a close friend to watch Live and Let Die with me, and she didn't find it half bad. Despite her earlier remark, "James Bond is weird". I showed her :v
But it really does depend on what type of movies your friend likes.
Maybe something like TSWLM, Goldeneye for something a bit all round. Goldfinger, CR for something with a classic feel. I personally wouldn't start on a Dalton, only because his performance is really Fleming-esque and if your friend is new to Bond it will be an acquired taste. But if he likes them, definitley show him them hahaha! Sorry, if I haven't helped!
1. GoldenEye 2. Goldfinger 3. Skyfall 4. OHMSS 5. TWINE
And I agree with your "Wow! I wanna be just like 007!" remark with regards to Goldfinger. I'm also familiar with the reaction "James Bond is weird", lol you can't win 'em all. So I definitely think I'm gonna have to tailor his Bond experience and you've all made some well considered points.
My friend is on his way home as we speak so I'll go about showing him one sooner than later. This is actually really exciting. Again, thanks for all the input thus far.
"I should spend the money quickly, Commander Bond," he said.
Then he turn away from the table and walked swiftly out of the room.
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
Start with casino royale, then from russia with love, you only live twice, for your eyes only, licence to kill and goldeneye.
James Bond- Licence To Kill
Nice premise, but that's a rather curious selection of "best" films from each "era".
Oh well, to each their own ...
It had everything. over the top villain, conquer the world theme, hot bond girl, larger than life sidekick, awesome pre title sequence, awesome climax.. it was perfect.
"I should spend the money quickly, Commander Bond," he said.
Then he turn away from the table and walked swiftly out of the room.
They're my two favourites!
Please keep me, actually us, informed!
I'd love to hear how it goes!
An ideal introduction, along with GF. These two films showcase all the best elements of cinematic Bond. I love LALD (my introduction to Bond in 1973), but would not recommend it as an introduction these days. It has some great elements but the blaxploitation/voodoo stuff (which I love) is a one off and may come across as rather dated or even weird to some.
Sure thing Mrs.Bryce! I look forward to sharing.
And Moore Than, you're right, TSWLM is a better 'all-rounder' for this particular circumstance I think. -{
"I should spend the money quickly, Commander Bond," he said.
Then he turn away from the table and walked swiftly out of the room.
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