The watch you should have (instead of the Bond ones)
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NOMOS (made in Glashutte, Germany). Incredible quality for about 1000-1500$.
SINN 556 (made in Germany as well, about 700$).
http://ca.askmen.com/fashion/watch/sinn-556.html
Rolex, even though it is good quality, is a bit outdated and Omega is cheap marketing, like almost everything else in the Swatch group, except Glashutte Original and Breguet, but which is not what it used to be.
Germany has about the same prestige than Switzerland, since Lange comes from there, and is perhaps one of the very greatest brands, along with Patek.
NOMOS doesn't advertise (this is how they keep their price low, but then, people don't know about it)
Do you guys know other good quality brands for reasonable money, or watches that you like?
SINN 556 (made in Germany as well, about 700$).
http://ca.askmen.com/fashion/watch/sinn-556.html
Rolex, even though it is good quality, is a bit outdated and Omega is cheap marketing, like almost everything else in the Swatch group, except Glashutte Original and Breguet, but which is not what it used to be.
Germany has about the same prestige than Switzerland, since Lange comes from there, and is perhaps one of the very greatest brands, along with Patek.
NOMOS doesn't advertise (this is how they keep their price low, but then, people don't know about it)
Do you guys know other good quality brands for reasonable money, or watches that you like?
If you can't trust a Swiss banker, what's the world come to?
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I wear a - ahem - Timex Perpetual Calendar, date is always correct. Black face, illuminated hands etc. Cost a tenner on eBay.
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It would be perfect if you didn't have to look at it. (For me anyway).
How about Hamilton for an odd idea? http://www.hamiltonwatch.com/en/gents/american-classic/timeless-classic/valiant-auto/H39515733
"Each to their own...but that watch is bland..."
Yes...and yes, very much so...
Sorry Toutbrun.
Each to their own. For me, Rolex...knuckledusters.
Each to their own, and my own is Tissot.
I own only one.
There are several I wish to own.
One day I'll have a 1965 PR516. And it will look boss on my wrist while my wrist rests on the steering wheel of my little car.
I can't agree that the SINN 556 is a better than the Omega Seamaster. However, NOMOS Glashutte makes a great watch. Check out out the NOMOS Glashutte Tangomat Datum:
http://www.nomos-glashuette.com/index.php?id=497&L=1
Now that's a nice watch!
I got a skeleton from swatch which is nice, £90 ish I think, also got an accurate world time too, lots if functions on it.
There's loads of omega/ Rolex look a likes these days, but I think my next will be the dbr1 watch by Christopher ward, if I can afford it before they're all sold
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you should stick with your TF scarves and ties and try to learn a bit about watches before writing such a nonsense.
Though Sinn is a german-owned company, the watches have nothing common with Lange & Söhne. And after a very long gap, Lange is followed by Glashütte, even some people will like them to be equal.
It's like comparing an Aston Martin with a Jaguar
As for the mentioned Sinn, it uses a very basic ETA 2824 Swiss movement and I wonder, how they managed to get the "Made In Germany" approval.
The Sinn would compare with a Ford Focus with a 3-cylinder engine
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Lange and Glashutte are not equal.
I don't like Sinn, but it's better than a lot of branded watches.
NOMOS makes incredible, in-house quality watches. said very clearly that it was not the same thing as Patek, but it's the same idea. It's about quality, and Omega watches are not quality. It's marketing. Co-axial is not a revolution, it's a marketing scam.
I'm not saying that 1000$ is cheap, but for a in-house quality watch, it's nothing!
Don't insult me, you obviously don't know much about watches.
I guess it's down to personal taste, but you can certainly feel the difference in build quality with the more pricey watches. Plus I know that my seamy has an omega movement, unlike them Porsche watches with god knows what inside.
One man's art is another's graffiti.
Personally that watch you like, I find very simple and uninteresting. There again, others would say my accurist world time is too complicated and 'busy' on the dial.
Each unto their own tout -{
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Of course. I just feel like at times people seem only to want Omega and Rolex, and that's a horological shame, because they are not interested in quality. But I think that with time, the market will move towards quality as people get more educated about the movements and provenance and craftsmanship.
if you read my lines again you'll say that I did not insult you.
But you are wrong in many points:
The praised NOMOS "inhouse" watch has a base movement called ETA-Peseux 7001. They do a nice finish to the base movement, but the basic technology comes from ETA (Swatch group which you are looking down one).
If you are asking me , the present Omega movements, which base on the ETA 2892-A2 are at least as nicely decorated as the Nomos movement. And the Coaxial escapement Is a revolution, Geaorge Daniel was one of the great men in horlogy!
Saying that Rolex is "outdated" has no basis at all. What are you referring to?
The recent updated product lines, where almost everything from movements, over bracelets, watch cases and dials have been significantly upgraded recently?
Of course, Omega and Rolex spend a LOT of money for marketing. But I'd say that the marketing cost/watch ratio is lower on Rolex and Omega compared to Nomos or many other companies.
And if you are looking on the sales figures, Omega and Rolex have never been as well as today!
Now telling me, that I don't know about watches - you should think twice. I am in the watch business for over 25 yrs now, what do you have to offer?
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Omega and Rolex an horlogical shame???
If Rolex wouldn't have held the mechanical watch high in the 80s, the entire watch industry would have been dead!
I can tell you, that I had all brands: Patek, IWC, Breguet, Jaeger-le Coultre, still have a Vacheron (Lemania 2310 does that ring a bell?) and many others.
And guess, how many Rolexes I have in my collection?
And I have them, because they offer outstanding quality over-the time proven design and value over the years like no other watch.
But what do I know - guess that I have been falling into a marketing trap
And by the way: I had a lot of conversations with Mr. Schwertner in the past.
He would never speak a bad word about Rolex
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Omega has no horological value, except for the Speedmaster, which JB doesn't wear.
Rolex is nice and of quality, but it's very nouveau riche and-or old school. It's not innovating at all anymore. Their newest diving watch is ridiculous (deepsea).
I think people should consider opening their horizons.
Ask anyone in the business, the co-axial is nothing more than marketing. It has no value.
Can't figure out how the people do this quote thing.
For what it's worth Toutbrun, I'm at least semi-with you on this one.
I'm one person (the one person?) who doesn't want an Omega or a Rolex.
Unfortunately I'm completely ignorant of movements and craftmanship. I may be ignorant about provenance. I don't know. I don't have a dictionary handy.
But I think this is another good thread. There are a lot of watch fans out there. And nice to chat and "show and tell" something other than Rolex and Omega. This kind of thing is done a lot with guns, cars and mobile phones on AJB.
Infact, Nomos DOES advertise! Maybe not in your country, but they do! Here in Germany in print-ads (Spiegel, watch magazines and others) since over 20 yrs. And a catalogue or a webpage belongs to marketing cost as well.
And what does advertising or marketing have to do with horlogical value? Both are possible at the same time.
Interesting. Look at their innvovations (8500 movement all the ETA technology to name some of them)
I thought, that we are talking about horlogy and not about images, clichees?
And yes, these clichees are correct: New rich people buy Rolex and Omega.
And the same people (noveau-riches) also buy Patek, Nomos, Lange, Aston Martin, TF, Leica, and many other well established brands. Does that say anything about their company values?
As for Rolex being old-school and not innovative: Another clichee. What is bad with "old school"? Is Breguet "old-school" as well? It's just another clichee!
And Rolex not being innovative: You and I don't like the Deepsea. Good! But the design (in a technical way) is extremely innovative. Look at the Yacht Master II: The movement is a mechanical masterpiece itself and the entire watch is very innovative.
Before you spread such terms (which are often used by people, who think that they have a knowledge about watches, but really don't), better do some homework.
Maybe you should do? 8-)
Well I talk to these people on a daily basis. And many of them will disagree.
Tout: You don't like Omega and Rolex and that's absolutely ok with me.
But don't spread half- or "nouveau"
I know my facts pretty well and it's not that easy like reading some "new men article" and get a great knowledge about watches
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All I'm saying is that there are other brands than Rolex and Omega and that maybe you're not getting enough quality for your dollar. I don't think that you're going to be more happy with a Tag Heuer, but at least it would open the dialogue.
I'm happy that I did open at least some kind of a debate. Hopefully someone will start it again in a few months.
Perhaps I can criticize Obama next week and really whip s*it up. (I do believe that Ralph Nader would make a better President, or someone like Elizabeth Warren).
EDIT : And there is no need to attack my scarf.
No one knows all the details the movements (or at least very few people). It a lot of cases even the salespersons (except for the very highend boutiques) don't know much more than the very basics and a few complications (they'll tell you what a minute repeater is). But I just think that people here should at least see what's out there outside of their duopoly.
Read my post again. I have compared marketing spendings/watch and I have told you, that Nomos is paying for marketing like ads.
And by the way, Mr. Schwertner is coming from the marketing branch. And he knows his stuff.
And no, you where saying, that Rolex and Omega don't bear horlogical values and are pure marketing. And that's the issue of our discussion - not the fact, that there are other brands.
Btt: I always found, that Tissot (also a member of the Swatch group) offers very good value compared to the price.
And this watch:
I find incredibly well made and great value for the money:
I have found it for US$ 80,-- in Hong Kong. Genuine Japan made Seiko, Automatic Japanese movement, built like a tank
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Yeah you heard me, i'm getting old
So the question is, can anyone suggest something cool, stylish and well made, something a little unique? I prefer s/s bracelets and simple dials, hence why i like my seamy so much.
any suggestions? up to £400GBP would be cool.
oh and i see the original christopher ward dbr1 watch has sold out and you can only get the new version now £575. bastards.
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wait - how much did you say was the budget?
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Bondtoys : I said that Rolex were quality watches, but I will reiterate that Omega has very little value.
Seiko is great, but more their higher range.
I'm not sure that Tissot is very interesting.. I think that NOMOS is the greatest value for the money in this kind of price.
Tissot, Longines, Omega... it's all the same, just different names and ads. It's all swatch group.
And about Breguet, it's good quality, but for the same price you can get Patek. Breguet has very little to do with the company it used to be.
tout, just let me qoute yourself:
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There are very few absolute truths in the world.
And that's only your opinion...plenty of others will have a different opinion on this...
Anyway, there's a few experts here, so what do you think of Tag? I like some of them, and I'm a car nut and like the racing association with them. Are they any good?
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Tag-Heuer is not better in any regard ;D
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Do you have any pics of your watch collection all on display??? Your collection sounds pretty mighty!!!!!!!!!!
Of course I would fully understand if you would prefer not to share these kind of things that are of course private also!
I can certainly relate to the reason why you're liking a Tag.
I know more about nuclear physics than the technical merits of watches. So I've fallen back on "prettyness" and "it looks like a racing car driver's watch" as reasons for wanting a watch.
But when I spent a lot of time in China and Korea, there were a serious number of fake Tags around. They would give you one free when you bought a fake Rolex.
You could always go for a Tissot. Nobody bothers faking them.
If I could figure out how to do it, I would be plastering pictures of nice watches you could buy all over this thread. But I can't figure it out. So my advice has to be pick up the Argos catalogue and buy a casio.