That's the opinion of most people in the business who are not working for the Swatch group and who really know their stuff.
You mean jealous people then ? )
I've NEVER heard anybody say that either Rolex or Omega don't make quality watches...so I've no idea whom you are talking about...especially as you don't mention any 'names'....it's all too easy to write slop like this and then hide behind 'nameless people'... 8-)
Obviously you guys won't change your minds, but the truth is that Omega is not a real watch. It's not crap, it's not bad, but it's not Glashutte quality and it's definitely not haute horlogerie. It's bland and all marketing.
All I am saying is that think that this is the ultimate watch is being misinformed.
If you can't trust a Swiss banker, what's the world come to?
Rolex, even though it is good quality, is a bit outdated and Omega is cheap marketing, like almost everything else in the Swatch group, except Glashutte Original and Breguet, but which is not what it used to be.
Germany has about the same prestige than Switzerland, since Lange comes from there, and is perhaps one of the very greatest brands, along with Patek.
NOMOS doesn't advertise (this is how they keep their price low, but then, people don't know about it)
Do you guys know other good quality brands for reasonable money, or watches that you like?
I think Sinn makes some outstanding watches. However, I'm not mad about that particular one.
Both Rolex and Omega are good solid Brands with storied pasts. The problem I have with Omega is the whole LE Bond watch thing. However, the fact that they keep rolling them out with every new Bond movie suggests to me that they must sell very well. As the saying goes money talks and bulls**t walks. I don't think Rolex would ever do that, but there is a certain stodginess associated with the Rolex brand. Rolex sells every watch they make, so again they bring in the money. Two great brands with differing marketing philosophies that sell very well.
As for other watches that represent good value for the money, there are literaly dozens. check out Watchuseek and you'll see what I mean. I like homage watches because they offer great designs of old for comparitively low cost without trademark infringement. The father of the modern day homage watch is probably Ken Sato. Ken Sato is a Japanese Rolex collector who began making homages to the great Rolex designes of the past under his brands ProLex, RXW and Ken Trading:
I like the so-called boutique brands of today, but there are other brands including Swiss brands that offer great value for the dollar. Oris is one that comes to mind. If you can get past the "mega brand" label thing, it's a great big beautiful watch world out there.
DG
Edit: The Subpro is a "fugly" watch with a mish-mash of design cues. The Kingston did it so much better. However Sato made some other homages like the RXW Marina Militare that are considered excellent modern classics by the cognoscenti.
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Noone claims, that Omega or Rolex are the ultimate watches.
And noone puts them into haute horlogerie. That belongs to Lange, Patek, Parmigiani, FP Journe and others.
Tout, please stop making a fool out of yourself and stay with your argumentation, which contradicts itself.
The fact, that 2 brands are popular and do marketing says nothing about their history and qualities.
To have a decades-long history, you have to make a profitable business. And therefore, many companies do marketing additional to their efforts to deliver good quality. I don't see anything bad in it!
The same with some haute-horlogerie companies - I am sure, that the ad cost/watch ratio is higher with Patek than it is with Rolex.
Does this say anything about Patek's qualities?
There is not only black or white, there is a lot grey. And there are also many watch companies, which are neither Haute horlogerie or crap. They are simply good branded watches.
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noone keeps you off from buying and proudly owning a Nomos, Sinn or Glashütte watch.
Enjoy it and wear it in good health {[] .
This all gets problematic when you are lookig down on existing or future Omega and Rolex owners "because they know nothing about watches", "their watches are no real watches", "their watches are crap" and "they fell into a marketing trap".
I think, that I am ready for the peace nobel price now, Sir Miles, aint me?
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Rolex, even though it is good quality, is a bit outdated and Omega is cheap marketing, like almost everything else in the Swatch group, except Glashutte Original and Breguet, but which is not what it used to be.
Germany has about the same prestige than Switzerland, since Lange comes from there, and is perhaps one of the very greatest brands, along with Patek.
NOMOS doesn't advertise (this is how they keep their price low, but then, people don't know about it)
Do you guys know other good quality brands for reasonable money, or watches that you like?
I think Sinn makes some outstanding watches. However, I'm not mad about that particular one.
Both Rolex and Omega are good solid Brands with storied pasts. The problem I have with Omega is the whole LE Bond watch thing. However, the fact that they keep rolling them out with every new Bond movie suggests to me that they must sell very well. As the saying goes money talks and bulls**t walks. I don't think Rolex would ever do that, but there is a certain stodginess associated with the Rolex brand. Rolex sells every watch they make, so again they bring in the money. Two great brands with differing marketing philosophies that sell very well.
As for other watches that represent good value for the money, there are literaly dozens. check out Watchuseek and you'll see what I mean. I like homage watches because they offer great designs of old for comparitively low cost without trademark infringement. The father of the modern day homage watch is probably Ken Sato. Ken Sato is a Japanese Rolex collector who began making homages to the great Rolex designes of the past under his brands ProLex, RXW and Ken Trading:
I like the so-called boutique brands of today, but there are other brands including Swiss brands that offer great value for the dollar. Oris is one that comes to mind. If you can get past the "mega brand" label thing, it's a great big beautiful watch world out there.
DG
Edit: The Subpro is a "fugly" watch with a mish-mash of design cues. The Kingston did it so much better. However Sato made some other homages like the RXW Marina Militare that are considered excellent modern classics by the cognoscenti.
Good alternatives, I will look into them.
If you can't trust a Swiss banker, what's the world come to?
I just bought one for my son (15) as his first mechanical, and he loves it.
Pretty good little watch at $250. This is just my opinion, if people disagree I'm OK with that, I accept that they may have a point and I don't need to be a pr#ck about it. -{
Dont wait for your ship to come in. Swim out and meet the bloody thing.
I just bought one for my son (15) as his first mechanical, and he loves it.
Pretty good little watch at $250. This is just my opinion, if people disagree I'm OK with that, I accept that they may have a point and I don't need to be a pr#ck about it. -{
I just bought one for my son (15) as his first mechanical, and he loves it.
Pretty good little watch at $250. This is just my opinion, if people disagree I'm OK with that, I accept that they may have a point and I don't need to be a pr#ck about it. -{
That Hamilton is a nice little watch with design cues taken from a Vietnam era U.S. military watch. Hamilton was a storied American brand that is now owned by the Swatch Group, the same company that owns Omega. Proof, yet again, that even the big boys make homage watches and that there is nothing new under the sun in watch world. It's been going on for ages.
DG
Edit: Design cues taken from the Benrus DTU-2A/P MIL-W-3818B.
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
That Hamilton is a nice little watch with design cues taken from a Vietnam era U.S. military watch. Hamilton was a storied American brand that is now owned by the Swatch Group, the same company that owns Omega. Proof, yet again, that even the big boys make homage watches and that there is nothing new under the sun in watch world. It's been going on for ages.
DG
Damn, I just cant get away from the Swatch Group, that's 4 in the family now. )
Interesting. It struck me as a 'boys' watch in that it would appeal in a military kind of way. Plus I knew if he did'nt like it, I would wear it.
Dont wait for your ship to come in. Swim out and meet the bloody thing.
[ Proof, yet again, that even the big boys make homage watches and that there is nothing new under the sun in watch world. It's been going on for ages.
DG
Don't let our friend with the Bond watch blog hear this, DG
But you certainly have a point.
Seeing this Hamilton makes me a bit sorry having handed over the cash for my new toy recently:
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
That Hamilton is a nice little watch with design cues taken from a Vietnam era U.S. military watch. Hamilton was a storied American brand that is now owned by the Swatch Group, the same company that owns Omega. Proof, yet again, that even the big boys make homage watches and that there is nothing new under the sun in watch world. It's been going on for ages.
DG
Damn, I just cant get away from the Swatch Group, that's 4 in the family now. )
Interesting. It struck me as a 'boys' watch in that it would appeal in a military kind of way. Plus I knew if he did'nt like it, I would wear it.
Yep. I edited my post above. Design cues taken from the Benrus DTU-2A/P MIL-W-3818B. The same watch worn by Steve McQueen in Bullitt.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
[ Proof, yet again, that even the big boys make homage watches and that there is nothing new under the sun in watch world. It's been going on for ages.
DG
Don't let our friend with the Bond watch blog hear this, DG
But you certainly have a point.
Seeing this Hamilton makes me a bit sorry having handed over the cash for my new toy recently:
Very nice Bondtoys! The pilot watch of old made new again. Enjoy big guy! I need to add one to my collection.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Design cues taken from the Benrus DTU-2A/P MIL-W-3818B. The same watch worn by Steve McQueen in Bullitt.
Nice!
It must have been in my subconscious somewhere. We were also laughing at Mathis in QoS, when he wears his Hamilton sideways to give it more face time on screen.
Dont wait for your ship to come in. Swim out and meet the bloody thing.
...but the truth is that Omega is not a real watch.
Wow, what an arrogant statement. Perhaps you're just upset that you can't use other people's knowledge and research to source them cheaply and then flog them on eBay for massive profit. Understandable, I suppose.
For what it's worth, I have wanted an Omega for as long as I can remember...not because I believed it to be the best watch in the world but because I loved the way they look and I loved the connection with Bond and with the Apollo programme. I bought a second hand one about 5 years ago and absolutely love it. It never loses a single second, looks nice - in my opinion and many others based on the comments I've received for it - has a lovely weight and feel and is the most comfortable watch I have ever owned. It makes me happy every time I look at it and I imagine I will keep it for a very long time. If the quality of an item is judged on owner satisfaction (which is ultimately the only thing that matters), then my Omega is in the top three things I have ever bought.
Incidentally, I would have thought that the single most important criteria for a "real watch" would be its ability to keep perfect time. But obviously I am confused and it's got more to do with some horological elitism and general arrogance.
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That's not my opinion. That's the opinion of most people in the business who are not working for the Swatch group and who really know their stuff.
I went to Basel two years ago and when you venture outside the Swatch group quarters, you meet a lot of people.
Ah right...so you don't share that opion....good...I'm glad thats clear.
You mean jealous people then ?
I've NEVER heard anybody say that either Rolex or Omega don't make quality watches...so I've no idea whom you are talking about...especially as you don't mention any 'names'....it's all too easy to write slop like this and then hide behind 'nameless people'... 8-)
And the watch you linked to is still bland -{
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
All I am saying is that think that this is the ultimate watch is being misinformed.
We don't want to hear any more about your threesomes, secretagent! X-(
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I think Sinn makes some outstanding watches. However, I'm not mad about that particular one.
Both Rolex and Omega are good solid Brands with storied pasts. The problem I have with Omega is the whole LE Bond watch thing. However, the fact that they keep rolling them out with every new Bond movie suggests to me that they must sell very well. As the saying goes money talks and bulls**t walks. I don't think Rolex would ever do that, but there is a certain stodginess associated with the Rolex brand. Rolex sells every watch they make, so again they bring in the money. Two great brands with differing marketing philosophies that sell very well.
As for other watches that represent good value for the money, there are literaly dozens. check out Watchuseek and you'll see what I mean. I like homage watches because they offer great designs of old for comparitively low cost without trademark infringement. The father of the modern day homage watch is probably Ken Sato. Ken Sato is a Japanese Rolex collector who began making homages to the great Rolex designes of the past under his brands ProLex, RXW and Ken Trading:
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f74/rxw-comex-1000gauss-double-red-big-crown-modem-killer-84885.html
RXW ZeroGrapher:
http://www.tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=113285
I like the so-called boutique brands of today, but there are other brands including Swiss brands that offer great value for the dollar. Oris is one that comes to mind. If you can get past the "mega brand" label thing, it's a great big beautiful watch world out there.
DG
Edit: The Subpro is a "fugly" watch with a mish-mash of design cues. The Kingston did it so much better. However Sato made some other homages like the RXW Marina Militare that are considered excellent modern classics by the cognoscenti.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
And noone puts them into haute horlogerie. That belongs to Lange, Patek, Parmigiani, FP Journe and others.
Tout, please stop making a fool out of yourself and stay with your argumentation, which contradicts itself.
The fact, that 2 brands are popular and do marketing says nothing about their history and qualities.
To have a decades-long history, you have to make a profitable business. And therefore, many companies do marketing additional to their efforts to deliver good quality. I don't see anything bad in it!
The same with some haute-horlogerie companies - I am sure, that the ad cost/watch ratio is higher with Patek than it is with Rolex.
Does this say anything about Patek's qualities?
There is not only black or white, there is a lot grey. And there are also many watch companies, which are neither Haute horlogerie or crap. They are simply good branded watches.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
noone keeps you off from buying and proudly owning a Nomos, Sinn or Glashütte watch.
Enjoy it and wear it in good health {[] .
This all gets problematic when you are lookig down on existing or future Omega and Rolex owners "because they know nothing about watches", "their watches are no real watches", "their watches are crap" and "they fell into a marketing trap".
I think, that I am ready for the peace nobel price now, Sir Miles, aint me?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
thing is i've never regretted buying my heap of **** watch, and i doubt i'll ever part with it.
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Good alternatives, I will look into them.
You're right in fact, if people like you buy Omega, it's good for stockholders who themselves will buy real watches.
Cheers.
http://www.timex.co.uk/product_description.aspx?pid=383&id=91
Now I just need the rottweiler and arny jacket to go with it.
Obviously most of us are far too heathen and unrefined to understand the difference.
I just bought one for my son (15) as his first mechanical, and he loves it.
Pretty good little watch at $250. This is just my opinion, if people disagree I'm OK with that, I accept that they may have a point and I don't need to be a pr#ck about it. -{
That's a nice looking watch! -{
That Hamilton is a nice little watch with design cues taken from a Vietnam era U.S. military watch. Hamilton was a storied American brand that is now owned by the Swatch Group, the same company that owns Omega. Proof, yet again, that even the big boys make homage watches and that there is nothing new under the sun in watch world. It's been going on for ages.
DG
Edit: Design cues taken from the Benrus DTU-2A/P MIL-W-3818B.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Interesting. It struck me as a 'boys' watch in that it would appeal in a military kind of way. Plus I knew if he did'nt like it, I would wear it.
Don't let our friend with the Bond watch blog hear this, DG
But you certainly have a point.
Seeing this Hamilton makes me a bit sorry having handed over the cash for my new toy recently:
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Yep. I edited my post above. Design cues taken from the Benrus DTU-2A/P MIL-W-3818B. The same watch worn by Steve McQueen in Bullitt.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Very nice Bondtoys! The pilot watch of old made new again. Enjoy big guy! I need to add one to my collection.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Nice!
It must have been in my subconscious somewhere. We were also laughing at Mathis in QoS, when he wears his Hamilton sideways to give it more face time on screen.
I was in IWC admiring the Father and Son version. Be good to yourself and your family I say.
I'll do, pops
DG if you need a good discount, just let me know
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I wonder, how many Nomos I could have purchased instead..... {:)
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Wow, what an arrogant statement. Perhaps you're just upset that you can't use other people's knowledge and research to source them cheaply and then flog them on eBay for massive profit. Understandable, I suppose.
For what it's worth, I have wanted an Omega for as long as I can remember...not because I believed it to be the best watch in the world but because I loved the way they look and I loved the connection with Bond and with the Apollo programme. I bought a second hand one about 5 years ago and absolutely love it. It never loses a single second, looks nice - in my opinion and many others based on the comments I've received for it - has a lovely weight and feel and is the most comfortable watch I have ever owned. It makes me happy every time I look at it and I imagine I will keep it for a very long time. If the quality of an item is judged on owner satisfaction (which is ultimately the only thing that matters), then my Omega is in the top three things I have ever bought.
Incidentally, I would have thought that the single most important criteria for a "real watch" would be its ability to keep perfect time. But obviously I am confused and it's got more to do with some horological elitism and general arrogance.
I love IWC. Very underestimated brand in my opinion. The Spitfire was always my favourite.
My hubby is a big watch fan and several IWC's have past through our door over the years. Always very clean and understated. Lovely.
Rolex is still his preferred choice though.
He has a good taste in watches and ladies
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