I looked at a seamaster about eight years ago and thought it looked cheap compared to my sub. I recently looked at one of the new seamasters with the liquid metal technology and it looked amazing. I don't know how anybody could either knock the build quality or use such sweeping statements. I looked at that Tag and it's nowhere near Rolex. Personal taste and budget are one thing, but it's like arguing that a Ford Mondeo is up their with a similar BMW. You are only fooling yourself.
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Obviously you guys won't change your minds, but the truth is that Omega is not a real watch
No we won't....as your argument is ridiculous...Omega isn't a real watch ? Grow up you muppet...it tells the time...that's all a watch needs to do...
I disagree. A quartz watch tells the time better than a 10,000$ automatic watch. That's not the criteria.
A real watch has a mechanism that is of value, is well finished, if possible made in-house, and the like. Not a cheap pre-made movement in a 4000$ case with fancy ads.
If you buy that, you're a real idiot. The movement inside is worth 200$.
If you'd like to learn how much your watch is worth...
I didn't say that NOMOS was incredible, but for the price, that's the best value for money, probably of all watches.
I'm not a weirdo that decided that he doesn't like Omega. This is fairly common knowledge for everyone that knows something about watches. Quality first.
Please feel free to disagree. With the strong CHF, the Swatch group shareholders sure need the extra demand. As for Rolex, it's a privately owned company, so no one knows what goes on in there.
If you can't trust a Swiss banker, what's the world come to?
Obviously you guys won't change your minds, but the truth is that Omega is not a real watch
No we won't....as your argument is ridiculous...Omega isn't a real watch ? Grow up you muppet...it tells the time...that's all a watch needs to do...
I disagree. A quartz watch tells the time better than a 10,000$ automatic watch. That's not the criteria.
A real watch has a mechanism that is of value, is well finished, if possible made in-house, and the like. Not a cheap pre-made movement in a 4000$ case with fancy ads.
If you buy that, you're a real idiot. The movement inside is worth 200$.
If you'd like to learn how much your watch is worth...
I didn't say that NOMOS was incredible, but for the price, that's the best value for money, probably of all watches.
I'm not a weirdo that decided that he doesn't like Omega. This is fairly common knowledge for everyone that knows something about watches. Quality first.
Please feel free to disagree. With the strong CHF, the Swatch group shareholders sure need the extra demand. As for Rolex, it's a privately owned company, so no one knows what goes on in there.
Well, there are an awefull lot of brands of all types of items that are expensive that don't necessarily mean you are getting the quality you are paying for. But that's capitalism isn't it? A perfect example of that is an American company that sells preppy style clothing for high prices. The clothing is good, but a large proportion of it is made in Asia. Asian made does not necessarily mean poor quality. What it means is that the clothing items are made for pennies on the dollar. So a polo shirt that costs three to five dollars to make is sold for one hundred dollars. All profit. It's also why there can be such deep discounts on sale, becausee the company can't lose. If the items were actually made in the U.S., it might be pricey because you are paying for American labor. But then it would mean less profit for the company. Don't blame the company.
For myself, I'm sort of past the whole brand thing as a status symbol. However I still like Rolex and I still like Omega. Do they cost more than the sum of their parts? Absolutely. But that's Capitalism. If you don't want to fill someone else's pockets, don't buy it.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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Obviously you guys won't change your minds, but the truth is that Omega is not a real watch
No we won't....as your argument is ridiculous...Omega isn't a real watch ? Grow up you muppet...it tells the time...that's all a watch needs to do...
I disagree. A quartz watch tells the time better than a 10,000$ automatic watch. That's not the criteria.
A real watch has a mechanism that is of value, is well finished, if possible made in-house, and the like. Not a cheap pre-made movement in a 4000$ case with fancy ads.
If you buy that, you're a real idiot. The movement inside is worth 200$.
If you'd like to learn how much your watch is worth...
I didn't say that NOMOS was incredible, but for the price, that's the best value for money, probably of all watches.
I'm not a weirdo that decided that he doesn't like Omega. This is fairly common knowledge for everyone that knows something about watches. Quality first.
Please feel free to disagree. With the strong CHF, the Swatch group shareholders sure need the extra demand. As for Rolex, it's a privately owned company, so no one knows what goes on in there.
You are paying for the brand, not the cost of materials...
Tom Ford doesn't spend more than $30 making a shirt. Burberry doesn't spend more than $5 making their t-shirts in England. Names are what the cost is for.
Sure, but then, you kind of admit that you're getting ripped off and that you have low standards for what you buy.
Not at all. For instance, I won't run out and buy the next Omega Bond watch. In fact it took me a few years to buy the Casino Royale Seamaster Planet Ocean. I thought about it for a while and decided I really wanted it. I wouldn't say ripped off either. Capitalism is about selling your goods for as much as you can. That's the game. If you think the goods are too expensive for what they are, don't buy them. It's as simple as that. In my case, I though DC's performance in Casino Royale and the new movement was worth the almost doubled price of Brosnan's blue Seamaster.
Apart from that, Rolex holds it's value very well. The coke GMT Master II that I bought in the early 90's is worth roughly what I paid for it back then if not more. Moreover, Some of the vintage Rolex pieces I own are now ridiculously expensive. High demmand with comparitively small availability causes it. That too is capitalism.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
No we won't....as your argument is ridiculous...Omega isn't a real watch ? Grow up you muppet...it tells the time...that's all a watch needs to do...
I disagree. A quartz watch tells the time better than a 10,000$ automatic watch. That's not the criteria.
A real watch has a mechanism that is of value, is well finished, if possible made in-house, and the like. Not a cheap pre-made movement in a 4000$ case with fancy ads.
If you buy that, you're a real idiot. The movement inside is worth 200$.
If you'd like to learn how much your watch is worth...
I didn't say that NOMOS was incredible, but for the price, that's the best value for money, probably of all watches.
I'm not a weirdo that decided that he doesn't like Omega. This is fairly common knowledge for everyone that knows something about watches. Quality first.
Please feel free to disagree. With the strong CHF, the Swatch group shareholders sure need the extra demand. As for Rolex, it's a privately owned company, so no one knows what goes on in there.
You are paying for the brand, not the cost of materials...
Tom Ford doesn't spend more than $30 making a shirt. Burberry doesn't spend more than $5 making their t-shirts in England. Names are what the cost is for.
I agree. Unless you buy something that is of value, ie. (for clothing) made in England, France or Italy, where you know that at least it was made by someone paid 10$ an hour instead of 1$.
Same thing for the watches, but different criteria.
DG : Some Rolex hold their value, but not all, and Rolex, as I said, isn't bad, because, among other things, it is made in-house.
If you can't trust a Swiss banker, what's the world come to?
I disagree. A quartz watch tells the time better than a 10,000$ automatic watch. That's not the criteria.
A real watch has a mechanism that is of value, is well finished, if possible made in-house, and the like. Not a cheap pre-made movement in a 4000$ case with fancy ads.
If you buy that, you're a real idiot. The movement inside is worth 200$.
If you'd like to learn how much your watch is worth...
I didn't say that NOMOS was incredible, but for the price, that's the best value for money, probably of all watches.
I'm not a weirdo that decided that he doesn't like Omega. This is fairly common knowledge for everyone that knows something about watches. Quality first.
Please feel free to disagree. With the strong CHF, the Swatch group shareholders sure need the extra demand. As for Rolex, it's a privately owned company, so no one knows what goes on in there.
You are paying for the brand, not the cost of materials...
Tom Ford doesn't spend more than $30 making a shirt. Burberry doesn't spend more than $5 making their t-shirts in England. Names are what the cost is for.
I agree. Unless you buy something that is of value, ie. (for clothing) made in England, France or Italy, where you know that at least it was made by someone paid 10$ an hour instead of 1$.
Same thing for the watches, but different criteria.
DG : Some Rolex hold their value, but not all, and Rolex, as I said, isn't bad, because, among other things, it is made in-house.
They are in house today because Rolex finally bought the companies that made the movements and dials. But it was not always so.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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If you buy that, you're a real idiot. The movement inside is worth 200$.
And the 'quotes' you use - again, you seem very reticent about naming actual names - a sure sign that you have no idea what you are on about - show you to be the idiot. As others have pointed out to you.
I agree. Unless you buy something that is of value, ie. (for clothing) made in England, France or Italy, where you know that at least it was made by someone paid 10$ an hour instead of 1$.
Now clothes.....totally different subject....and the mark up is far greater than hinted at here...football shirts cost £1 to make...and retail at £39.99 at least....
Nice one tout, You've just labeled anyone who's bought an omega as an idiot. I'm betting that's the majority of the forum membership, what's next, declaring any james bond fan is a dickhead?
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For what its worth, if I could buy a £1000 watch, I wouldn't. I'd be too scared to take it out of the box! - Those who do and can, are brave in my book, and fortunate to afford such things. - I apply this perspective to good designer clothing, computers, dress accessories (glasses, gloves, hats, umbrellas jewellery,) and luxury vehicles.
As a result, this is the road I went down. Its a watch I both like and have found extremely reliable. If and when it conks out, I'll search to get another the same. - If neccesary. It may not be a watch any of the Bond's have worn, but its right for me.
Thunderbird 2 - I can relate to you in a round about way and yes I agree anybody who can afford such things are fortunate, I think most here are fortunate including myself!! Years ago I could only dream of such things and remember when I was a lot younger dreaming at a jewelers window-shop looking at the Brosnan Omega Seamaster - drooling!!
Anyhow fast forward 15 or so years I recently had a fantastic year at work and bought a Submariner to replace my Seamaster (believe me this is a decision I didn't take lightly and my wife still gives me grief). My Seamaster was the Casino Royale Co-Axial automatic film used version and I got a fantastic deal over at TMZ forum where I traded my first gen Apple iPad which was about a year old and about 450 quid of cash hence at the time it didn't hurt me too much ££!! I loved the damn thing dearly however I became infected with the dreaded watch bug and I although I loved it, I sort of had a feeling that I wasn't 100% bonded (excuse the pun) with the thing as I never bought it from new (me being very anal here!!)
Anyhow I do share some of your worries however firstly this watch will out live me, I have had many "normal" watches in the past but this could be my last unless I become a collector or something!!!!! However I did have many other concerns like you mentioned above!! Fortunately there is no theft where I live (we even leave the keys in our car and most people their houses unlocked hence I'm fortunate in that regard) The thought of a scratch REALLY bothers me or rather did bother!! I have always been a person who likes to keep my possessions immaculate, always amazed by people who say chuck there notebooks, iPads etc into a rucksack with a zillion other objects clunking around!!!
Anyhow my watch arrived, beautiful, infact more then I expected - after my first week I had a few hairline scratches on my bracelet (clunked it a few times on restaurant table), the first scratch hurts you the most lol and although I of course knew it was coming, it pissed me off for days! Last year I got a new car, first few weeks whilst parked up - some numpty smacked his door onto mine at a parking bay (that hurt but prob the scratch on my Sub hurt more ) ) Anyhow after that it becomes part of the watch and you get over it soon. I really have to hold it at a certain angle into the sunlight to see them, but glancing at my wrist it looks brand new. You sort of have to get into the mindset that this is a "tool" watch, it is rugged and built to be used not to be babied!! They take a hell of a beating!!!
Anyhow after 5 -10 years (depending on owner) a service will restore the thing to looking like brand new - immaculate!!! My friends Seamaster came back pristine!!! Many people however prefer the scratches etc and request them to be left alone and only the movement serviced!! Of course the service comes at a price too however the watch will always be supported in the next zillion years!!
Anyhow like you said, you can always replace a watch with another new one for a zillionth of the price of an Omega and Rolex. People who have these luxury items are very fortunate and also crazy!! I always argue with my missus that if I'm ever skint or in a tight situation i could prob get 3K on the spot for my watch in 10 years time and if I kept it in the bank I would prob just spend it down the pub over a few years - however she is not convinced as the money is not being spent on her )
Anyhow I guess these things are called luxury for a reason!! Do we need them?? Hell no. Could we spend our money on better things - most likely! However I must admit they are quite nice and its more about personal satisfaction to me then anything else and i certainly dont look down on other watches, however to say an Omega is crap is beyond me however I will agree that all luxury watches are overpriced just like iPhones, iPads, MacBooks etc and are a small % of retail to make )
I like your argument that if you kept the money you would spend it in pubs. Might borrow that at some point.
Its very very true though!!
Before my two children were born I was down the pub Friday, Saturday and Wednesday every week!!!! Add that up over a year and I have been doing it since I was 18!! At least you keep the watch unfortunately not the beer / vodka / scotch -{
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Oh yes the Casio has scratches on it, which was annoying at first, now I see them as markers of the fact it's my watch. Also - ironically, I have been humming and hawing over the idea of the tablet as soon as I can afford one!
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There something about the perfection of every detail that the draws the eye, and which the eye appreciates. Rarely, if ever, do we gaze upon anything man made which is as close to perfection.
Dont wait for your ship to come in. Swim out and meet the bloody thing.
the problem with the recent Patek manual winding watches is, that the movement is really small in diameter 21.9 mm).
It has been created in a decade, where watches where significantly smaller.
To fit to a recent case size (37 mm), they use "movement rings" to fill out the gap.
I am still saving cash for this:
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My problem though is that I wouldn't want to buy a watch that's too complicated either because then it becomes dangerous to wear it. A watch like that is more or less the more complicated I would go.
If you can't trust a Swiss banker, what's the world come to?
I think there are many models of watches that could be suitable for 007, but Jeffrey Deaver says in carte blanche, that the only extra you have in your watch is the date window.
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No we won't....as your argument is ridiculous...Omega isn't a real watch ? Grow up you muppet...it tells the time...that's all a watch needs to do...
I disagree. A quartz watch tells the time better than a 10,000$ automatic watch. That's not the criteria.
A real watch has a mechanism that is of value, is well finished, if possible made in-house, and the like. Not a cheap pre-made movement in a 4000$ case with fancy ads.
If you buy that, you're a real idiot. The movement inside is worth 200$.
http://www.ofrei.com/page_183.html
If you'd like to learn how much your watch is worth...
I didn't say that NOMOS was incredible, but for the price, that's the best value for money, probably of all watches.
I'm not a weirdo that decided that he doesn't like Omega. This is fairly common knowledge for everyone that knows something about watches. Quality first.
Please feel free to disagree. With the strong CHF, the Swatch group shareholders sure need the extra demand. As for Rolex, it's a privately owned company, so no one knows what goes on in there.
Now that's a wrist watch.
Well, there are an awefull lot of brands of all types of items that are expensive that don't necessarily mean you are getting the quality you are paying for. But that's capitalism isn't it? A perfect example of that is an American company that sells preppy style clothing for high prices. The clothing is good, but a large proportion of it is made in Asia. Asian made does not necessarily mean poor quality. What it means is that the clothing items are made for pennies on the dollar. So a polo shirt that costs three to five dollars to make is sold for one hundred dollars. All profit. It's also why there can be such deep discounts on sale, becausee the company can't lose. If the items were actually made in the U.S., it might be pricey because you are paying for American labor. But then it would mean less profit for the company. Don't blame the company.
For myself, I'm sort of past the whole brand thing as a status symbol. However I still like Rolex and I still like Omega. Do they cost more than the sum of their parts? Absolutely. But that's Capitalism. If you don't want to fill someone else's pockets, don't buy it.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
You are paying for the brand, not the cost of materials...
Tom Ford doesn't spend more than $30 making a shirt. Burberry doesn't spend more than $5 making their t-shirts in England. Names are what the cost is for.
Not at all. For instance, I won't run out and buy the next Omega Bond watch. In fact it took me a few years to buy the Casino Royale Seamaster Planet Ocean. I thought about it for a while and decided I really wanted it. I wouldn't say ripped off either. Capitalism is about selling your goods for as much as you can. That's the game. If you think the goods are too expensive for what they are, don't buy them. It's as simple as that. In my case, I though DC's performance in Casino Royale and the new movement was worth the almost doubled price of Brosnan's blue Seamaster.
Apart from that, Rolex holds it's value very well. The coke GMT Master II that I bought in the early 90's is worth roughly what I paid for it back then if not more. Moreover, Some of the vintage Rolex pieces I own are now ridiculously expensive. High demmand with comparitively small availability causes it. That too is capitalism.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
I agree. Unless you buy something that is of value, ie. (for clothing) made in England, France or Italy, where you know that at least it was made by someone paid 10$ an hour instead of 1$.
Same thing for the watches, but different criteria.
DG : Some Rolex hold their value, but not all, and Rolex, as I said, isn't bad, because, among other things, it is made in-house.
They are in house today because Rolex finally bought the companies that made the movements and dials. But it was not always so.
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
The criteria is that a watch should tell the time...period ! I can't believe you say it isn't ?:)
And the 'quotes' you use - again, you seem very reticent about naming actual names - a sure sign that you have no idea what you are on about - show you to be the idiot. As others have pointed out to you.
Now clothes.....totally different subject....and the mark up is far greater than hinted at here...football shirts cost £1 to make...and retail at £39.99 at least....
Of course they do...and I was quite happy when I was offered £4000 for my CR Omega LE...a healthy profit !
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As a result, this is the road I went down. Its a watch I both like and have found extremely reliable. If and when it conks out, I'll search to get another the same. - If neccesary. It may not be a watch any of the Bond's have worn, but its right for me.
http://edscorner1.blogspot.com/2007/11/casio-super-illuminator-review.html
(This blog is nothing to do with me, but the chap it belongs to has hit the nail on the head!)
Anyhow fast forward 15 or so years
Anyhow I do share some of your worries however firstly this watch will out live me, I have had many "normal" watches in the past but this could be my last unless I become a collector or something!!!!! However I did have many other concerns like you mentioned above!! Fortunately there is no theft where I live (we even leave the keys in our car and most people their houses unlocked hence I'm fortunate in that regard) The thought of a scratch REALLY bothers me or rather did bother!! I have always been a person who likes to keep my possessions immaculate, always amazed by people who say chuck there notebooks, iPads etc into a rucksack with a zillion other objects clunking around!!!
Anyhow my watch arrived, beautiful, infact more then I expected - after my first week I had a few hairline scratches on my bracelet (clunked it a few times on restaurant table), the first scratch hurts you the most lol and although I of course knew it was coming, it pissed me off for days! Last year I got a new car, first few weeks whilst parked up - some numpty smacked his door onto mine at a parking bay (that hurt but prob the scratch on my Sub hurt more
Anyhow after 5 -10 years (depending on owner) a service will restore the thing to looking like brand new - immaculate!!! My friends Seamaster came back pristine!!! Many people however prefer the scratches etc and request them to be left alone and only the movement serviced!! Of course the service comes at a price too however the watch will always be supported in the next zillion years!!
Anyhow like you said, you can always replace a watch with another new one for a zillionth of the price of an Omega and Rolex. People who have these luxury items are very fortunate and also crazy!! I always argue with my missus that if I'm ever skint or in a tight situation i could prob get 3K on the spot for my watch in 10 years time and if I kept it in the bank I would prob just spend it down the pub over a few years - however she is not convinced as the money is not being spent on her
Anyhow I guess these things are called luxury for a reason!! Do we need them?? Hell no. Could we spend our money on better things - most likely! However I must admit they are quite nice and its more about personal satisfaction to me then anything else and i certainly dont look down on other watches, however to say an Omega is crap is beyond me however I will agree that all luxury watches are overpriced just like iPhones, iPads, MacBooks etc and are a small % of retail to make
Its very very true though!!
Before my two children were born I was down the pub Friday, Saturday and Wednesday every week!!!! Add that up over a year and I have been doing it since I was 18!! At least you keep the watch unfortunately not the beer / vodka / scotch -{
I think that is OK.
That is the watch I like.
Or this.
There something about the perfection of every detail that the draws the eye, and which the eye appreciates. Rarely, if ever, do we gaze upon anything man made which is as close to perfection.
It has been created in a decade, where watches where significantly smaller.
To fit to a recent case size (37 mm), they use "movement rings" to fill out the gap.
I am still saving cash for this:
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Datograph.. pretty incredible watch.
My problem though is that I wouldn't want to buy a watch that's too complicated either because then it becomes dangerous to wear it. A watch like that is more or less the more complicated I would go.
I guess, that he fell into the Jamesbondwatchesbullocks.com trap
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!