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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    cheld wrote:
    The US does seem to be on the brink of getting into a war in the Middle East.

    "On the brink"? Obama's bombed more ME countries than even W did.
    Are you thinking number of individual sites as opposed to total deaths or explosive tonnage?
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    I think he means the number of countries bombed by Obama: Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan. As far as I know Bush bombed Iraq and Afghanistan, possibly Pakistan.


    Also, I think most of the GOP candidates seem comparatively sane. I would say Trump, Cruz and Carson would give me sleepless nights.
  • Agent PurpleAgent Purple Posts: 857MI6 Agent
    I'm aware that the Obama Adm. has carried out drone strikes.

    I'm not sure how many countries have been bombed under Obama.

    But I was talking about getting into a large-scale war in the ME.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:

    Also, I think most of the GOP candidates seem comparatively sane. I would say Trump, Cruz and Carson would give me sleepless nights.
    Did you mean INsane? :))
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Number24 wrote:
    Also, I think most of the GOP candidates seem comparatively sane. I would say Trump, Cruz and Carson would give me sleepless nights.

    I haven't had a good night's sleep since 2008. You get used to it ;)
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Also, I think most of the GOP candidates seem comparatively sane. I would say Trump, Cruz and Carson would give me sleepless nights.

    I haven't had a good night's sleep since 2008. You get used to it ;)


    This explains a lot :D
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    As if it were a mystery! :007)
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    The last good President we had was Barry Goldwater.

    wait... he was never President... lack of sleep is making me psychotic....
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    As an observer, I think most candidates say what they think their voters
    Want to hear, but if elected they'll tone down the claims.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    it's not very surprising that Clinton and Sanders finally really attacked each other after Iowa, or at least Clinton did. Iowa made it very clear she really could loose to Bernie.

    It was a relief to me that this election woun't be Clinton vs Bush. There is still a high probability that Clinton will be nominated, but the question is more of now when Jeb Bush will give up.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    As an observer, I think most candidates say what they think their voters
    Want to hear, but if elected they'll tone down the claims.
    Which is why I love Bernie Sanders- he walks his talk, always has, and never got bought. He's a veritable diamond in a mountain of clay.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    chrisisall wrote:
    As an observer, I think most candidates say what they think their voters
    Want to hear, but if elected they'll tone down the claims.
    Which is why I love Bernie Sanders- he walks his talk, always has, and never got bought. He's a veritable diamond in a mountain of clay.

    I admire his honesty. He's a socialist, and makes no bones about it. I sincerely hope he gets the nomination.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    A Star Trek-type socialism is the only way out of this mess IMO. Rich people should be the ones with the most toys, not the most say in government.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    I haven't seen enough Star Trek to know their brand of socialism, so I can't really get behind it. But I suspect part of the reason Sanders is so popular with younger voters is that they are too young to remember the cold war. During the cold war the socialist were seen as representing the enemy (here in Europe we narrowed it down to the communists), but young people have never had a far left enemy (no, Obama doesn't count :D ), not even China is really communist anymore. Instead many worry about the gap between the rich and poor and the vanishing middle class, the cost of education and healtcare etc. Bernie Sanders would not stand a chance in the 1980's.


    BTV: when was the last time the US had a president with glasses? Or with all-white hair at the time of election? Or with a regional dialect so strong even foreigners notice?
    I really want to know :)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I haven't seen enough Star Trek to know their brand of socialism,
    *GASP* You need to see the original 60's TV series, my friend!
    Socialism in the 23rd Century is that everyone has the right to live, eat & reside somewhere. Work is to afford luxuries. Basically.

    BTV: when was the last time the US had a president with glasses? Or with all-white hair at the time of election? Or with a regional dialect so strong even foreigners notice?
    I really want to know :)
    Carter & Clinton both had noticeable southern accents, the Bushes had strong Texan accents. Time for a good old New Yawk accent!
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    A lack of knowledge of history (and history fraudulently presented to today's youth) is crucial to the success of the modern socialist aspirant.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    A lack of knowledge of history (and history fraudulently presented to today's youth) is crucial to the success of the modern socialist aspirant.
    Totally agree. {[]
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    I disagree. If you had written 'communism' I would be aboard 100%. That ideology is oppressive, bloody and vile. But socialism spans everything from Josef Stalin to Tony Blair. From countries people risk their lives to get out of (East Germany, Cuba etc) to countries people risk their lives to get in to (Sweden, Germany etc).
    I don't think there is much accurate history that would scare most young people away from social democracy.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    'Socialist' ist the most often abused term in US politics.

    It contains 'social' and can have very good sides but the more Conservatives connect it with communism - by ignorance or purpose
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I don't think there is much accurate history that would scare most young people away from social democracy.
    Oh, I didn't mean we need to scare people away, just that a good knowledge of history is an absolute necessity for avoiding repetition of mistakes.
    In fact, every democracy is a social democracy- it's just to what level is the socialist part is incorporated. Do we care for each other as we would like to be cared for ourselves, or are we all animals in the jungle just here to take what we need (or merely want)?
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Oh, I didn't mean we need to scare people away, just that a good knowledge of history is an absolute necessity for avoiding repetition of mistakes.
    In fact, every democracy is a social democracy- it's just to what level is the socialist part is incorporated. Do we care for each other as we would like to be cared for ourselves, or are we all animals in the jungle just here to take what we need (or merely want)?

    Yep - we are showing our real character when people in need are knocking on our doors
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Oh, I didn't mean we need to scare people away, just that a good knowledge of history is an absolute necessity for avoiding repetition of mistakes.
    In fact, every democracy is a social democracy- it's just to what level is the socialist part is incorporated. Do we care for each other as we would like to be cared for ourselves, or are we all animals in the jungle just here to take what we need (or merely want)?

    Yep - we are showing our real character when people in need are knocking on our doors
    And when we (the U.S.) throw out enough food on a daily basis to feed all the really hungry people on Earth, you KNOW we can do so much better than we do...
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    I don't think there is much accurate history that would scare most young people away from social democracy.
    Oh, I didn't mean we need to scare people away, just that a good knowledge of history is an absolute necessity for avoiding repetition of mistakes.
    In fact, every democracy is a social democracy- it's just to what level is the socialist part is incorporated. Do we care for each other as we would like to be cared for ourselves, or are we all animals in the jungle just here to take what we need (or merely want)?

    No, but I got the sense that you and Loeffelholz think socialism is dependent on ignorance or false history to succeed. I think social democracy is less dependent on that than most other systems.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    The difference between communism and socialism is the difference between murder and suicide.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    "That suicide is painless
    It brings on many changes
    And I can take or leave it if I please." :)

    You see, socialism and communism are like fingers and thumbs: all communists are socialist, but not all socialists are communists.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I got the sense that you and Loeffelholz think socialism is dependent on ignorance or false history to succeed.
    On the contrary, I think a working socialistic democracy requires an educated populace. Which is why they work so hard to dumb us down in my country. Divide the populace & conquer. Educate the populace and they unite in their common interests (the rich mostly hate that..).
    Thing is, there's a kind of limit how rich you can be in a world that's fair; you can REALLY clean up when anything goes though (de & non-reulation).
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    " World socialism will be achieved Peacefully, sit down ! Both of YOU ! " ;)
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    edited February 2016
    God damn hippies !

    On a political point. I do find it funny that even though we are in the 21st
    Century, with TV coverage, internet and other various media. Political
    Parties still feel the need to have their candidate, travel all over the country
    Shaking hands ( although not kissing babies, these days )
    Even over here, one of our local political parties tried to stop the use of posters
    On street lamps etc, but sadly none of the other parties wanted to play along.
    So now we're going to have half a dozen posters of various grinning idiots all
    Over the place for months. :#
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    God damn hippies !

    On a political point. I do find it funny that even though we are in the 21st
    Century, with TV coverage, internet and other various media. Political
    Parties still feel the need to have their candidate, travel all over the country
    Shaking hands ( although not kissing babies, these days )
    Even over here, one of our local political parties tried to stop the use of posters
    On street lamps etc, but sadly none of the other parties wanted to play along.
    So now we're going to have half a dozen posters of various grinning idiots all
    Over the place for months. :#
    Yeah, it's no different from selling fashions or condoms.
    If you look good and seem safe, you're in like Flint.
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