if you want a decent cheap alternative to st.dupont i recommend this
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Neu-Luxus-S-dubtnt-Black-007-Lighters-145g-/160753187892?pt=UK_Collectables_Tobacciana_Smoking_LE&hash=item256da2fc344
other then fitting the flint which is a pain this is a lovely lighter nice weight and just speaks class it gets me alot of attention when i use it especially combined with a nice tux and a beautiful cigarette case
other then fitting the flint which is a pain this is a lovely lighter nice weight and just speaks class it gets me alot of attention when i use it especially combined with a nice tux and a beautiful cigarette case
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There is nothing "lovely" or "nice" about a copunterfeit item like this!
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they are cheap
they are not exactly crap
but they are certainly illegal with the 007 logo
Ultimately they fool no one only the owner is trying to fool everyone else
BUT
It seems to me that a large number of the members on here enjoy the dressing up aspect of Bond.
If you cannot stretch to the high prices of the sponsorship con then why not looky likees ?
Replica props are just that - no more official than a home made item other than some money has been paid to the licensee.
Keep it fun otherwise its just an expensive checklist
Funny thing is that if someone copied the clothes of Daniel Craig in a Bond film 99.99999% of the population would not know that, most would not care but the wearer will be allowed a wry smile pretending to be 007!!
Keep it Fun
its not crap its just another company there are different places that make the same designs. and unless you own it you wouldn't know if its lovely or nice. end of the day they have been selling them for a few years and ebay come down pretty hard on items if they break the law and this isn't. its a replica same as you get replica walther from umerax. otherwise your saying so much of the bond stuff is horrible because it is not licensed if we only had licensed bond stuf you'd have no tux no QoS jacket, no camille driving license among other things
Is it illegal? I thought eBay stopped illegal auctions? It does look to be a counterfeit item but then a lot of items people sell could be considered counterfeit if they're trying to copy/re-produce something else.
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Here is where I draw the line:
It is ok imho to replicate the style of a Lacoste Poloshirt. The fun ends to me, when someone puts a croco label on.
However, even without the label, I would not buy such thing!
These fake Dupont lighters are illegal, blatant and just poor taste.
If you import them to the UK or any other european country (I assume also the US), it will be confiscated by the custom's office.
As a general advise: You'll be buying cheap look-alike items that will never reach the quality of the real deal. You may tell me your budget is not high enough to afford the real thing.
Think again as every $ that you spend on junk is wasted.
And I honestly still don't see the point for flogging this lighter crap here on the board. It's not a screen seen item copy or replica - it simply pointless crap supporting some very shady organizations in Asia.
My 2 cents.
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It is illegal and I have reported it.
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Whats the difference between that item and some of the replicas you sell? Yours are re-productions and not officially licensed right? I don't want an arguement - I'm simply asking the question?
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Your access cards, ring, bug detectors, etc.? Whether they're good or not I'm just looking at this from a legal perspective. For example your 'Bug Detector as seen in *From Russia with love*' and your 'Spectre Ring as seen in Thunderball'? Are they licensed? I assume they are?
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This lighter has the 007 (TM) logo on it, sod the fact it looks like a DuPont, it doesn't say DuPont but it does say 007 (TM).
Que Barbara & Michael's legal team ....... speed ..... sound ..... and ACTION
And just to save Markus typing, how can the FRWL Bug Detector be an infringement, if you knew what it was you wouldn't have made such a crass statement. Sorry you can't sell that Aston Martin because one just like it was once seen in a Bond film
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As FE is now making the Spectre ring, I'll remove it - it's sold long time ago anyway...
The main difference between my items and these fakes are, that
1. nobody currently produces an official GE access card.
2. My replica are not mass-produced by asian mafia circles
3. my replica are not branded in any way
and last: My replica models are static models.
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The lighter has a trademarked logo on it. It wouldn't matter what the item was, replica or no, it's illegal.
That is indeed another story....and, for clarification, that thread was NOT closed primarily for copyright infringement...the whole subject of copyright infringement followed on from that...and it's difficult to know where to draw the line.
As for the initial subject of this thread...I'm not sure where AJB stands...apart from being 100% against illegal items...the item is not being being offered for sale here, so that can murky the waters further...
AJB is looking into the whole copyright area and it's VERY difficult to know where to draw the line...any advice is greatly received on this subject...just send either Si or a MOD a PM...
For now, as the item isn't being sold here, I'll leave it open...but it be closed at any time and removed.
I agree entirely. All these replicas are, technically, illegal.
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That isn't what I said. What makes the lighter illegal is that it has the 007 logo on it. Other replica items are fine as long as they don't slap the 007 on it.
I would have hoped, that it was clear from my previous post:
If there exists a legitimate licenced or branded item, it's not ok to sell an unlicenced replica.
That's why I'll remove the Spectre ring.
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And it also seems to make replicas, but I understand people who do, because not everyone can pay Euros 600 for a lighter, or E 200 for a shirt
Additionally, ST Dupont has a © on the design and it's company name.
Also the design of their packaging is ripped off there.
Naming your fake company in a similar way may sound smart, but it's still illegal.
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Your statement isn't correct. This URL is a good resource.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Consumerrights/Yourconsumerrightswhenbuyinggoodsandservices/DG_194549
An excerpt - "Fake goods are copies of things that people want to buy" - as you see, the item doesn't have to have a name on it. I'm certainly not trying to cause provocation but we're seeing a lot of posts on AJB about counterfeit items at the moment and the law is quite clear in my opinion.
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Sorry, but that's a not-ok shortage of the text.
If it would be like this, even licenced replica would be fakes by that definition.
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As I wrote it's a word for word excerpt from an offical UK Government page. I've not edited or shortened it in anyway at all. At the end of the day this link is worth bearing in mind.
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I think this sums it up nicely
http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=5f6fa108-2d63-45f4-9c3e-bf4eec57c1b2
There should be nothing to stop our talented propmakers on this board from making their wonderful items as long as they don't apply any trade marks to them. A perfect example would be a Goldeneye Mine, as seen on screen fine. Put a 007 (TM) Logo anywhere on it and you fall foul of the law. Simples (I know it's not as simple as that but it serves as a good example as does my earlier slightly frivolous example of the Aston Martin)
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Why do you keep mentioning "shady organizations in Asia" or "asian mafia circles"?
Do you have any proof of that?
Your wife is Asian. I am Asian.
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The most complex area is when a fake is sold as an original - no one buying a Rolex for 50 quid is thinking they have bought an original. Would the buyers of these watches ever buy a full priced original - possibly not. It does however display desire for the brand!
I have a fake Rolex on a shop display - I wear my original date sub everyday. I like the display but see no reason to add a 3000 pound watch to it as the display has relatively little vaue.
I have seen many people discussing watches on here that look exactly like submariners. There can be little doubt that the only difference between one of these legal watches and a full out fake is the logo - to clarify they both are trying to' take advantage of a design that is not registered to them - all watches tell the time and therefore anything that is manufactured to look like something else has something else in mind.....
Do I mind - no - but there is a scale of fraud that should be considered.
Hello Kan,
I was just referring to the fact, that most of these fakes (like lighters, watches and clothing) are made in Asia and that's a highly organized business.
The organized crime took over most of the steps of that business.
I did not mean to generalize it to all asian people, sorry if I offended anyone.
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