Anyone Prefer the P99?

ZorinIndustries

Is there anyone out there who prefers the Walther P99 of the recent films to the traditional Walther PPK?

minigeff

As iconic classic bond, ppk every time.

As loading a clip, letting the slide go n looking mean, p99 is a winner.

That said, the pre 2004 p99's are much better looking than the current model, whereas the ppk has always looked good.

Mr Beech

I like them both.

Turnkey

I think he should use either gun as he needs them like in Benson's books. CDNN sports has the P99QA pistol for sale for $439.00. Thinking about picking one up.

oscar rubio

ZorinIndustries wrote:

Is there anyone out there who prefers the Walther P99 of the recent films to the traditional Walther PPK?

I love two,bur I prefer the p99

spy009

ZorinIndustries wrote:

Is there anyone out there who prefers the Walther P99 of the recent films to the traditional Walther PPK?

I own both the P99 and the PPK,Ifeel the P99 is more comfortable to shoot but the PPK is easier to conceal..

SilentSpy

I love the small nature of the PPK. It is a spy's gun. But it is a small gun for today's world. Someone once told me it is best used as a backup gun...I like the P99 but I prefer the design of the Beretta Px4 Storm.

thesecretagent

I like the PPK better. I use to own one, and loved it. I've used and carried them in service also. I like the look of the P99, but didn't go much on it when I used a couple on the range. Much prefer the Sig P225/6, Glock 17/19 - hell, even the Browning Hi-power...
The P99 does look the part though, especially with a good suppressor.

oscar rubio

the ppk is good in the first movie, but it's time to change, no?
Furthermore, from TND has pewter using the P99, that change now??

CmdrAtticus

I've a friend who owns a PPK. Its a fact it doesn't have the stopping power of larger calibres, but then again, the whole point of a spy like Bond is trading that off for concealment. He started out with a small Beretta. Unlike how he's been portrayed in the modern films, he was not supposed to be like a bodyguard or commando (though he's trained for it), but a spy. Spies only carry a piece as a sort of last resort - a backup defense tool. Yes, Bond is a unique spy in that he is a 00 and that makes him not only a spy but an assassin (even sniper at times), but his main function is as a spy. My friend says that he likes the old PPK because the overall design (having the more rounded profile than the square flat modern pistols) makes it easier to conceal and even draw. They are pretty accurate for a small pistol as well, though they're main function is for combat within a small area.

thesecretagent

I think the PPK is one of the most accurate close range pistols there is. Its low recoil adds to its accuracy for repeated shots. It's really concealable due to its thin profile and single stack magazine. Stopping power is always talked about, but you'd flinch like hell if someone pointed it at your face...

oscar rubio

But it is more efficient, has more bullets and caliber is higher in the P99, but if that is too large and to admit

Thunderpussy

Thought it was time for a" spot the Gun " Competition.

ZorinIndustries

Thunderpussy wrote:

Thought it was time for a" spot the Gun " Competition.

Hehehe )

Kwisatz

When the P99 came out and the movies introduced it, there was no really compact Walther besides the classic "metal" pocket pistols from them.
The P99 was never meant for real deep concealment.

Today, there are many lightweight micro 380s and 9mms on the market.
Kahr, Kimber, Ruger, Walther, whatever.

Bond or Craig is laughable with that (.32 ???) PPK on his side.
A blowback handgun is never as reliable as a locked breech pistol, anyway.
The PPK startles at the least bit of dirt, has no solid backstrap, cruel DoubleAction trigger pull.
Benson got it right with the 9mm ASP.

Give Bond a compact Kahr these days, it need not be a Walther...
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/combat-handguns/kahr-cm9-9mm/

Thunderpussy

I think Benson gave Bond back the PPK, J Gardner gave him the ASP.
Then again I've only just Found Out Glen Cambell directed a Bond. )

thesecretagent

Kwisatz wrote:

When the P99 came out and the movies introduced it, there was no really compact Walther besides the classic "metal" pocket pistols from them.
The P99 was never meant for real deep concealment.

Today, there are many lightweight micro 380s and 9mms on the market.
Kahr, Kimber, Ruger, Walther, whatever.

Bond or Craig is laughable with that (.32 ???) PPK on his side.
A blowback handgun is never as reliable as a locked breech pistol, anyway.
The PPK startles at the least bit of dirt, has no solid backstrap, cruel DoubleAction trigger pull.
Benson got it right with the 9mm ASP.

Give Bond a compact Kahr these days, it need not be a Walther...
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/combat-handguns/kahr-cm9-9mm/

Some good points. But name a weapon that fires silky smooth and light on the first double action pull. That's why in the real world Glocks are so perfect. No terrible first shot. The Beretta 92 models are ten times worse than the ppk on double action for example. And I've fired pretty gritted and dirtied ppk's without any trouble with working parts - that's one of their best qualities. With you on the ASP 9mm - a much better proposition than anything else given Bond's remit.

Kwisatz

Sorry, I mixed up Benson and Gardner on the ASP. He even gave him the VP70 chunk in a book...

I like DA in general and think that SIGs and 3rd Gen (or later) S&Ws have very, very reasonable DA pulls, my CZ75 from 1976 is also great. With a guy like Bond, even a tricked-out compact 1911 might be thinkable. I´d really love to see a custom movie gun on a movie hero, one that is not available to the general market.

thesecretagent

A custom 1911 compact would fit the bill perfectly. Especially with molded rubber grips and a guttersnipe sight. -{

Love the cz75. Owned one for a while, just a decent no-nonsense tool.

CJ007Goldeneye

I think both are iconic and he should use the P99 which is a proper 9mm handgun. Lets face it with a 7.62mm the walther ppk is a bit of a girls gun he should still use it but as his back up weapon strapped to his leg.

walther p99

the P99 used to be my fav of the two, but as of recently its the PPK, its just the perfect handgun for Bond, its been his trusty side-arm for 50 years(mostly) and even though its slightly ludicrous that Bond's still carrying it in 2012,like the aston martin and martini's shaken not stirred, its more about tradition then round capacity and power, its an iconic part of his image. furthermore, Bond is an expert marksman and usually acquires enemy weapons anyway. and other then the end gun-fight in TNDs and in the parkour chase in CR, the P99 just seemed out of place and too big for Bonds occupation, especially Brosnan.

7289

When it comes to Bond's handgun IT'S ALL ABOUT TRADITION! He's not a real world secret agent.

xxxx

The minute Bond blew up the tanks at the end of the chase in madagascar my first thought was if he had a ppk
there would be no way the bullet would have gone through the gas tank.

thesecretagent

xxxx wrote:

The minute Bond blew up the tanks at the end of the chase in madagascar my first thought was if he had a ppk
there would be no way the bullet would have gone through the gas tank.

No way a 9mm would either.

Infact, I've tried it with a .44 magnum, fired through a Marlin underlever carbine (and with a 22" barrel at that) and it didn't penetrate. Just left a hell of a dent. A .30-06 round went straight through both sides however!

(This was an empty tank)

Kwisatz

It would take full auto massive tracer rifle rounds to do that and some good luck.
But movie scenes like that define the massive fear that "common" people generate on firearms.
Like pump action shotguns blasting people meters away from where they stood as if hit by an SUV at full speed.
We really have to think "out of the box" in this regard, as people not "in the know" have a completely different grasp of reality.

thesecretagent

It's like searching a building for armed suspects. A cop or agent sweeps through from room to room, clearing and moving on. In realiity they would be gunned down the moment they swung in through the doorway. It's a tentative process where you "creep and peep", sighting the weapon carefully, edging your way hoping not to get shot - just too plain slow and boring for the filmscreen!