Actually it was minigeff's anecdote, seeing as you must know. About how everyone thought his schoolmaster was nuts back in the day. Next thing we know, the teacher is telling us how the cloud is talking to the sun... sounds pretty nuts to me.
Holy Crap, TP!!! I very rarely check out the Off Topic chats, so I'm just now seeing this. Blaming us lawyers, huh? Well that's alright. I'm not a criminal lawyer, I'm a real estate finance attorney (almost as vilified as criminal lawyers in the U.S.these days!) Anyway, somebody has to take on the job of defending criminals. I'm just glad it's not me! :007)
There was a case recently Of a shopkeeper who took on a robber, The shopkeeper had several shots fired at him
all he had to defend himself was the pole for opening the shops shuttering. He poked the robber with it to try and
get him out of his shop. When asked by a reporter why he hadn't hit the robber over the head with the pole the shopkeeper answered that HE didn't want to end up charger with Assaulting the robber.
That's how screwed the law now is, even home owners are affraid of defending themselves as THEY could be charged
with assault.
I honestly don't care about prisoner rehabilitation, we are all given a set of rules to live by those who choose to break them should be punished, Crime is a choice.
Personaly I blame all these Attorneys :007) ( little joke for BL )
Holy Crap, TP!!! I very rarely check out the Off Topic chats, so I'm just now seeing this. Blaming us lawyers, huh? Well that's alright. I'm not a criminal lawyer, I'm a real estate finance attorney (almost as vilified as criminal lawyers in the U.S.these days!) Anyway, somebody has to take on the job of defending criminals. I'm just glad it's not me! :007)
There was a case recently Of a shopkeeper who took on a robber, The shopkeeper had several shots fired at him
all he had to defend himself was the pole for opening the shops shuttering. He poked the robber with it to try and
get him out of his shop. When asked by a reporter why he hadn't hit the robber over the head with the pole the shopkeeper answered that HE didn't want to end up charger with Assaulting the robber.
That's how screwed the law now is, even home owners are affraid of defending themselves as THEY could be charged
with assault.
I honestly don't care about prisoner rehabilitation, we are all given a set of rules to live by those who choose to break them should be punished, Crime is a choice.
Personaly I blame all these Attorneys :007) ( little joke for BL )
Nothing Thunderpussy said makes sense. First of all you can defend yourself and your property within certain limits, and it's certainly not the fault of the lawyers, and if you don't care about prisonners rehabilitation then I suggest you read on the subject. You can start with that if you want.
Well, I can see both povs. I mean, let the public get the idea they can pop off any petty criminal and you've got a license for anyone with a gun to be itching to use it. It is generally better that a teen gets away with nicking a KitKat then a shop owner blows off his head.
On the other hand, sometimes there should be a vague sense that a physical attack just might lead to one getting it back in spades from your victim, that they may not just roll over and take it. That sense of a deterrent is what makes a society imo.
Geir Lippestad, Breivik's defence authorney, has gone public today. He belives the Norwegian people should prepare themselves for Breivik to get out of prison "not as an old man, but well out in his middle age." Lippestad also said Breivik has a strong urge to write, so it would be wrong to deny him to write.
I belive Breivik should be allowed to write as much as he wants, but none of his writings should leave the prison. Lippestad doesn't get to decide how long Breivik will stay in prison and most Norwegians belive and hope the terrorist will remain locked up for the rest of his life.
But don't they have a caveat, where the prisoner has to show remorse or give indications that he won't do it again? Otherwise, they can keep him locked up until he does. I believe that is the case over here.
I'm not even sure what middle age is, he's what, over 30 so that could be in 15 years time...
He'll not walk, how can he? I know some pretty crazy stuff goes on in world politics and justice but I can't possibly see how anyone could buy, talk or argue their way out of this one.
First, you must remember Lippestad is the defence attorney - not the judge. The maximum sentence in Norway is 21 years. It will probably increase to 30 soon. Since a law can't work retroactivly (The state can't outlaw smoking tomorrow and then jail you for having smoked today.), so this will have no effect on the Breivik trial. But if the criminal is considered a danger to society after his prison sentence is over, he can be commited to "sikring i fengsel", roughly translated to "safe keeping in prison". It is entirely possible to keep someone locked up for life this way. It is widely delieved this is what will happen to Breivik, but who knows?
I think Norwegian judges (and the system) are often too "soft on crime." This varies, I belive Norwegian drug sentences are considered fairly strict, but rape and murder should IMO be punished with longer prison sentences.
After the 22/7 attacks the Prime Minister said that our reaction should be "more democracy, more tolerance, more openness." That has worked to som extent, but sometimes it is hard to see those qualities in the Norwegian society. This summer a few hundred from the Romani people, traditionally called gypsies, have come to Norway. We have allways had some gypsies here, often called tater or splint. But the new group of Romani are from Romania, where they are very poor and are treated very badly. Some Romani are playing instruments in the streets, some are beggars and some steal. Opinions varies on how much they engage in each activity. Hygiene is not allways up to North European standards , atleast partly because they live in caravans or build simple sheds.
Sadly many people here in Norway, and some politicians have reacted with hostilety towards them. People who have defended the Romani have been received death threats by e-mail.They have been called killer snails, vermin and other derogatory words. For those of us who have read history, it has a creepy simularity to the type of language that was used against the jews back in the 30's. Lett me make myself clear here: a worryingly large section of Norwegians have shown negative reactions and attitudes towards Romani, but we have not gone completely mad. The Prime Minister and many others have expressed consern because of some of the reactions. My point is that some of the lofty ideals we agreed on last year was apparantly just skin deep for some.
The investigating commision on the terrorist attacks will publish their findings on monday. According to the press the report's findings are very damaging to the police and the Department of Justice. Rumour is that the commision has tracked the police cars and the civilian boats on Tyrifjorden very closely and the police's statment on the lack of availability of boats on the lake are wrong. The fact that the car with the bomb could park only a few feet from the building where the Prime Minister's office is, the faulty emergency telephone lines, to few police officers to handle emergency calls, indecisivenes in the SWAT team on where to launch the boat and why the two police officers who came first to the lake never went to Utøya are also important questions.
It will be very interestiong to see the final report.
Some people have commented that the only ones who attacked Breivik on Utøya were two boys from Chechnya who threw stones at him to knock him out. A large portion of those who risked their lives by picking up fleeing kids with smal boats were also foreigners. The closest boats to Utøya were by a camping site, and those are often used by foreign tourists because they are cheap, but still ...
There are fears that over seventy years of social democracy and welfare state has weakened the tendency to take risks and the agression in our people. After the end of the cold war most men don't even have military service anymore. Are we to accustomed to letting the state solve every problem and remove every danger? In Beslan in north Ossetia fathers and brothers attacked the terrorists with guns when terrorists started shooting their children at the school and the state reacted too slowly. There are many differeces (the families lived close by, the hostages were held for days etc.), but one wonders. There is no doubt in my mind that we trusted the state too much, and the state failed us at Norway's darkest hour after WWII.
Today the official investigating commision on 22/7 has published their findings, and everybody agrees they are thorough and pulling no punches. the National Health Service are pretty much the only ones to get away clean. The Secret Service had a to narrow scope in the years leading up to the terrorist attacks, focusing on a few cases and not casting a wider net. They were alerted by the Customs service that about fourthy Norwegians had bought illegal chemicals that could be used to make bombs. Breivik was on that list. If they had done some quick searches on the customs service database they would have found that Breivik had importend more bomb components. They could also discovered that he was a gun owner and had posted hatefull political statements on the net.
The Department of Justice and the Municiality of Oslo managed to procrastinate a decision from 2007 to close off the street outside the Government building. Breivik could park his bomb a couple of feet away from the building that is the equlent of the White House.
The communication/radio system the police uses was very faulty, so was the internal computer system. The police region closest to Utøya had one police officer manning the one emergency telephone line. She had to simultaniously answer distress calls, plan the police responce and make the neccesery calls to make it happen!
The police had many good plans on what to do in a situation like this, but they were surpriceingly rarely used on 22/7.
A civilian witness phoned in a discription of Breivik, his car and the license plate number few minutes after the explotion. The tip was written down on a Post It note and found again by chanse two hours later! Since they got the tip Breivik had passed three police cars and a police station on his way to Utøya. The list goes on ...
Even without a helicoptre the police could have reached Utøya 12 minutes sooner.
The police has allready published their own report on 22/7 and everyone can now see they pulled a lot of punches, sometimes to the point of what looks a lot like lies. It is also clear that the police has a wider problem of organisation, planning and mindset. It is a shamefull day for the police today.
You never know how people will react to things these days. My son choked on some crisps a few months ago. I stopped the car, got him out and tried to clear the crisps out of his mouth. He was gagging, then started to turn purple. Throngs of people walked past, then I tried the Heimlich Maneuvre, and he was starting to pass out. Still people walked past. My 5 year old daughter started screaming for someone to help (she realised how serious it was at five) and yet nobody (and at least fifty people had passed) helped. I picked him up and dropped his stomach on on my head five times, and that cleared it. He projectile vomitted, brought up blood, and started to breath. I sat down in relief, almost in tears, cradled him, and still nobody stopped. Some people simply dont react like you would imagine. Very sad.
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Very sad, yes. But most likely none of the people who walked past were police officers on duty.
The findings of the 22/7 commision were very serious, often called crushing. Verdens Gang, Norway's bestselling newspaper called for the Prime Minister and the governemnet to leave their posts in shame. The Prime minister was very good at voicing the feelings of Norwegians and giving it direction in the time after the attacks. But the commision as shown horrible faults in the national readiness for crisis, and the "bucks stop" at his desk. He also failed at implementing the decision to close the street next to his office building (where the bomb went off) for car traffic and even stalled it. The second largest newspaper, Aftenposten, will probably not call for his withdrawal from his post, perhaps because they wrote a few years ago that the reasoning for closing the street would be "hypotetical and hysterical"
While the National Health Service performed very well that day and the military did what they were asked to (for constitutional reasons the armed forces must be asked by the police to assist during a crisis like this), but the police failed horribly at doing their job. The police have shown they are really bad at handling situations like this, they didn't even follow their own plans. The commision said the problems are structural, organisational and (i wrote about this before) a question of mindset. They made plans on what to to do during a crisis, then put the plans in the bookshelf. Then they asked for more money to implement the plans, but when they got it they spent the money on other things.
The police have also shown a lack of ability to learn from their mistakes. They have tried to excuse and hide their incompetence - even lied about it! I wrote about the tip on Breivik's car. When the tip was discovered on a Post-It note after 20 minutes, the police said in their own incedent report that they chose not to go public or even distribute the vital info to the police on the streets becausue they didn't want to alert possible other terrorists. They did not spread this information for two hours. In the new commision's report it is made clear there was no police presedure reason not to do this. It was just a lie.
The SWAT team (ironically named Readiness Troop here in Norway) cose not to launch their boat from the kai 640 metres from Utøya, but changed the plan and got in their boats 3600 metres from Utøya. the police has claimed there were police tactical reasons for this decision. The truth was it was simply a misunderstanding during a telephone conversation. Just a naked lie. The list of F*** ups is long, too much to list here. Almost nothing the police was suposed to do worked as it should.
The SWAT group also used their own small boat and filled it with far too much personel and equipment. Not for tactical reasons, but simply because they were eager. The boat went agonisingly slow and ended up stalling the outboard engine. They were saved by civilian boats and ferried to Utøya. Perhaps just as well, because SWAT were on their way to the wrong island
The Prime minister will most likely not leave his post. He is the leader of a majority government and there is no tradition for governmments to do so here in Norway. Most likely he will sack someone, but who? Allmost everyone who was in a leadership position that sad day have left their post since, including the Minister of Justice included. None of them named 22/7 as their reasons .....
We have something similar, on far smaller scale here. The problem is, when a crime occurs that is unusual, the local police have to start from scratch, with about as much nous as you or I might have starting from scratch, except less in a way, because being out of their depth but in charge, they tend to be jobsworths and play safe.
A kid went missing in south London, a hunt was under way. After around 8 days and gathering suspicions regarding the family (most murders are usually done by someone known, ie a relative, to the victim, it's statistically rare to be some bogey man sadist) they searched the house again and found a body in the loft, despite the area having been searched twice already. Police put it down to 'human error' which sounds better than gross negligence. Why not have a police force who have dealt with this situation in the past step in? Why start from scratch?
Of course, it was the same with the Madelaine McCann case in Portugal all those years ago. The police are always trying to catch up with themselves and a bit bone-headed about picking up on others' expertise.
You never know how people will react to things these days. My son choked on some crisps a few months ago. I stopped the car, got him out and tried to clear the crisps out of his mouth. He was gagging, then started to turn purple. Throngs of people walked past, then I tried the Heimlich Maneuvre, and he was starting to pass out. Still people walked past. My 5 year old daughter started screaming for someone to help (she realised how serious it was at five) and yet nobody (and at least fifty people had passed) helped. I picked him up and dropped his stomach on on my head five times, and that cleared it. He projectile vomitted, brought up blood, and started to breath. I sat down in relief, almost in tears, cradled him, and still nobody stopped. Some people simply dont react like you would imagine. Very sad.
Actually what failed you (the civilians near by) was part of what worked best on 22/7. Civilians near Utøya worked heroically to save people. Even local children went from survivor to survivor distributing blankets, hugs and a kind word. The problem in Norway is a police force and a governent unable to prepare for and act on disasters. The organisation and mindset must be changed dramatically in the police and the government. The 22/7 commision said it first (but there were many whistleblowers and red flags in the past, but not as comprehensively as the commision), but now everyone agrees on this.
The Director of the Police resigned from his post thursday. The Police Director is the "Top cop" in Norway. While he hardly can be blamed for the deep-set internal problems in the police force that led to the scandalous police response on 22/7 since he started the job only two weeks prior, he has been a part of the probelm since. He has worked really hard at hiding and ignoring the problems in the police force, but less so at fixing anything. The Director of the Police is not a trained policeman. For some reason teh police in this country are given leaders who are not policemen. I have no idea why, it would be unthinkable to apoint leaders in the military who were not soldiers. He was also a part of the leadership group of Labour Party Youth when our Prime Minister led that organisation and was even Prime Minister Stoltenberg's best man!
Yesterday the judges decided: Breivik will be sent to prison. He was given the maximum sentence, 21 years. But the prison can hold him as long as they belive he is a danger to society, and what judge will sign that paper? Most people belive he will die an old man in prison.
You may remember there were to reports on Breivik's mental health, since his mental health was the only contested issue during the trial. The first one belived Breivik was psycotic and unfit for prison. That report was leaked to the press by an honest soul, and the press saw the report was illogical and had more holes than a Swiss chease. The defence authoneys called for a second report and the judges agreed. The second report said Breivik was not pscotic and fit for jail.
The judges slaughtered the first report yesterday, thank God. They essentially said it doesn't hold water, so we are just going ignore its conclusion.
Strangly, the prosecutors wanted Breivik to be sent to mental hospital and his defence authorneys wanted him to be sent to prison )
The prosecutors decided not to appeal for a new trial. Breivik said he didin't acknowledge the court, so he couldn't eccept the verdict or ask for an reappeal. "I would also like to say something to all militant nationalists out there ..." The judge wisely stopped him short, since he was probably about to say he's sorry he didn't kill more people or perhaps an appeal to fight on. Breivik then said he will not ask for a new trail, but he still didn't accept the verdict. The judges said he was given two weeks to consider, the third choice given to the accused in Norwegian courts. It is most likely he will accept and there will be no more trials for Breivik.
I think it's time to officially wrap up this topic. I have found it helpful and interesting and I hope others feel the same. I want to end the topic not by focusing on the terrorist, who I hope will live in jail in increasing obscurity till the end of his days. I want to end it by honouring the victims, who deserve the attention a lot more.
After the terrorist attacks last year people have found an outlet for their feelings in songs. I have allready mentioned the large crowd singing "My rainbow race". Two other songs have been used often in funerals and memorial conserts.
The first is "Mitt lille land" ("My little country"). The video includes english subtitles and some memorable footage:
The song that most clearly represents 22/7 here in Norway is "Til ungdomen" ("To the youth"). It is from a poem written by the poet Nordahl Grieg during the Spanish civil war, but strangly echoes the events that horrible day. " Maybe you ask in fear, uncovered, open: what shall I fight with, what is my weapon?"
But this was a song often sung in Norway before the attacks, and on Utøya too. The reason why is the ideals in the song, the ideals the kids on Utøya worked for. To use a Norwegian expression: Their hearts burnt for these ideals.
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- The prison has let Breivik post 600 letters from his prison cell
- More than a year after, Norway still has no police transport helicoptre ready 24/7. Not ONE!
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Nothing Thunderpussy said makes sense. First of all you can defend yourself and your property within certain limits, and it's certainly not the fault of the lawyers, and if you don't care about prisonners rehabilitation then I suggest you read on the subject. You can start with that if you want.
http://youtu.be/EFw9stIeWjQ
On the other hand, sometimes there should be a vague sense that a physical attack just might lead to one getting it back in spades from your victim, that they may not just roll over and take it. That sense of a deterrent is what makes a society imo.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
I belive Breivik should be allowed to write as much as he wants, but none of his writings should leave the prison. Lippestad doesn't get to decide how long Breivik will stay in prison and most Norwegians belive and hope the terrorist will remain locked up for the rest of his life.
I'm not even sure what middle age is, he's what, over 30 so that could be in 15 years time...
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Vive le droit à la libre expression! Je suis Charlie!
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I think Norwegian judges (and the system) are often too "soft on crime." This varies, I belive Norwegian drug sentences are considered fairly strict, but rape and murder should IMO be punished with longer prison sentences.
Sadly many people here in Norway, and some politicians have reacted with hostilety towards them. People who have defended the Romani have been received death threats by e-mail.They have been called killer snails, vermin and other derogatory words. For those of us who have read history, it has a creepy simularity to the type of language that was used against the jews back in the 30's. Lett me make myself clear here: a worryingly large section of Norwegians have shown negative reactions and attitudes towards Romani, but we have not gone completely mad. The Prime Minister and many others have expressed consern because of some of the reactions. My point is that some of the lofty ideals we agreed on last year was apparantly just skin deep for some.
It will be very interestiong to see the final report.
There are fears that over seventy years of social democracy and welfare state has weakened the tendency to take risks and the agression in our people. After the end of the cold war most men don't even have military service anymore. Are we to accustomed to letting the state solve every problem and remove every danger? In Beslan in north Ossetia fathers and brothers attacked the terrorists with guns when terrorists started shooting their children at the school and the state reacted too slowly. There are many differeces (the families lived close by, the hostages were held for days etc.), but one wonders. There is no doubt in my mind that we trusted the state too much, and the state failed us at Norway's darkest hour after WWII.
The Department of Justice and the Municiality of Oslo managed to procrastinate a decision from 2007 to close off the street outside the Government building. Breivik could park his bomb a couple of feet away from the building that is the equlent of the White House.
The communication/radio system the police uses was very faulty, so was the internal computer system. The police region closest to Utøya had one police officer manning the one emergency telephone line. She had to simultaniously answer distress calls, plan the police responce and make the neccesery calls to make it happen!
The police had many good plans on what to do in a situation like this, but they were surpriceingly rarely used on 22/7.
A civilian witness phoned in a discription of Breivik, his car and the license plate number few minutes after the explotion. The tip was written down on a Post It note and found again by chanse two hours later! Since they got the tip Breivik had passed three police cars and a police station on his way to Utøya. The list goes on ...
Even without a helicoptre the police could have reached Utøya 12 minutes sooner.
The police has allready published their own report on 22/7 and everyone can now see they pulled a lot of punches, sometimes to the point of what looks a lot like lies. It is also clear that the police has a wider problem of organisation, planning and mindset. It is a shamefull day for the police today.
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The findings of the 22/7 commision were very serious, often called crushing. Verdens Gang, Norway's bestselling newspaper called for the Prime Minister and the governemnet to leave their posts in shame. The Prime minister was very good at voicing the feelings of Norwegians and giving it direction in the time after the attacks. But the commision as shown horrible faults in the national readiness for crisis, and the "bucks stop" at his desk. He also failed at implementing the decision to close the street next to his office building (where the bomb went off) for car traffic and even stalled it. The second largest newspaper, Aftenposten, will probably not call for his withdrawal from his post, perhaps because they wrote a few years ago that the reasoning for closing the street would be "hypotetical and hysterical"
While the National Health Service performed very well that day and the military did what they were asked to (for constitutional reasons the armed forces must be asked by the police to assist during a crisis like this), but the police failed horribly at doing their job. The police have shown they are really bad at handling situations like this, they didn't even follow their own plans. The commision said the problems are structural, organisational and (i wrote about this before) a question of mindset. They made plans on what to to do during a crisis, then put the plans in the bookshelf. Then they asked for more money to implement the plans, but when they got it they spent the money on other things.
The police have also shown a lack of ability to learn from their mistakes. They have tried to excuse and hide their incompetence - even lied about it! I wrote about the tip on Breivik's car. When the tip was discovered on a Post-It note after 20 minutes, the police said in their own incedent report that they chose not to go public or even distribute the vital info to the police on the streets becausue they didn't want to alert possible other terrorists. They did not spread this information for two hours. In the new commision's report it is made clear there was no police presedure reason not to do this. It was just a lie.
The SWAT team (ironically named Readiness Troop here in Norway) cose not to launch their boat from the kai 640 metres from Utøya, but changed the plan and got in their boats 3600 metres from Utøya. the police has claimed there were police tactical reasons for this decision. The truth was it was simply a misunderstanding during a telephone conversation. Just a naked lie. The list of F*** ups is long, too much to list here. Almost nothing the police was suposed to do worked as it should.
The SWAT group also used their own small boat and filled it with far too much personel and equipment. Not for tactical reasons, but simply because they were eager. The boat went agonisingly slow and ended up stalling the outboard engine. They were saved by civilian boats and ferried to Utøya. Perhaps just as well, because SWAT were on their way to the wrong island
The Prime minister will most likely not leave his post. He is the leader of a majority government and there is no tradition for governmments to do so here in Norway. Most likely he will sack someone, but who? Allmost everyone who was in a leadership position that sad day have left their post since, including the Minister of Justice included. None of them named 22/7 as their reasons .....
A kid went missing in south London, a hunt was under way. After around 8 days and gathering suspicions regarding the family (most murders are usually done by someone known, ie a relative, to the victim, it's statistically rare to be some bogey man sadist) they searched the house again and found a body in the loft, despite the area having been searched twice already. Police put it down to 'human error' which sounds better than gross negligence. Why not have a police force who have dealt with this situation in the past step in? Why start from scratch?
Of course, it was the same with the Madelaine McCann case in Portugal all those years ago. The police are always trying to catch up with themselves and a bit bone-headed about picking up on others' expertise.
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Actually what failed you (the civilians near by) was part of what worked best on 22/7. Civilians near Utøya worked heroically to save people. Even local children went from survivor to survivor distributing blankets, hugs and a kind word. The problem in Norway is a police force and a governent unable to prepare for and act on disasters. The organisation and mindset must be changed dramatically in the police and the government. The 22/7 commision said it first (but there were many whistleblowers and red flags in the past, but not as comprehensively as the commision), but now everyone agrees on this.
You may remember there were to reports on Breivik's mental health, since his mental health was the only contested issue during the trial. The first one belived Breivik was psycotic and unfit for prison. That report was leaked to the press by an honest soul, and the press saw the report was illogical and had more holes than a Swiss chease. The defence authoneys called for a second report and the judges agreed. The second report said Breivik was not pscotic and fit for jail.
The judges slaughtered the first report yesterday, thank God. They essentially said it doesn't hold water, so we are just going ignore its conclusion.
Strangly, the prosecutors wanted Breivik to be sent to mental hospital and his defence authorneys wanted him to be sent to prison
The prosecutors decided not to appeal for a new trial. Breivik said he didin't acknowledge the court, so he couldn't eccept the verdict or ask for an reappeal. "I would also like to say something to all militant nationalists out there ..." The judge wisely stopped him short, since he was probably about to say he's sorry he didn't kill more people or perhaps an appeal to fight on. Breivik then said he will not ask for a new trail, but he still didn't accept the verdict. The judges said he was given two weeks to consider, the third choice given to the accused in Norwegian courts. It is most likely he will accept and there will be no more trials for Breivik.
After the terrorist attacks last year people have found an outlet for their feelings in songs. I have allready mentioned the large crowd singing "My rainbow race". Two other songs have been used often in funerals and memorial conserts.
The first is "Mitt lille land" ("My little country"). The video includes english subtitles and some memorable footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg-YQsXNfeo
The song that most clearly represents 22/7 here in Norway is "Til ungdomen" ("To the youth"). It is from a poem written by the poet Nordahl Grieg during the Spanish civil war, but strangly echoes the events that horrible day. " Maybe you ask in fear, uncovered, open: what shall I fight with, what is my weapon?"
But this was a song often sung in Norway before the attacks, and on Utøya too. The reason why is the ideals in the song, the ideals the kids on Utøya worked for. To use a Norwegian expression: Their hearts burnt for these ideals.
This is an English version of the song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz3rafGZ4AI
To burning hearts, both lost and saved