I think for the sillier Bond films, some fans feel they're as serious as their most serious moment.
Definitely agree with this. I am a lot more tolerant of the silliness than most I feel, but this certainly applies to me. The silliness never undoes any seriousness for me when watching; although I think if I had come to the films more recently then that may be the case but as I've grown up with it, I've never seen the daft bits as a problem.
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You know...I sort of look at Roger Moore as being the elder statesman of the James Bond series, in more ways than one. And I blantantly...dislike Roger Moore because I just have a raw, seething, passionate, hatred, for his voice, and I personally believe that Roger Moore's voice was more fitting for that of an Alfred Pennyworth than that of a James Bond. I can easily picture Roger Moore saying, "Yes, Master Bruce." or "Yes, Master Wayne." or I can even picture him saying or rather yelling, "DICK GRAYSON GET BACK IN THAT BED THIS INSTANT!!!!!" because Roger has a demeanor that just screams Alfred Pennyworth and if you believe otherwise then I challenge you, to prove me wrong, once and for all!!
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what you confuse with an "Alfred Pennyworth" voice and tone is actually a very refined and distinguised accent.
again, its relative to your tastes and preferences.
i imagine Bond as being refined and distinguished, hence the voice fits perfectly.
I believe it was Michael Caine or Cough who did a perfect Alfred Pennyworth voice, very subservient...unlike the current actor (i forget his name) who's voice cannot hide that he's used to 'ordering' folks to and fro...
I think the problem with the Moore Bonds is the fact that they are spoofing Bond the character and he didn't earn the right to spoof him. DAF & YOLT Connery was spoofing himself and he had the previous masterpieces to back it up. With Connery we were all in on the joke and it was cool that he could poke fun at the image he produced. With Moore this is the way his Bond is from the get go. Now I was born in 1974 so Moore was my first Bond and I think he appealed well to children because of the silliness but as you get older, read the books, you begin to see how silly his Bond is and not just him but everyone in his films are so over the top.
Also with NSNA Connery knew he was to old for the job. That was the joke the comment the spa worker made about his bently then they cut to 007 having to defend himself with the same quip he used to defend his car. Moores Bond seems oblivious to the sheer ridiculousness of his age(to moores credit he did try to leave the role from FYEO on but the producers wouldn't let him). Lets face it he looks like someones grandfather running around in AVTAK and Grace Jones looks like she could kick his butt wheres a good old fashion henchmen like odd job when you need him
I think the problem with the Moore Bonds is the fact that they are spoofing Bond the character and he didn't earn the right to spoof him. DAF & YOLT Connery was spoofing himself and he had the previous masterpieces to back it up. With Connery we were all in on the joke and it was cool that he could poke fun at the image he produced. With Moore this is the way his Bond is from the get go. Now I was born in 1974 so Moore was my first Bond and I think he appealed well to children because of the silliness but as you get older, read the books, you begin to see how silly his Bond is and not just him but everyone in his films are so over the top.
Well, I have got older (or does 27 not qualify as "older" these days?), read the books, and I still rate Moore as my favourite, while still acknowledging the sillier parts of his adventures. You can't generalise like that.
I think the problem with the Moore Bonds is the fact that they are spoofing Bond the character and he didn't earn the right to spoof him. DAF & YOLT Connery was spoofing himself and he had the previous masterpieces to back it up. With Connery we were all in on the joke and it was cool that he could poke fun at the image he produced. With Moore this is the way his Bond is from the get go. Now I was born in 1974 so Moore was my first Bond and I think he appealed well to children because of the silliness but as you get older, read the books, you begin to see how silly his Bond is and not just him but everyone in his films are so over the top.
Also with NSNA Connery knew he was to old for the job. That was the joke the comment the spa worker made about his bently then they cut to 007 having to defend himself with the same quip he used to defend his car. Moores Bond seems oblivious to the sheer ridiculousness of his age(to moores credit he did try to leave the role from FYEO on but the producers wouldn't let him). Lets face it he looks like someones grandfather running around in AVTAK and Grace Jones looks like she could kick his butt wheres a good old fashion henchmen like odd job when you need him
There seems to be a bit of a Roger Moore Renaissance at the moment and quite right too. I agree that now and again the comedy went too far, but his films were a temendous success and on the whole, very, very enjoyable. There seems to be the cult of Connery in existance. By which I mean if SC and FRWL isn't your favourite then you are not a true fan, but it's down to personal opinion I guess.
Oddly, and I said this before, Moore seems older now because of the trend for teen-style action heroes, started by Tom Cruise and continued with Matt Damon. As a kid, Moore seemed easily 10 years younger than he was simply by having a full head of longish hair with a side parting, boyish sense of humour and being surrounded by 70 year olds like Bernard Lee and so on. And as Moore got older, you would project his younger self onto him, whereas now you don''t, you project his older self onto his younger roles.
Now I see an overly tanned, whisky soaked 50 year old in TSWLM, but at the time he might have been in his late 30s, that tanned look covered a lot, he looked like Steve Austin (6 million dollar man).
Oddly, and I said this before, Moore seems older now because of the trend for teen-style action heroes, started by Tom Cruise and continued with Matt Damon. As a kid, Moore seemed easily 10 years younger than he was simply by having a full head of longish hair with a side parting, boyish sense of humour and being surrounded by 70 year olds like Bernard Lee and so on. And as Moore got older, you would project his younger self onto him, whereas now you don''t, you project his older self onto his younger roles.
Now I see an overly tanned, whisky soaked 50 year old in TSWLM, but at the time he might have been in his late 30s, that tanned look covered a lot, he looked like Steve Austin (6 million dollar man).
There seems to be a bit of a Roger Moore Renaissance at the moment and quite right too. I agree that now and again the comedy went too far, but his films were a temendous success and on the whole, very, very enjoyable. There seems to be the cult of Connery in existance. By which I mean if SC and FRWL isn't your favourite then you are not a true fan, but it's down to personal opinion I guess.
Can't say I have noticed any Roger Moore Renaissance lately. There seems to me to have been the usual mix of love, appreciation, dislike, and hatred.
There is a cult of Connery in existence wherein the first four films were so successful, and he was so successful in them, that he should remain immune from criticism regardless of the other three films and his performances (or lack of) in them.
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what you confuse with an "Alfred Pennyworth" voice and tone is actually a very refined and distinguised accent.
again, its relative to your tastes and preferences.
i imagine Bond as being refined and distinguished, hence the voice fits perfectly.
I believe it was Michael Caine or Cough who did a perfect Alfred Pennyworth voice, very subservient...unlike the current actor (i forget his name) who's voice cannot hide that he's used to 'ordering' folks to and fro...
Well, if you say so, but I imagine that it wouldn't be much of a stretch to have Roger Moore do a subservient voice for Alfred Pennyworth in The Dark Knight Returns. If they ever make that graphic novel into a live-action movie, that is.
Anyway I believe it was Michael Cough who did a very subservient Alfred Pennyworth voice, because in all four of the Batman films prior to Christopher Nolan's "Dark Knight Saga" (or at least that's TV Tropes and Idioms is calling it,) Michael Cough sounded a bit too nice and a bit too subservient to be playing Alfred. But then you see Michael Caine going into the opposite direction entirely, Caine obviously wasn't subservient enough for you....To the point where Michael Caine might as well had played "M" in Casino Royale instead of Dame Judi Dench, herself!
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Of course it's ALL a matter of personal opinion. There are those who view Roger Moore as the epitome of Bond, much the same as I do Connery. I, for the life of me, cannot understand the appeal of Moore's Bond, especially coming after Connery, but does that mean Moore's fans are wrong? Of course not! They're just Bond fans who have an opinion that differs from mine. By the same token, those of us who put Connery at the top (and Craig second, TP) are not brainwashed cultists for whom Sean Connery and Daniel Craig can do no wrong. We just think they offer better personifications of 007 than Sir Roger. Goldfinger is my favorite Bond film, with FRWL and Casino Royale following closely behind. So am I wrong because I don't think The Spy Who Loved Me can come near any of those films in terms of overall quality? I don't think anyone would seriously argue that. In fact...........oh never mind! Sean Connery was the best Bond ever and Daniel Craig is quickly moving into the second spot. Anyone who thinks differently is just plain wrong, got it? )
There seems to be a bit of a Roger Moore Renaissance at the moment and quite right too. I agree that now and again the comedy went too far, but his films were a temendous success and on the whole, very, very enjoyable. There seems to be the cult of Connery in existance. By which I mean if SC and FRWL isn't your favourite then you are not a true fan, but it's down to personal opinion I guess.
Of course it's ALL a matter of personal opinion. There are those who view Roger Moore as the epitome of Bond, much the same as I do Connery. I, for the life of me, cannot understand the appeal of Moore's Bond, especially coming after Connery, but does that mean Moore's fans are wrong? Of course not! They're just Bond fans who have an opinion that differs from mine. By the same token, those of us who put Connery at the top (and Craig second, TP) are not brainwashed cultists for whom Sean Connery and Daniel Craig can do no wrong. We just think they offer better personifications of 007 than Sir Roger. Goldfinger is my favorite Bond film, with FRWL and Casino Royale following closely behind. So am I wrong because I don't think The Spy Who Loved Me can come near any of those films in terms of overall quality? I don't think anyone would seriously argue that. In fact...........oh never mind! Sean Connery was the best Bond ever and Daniel Craig is quickly moving into the second spot. Anyone who thinks differently is just plain wrong, got it? )
There seems to be a bit of a Roger Moore Renaissance at the moment and quite right too. I agree that now and again the comedy went too far, but his films were a temendous success and on the whole, very, very enjoyable. There seems to be the cult of Connery in existance. By which I mean if SC and FRWL isn't your favourite then you are not a true fan, but it's down to personal opinion I guess.
I think differing opinions make the world a more interesting place. My own point of view is a bit of an oddity to be honest.
My favourite film is Thunderball and I do think that Sean Connery, for the most part, was the best James Bond. But, Roger Moore is my favourite - does that make any sense?
I'm a fan of Rogers anyway, always have been. I adore the Saint in particular and love The Persuaders!
I don't think the majority of people just say that SC is the best, but some do I'm sure. To be honest, all the films and actors have their merits - right, back to watching A View To A Kill.....
Of course it's ALL a matter of personal opinion. There are those who view Roger Moore as the epitome of Bond, much the same as I do Connery. I, for the life of me, cannot understand the appeal of Moore's Bond, especially coming after Connery, but does that mean Moore's fans are wrong? Of course not! They're just Bond fans who have an opinion that differs from mine. By the same token, those of us who put Connery at the top (and Craig second, TP) are not brainwashed cultists for whom Sean Connery and Daniel Craig can do no wrong. We just think they offer better personifications of 007 than Sir Roger. Goldfinger is my favorite Bond film, with FRWL and Casino Royale following closely behind. So am I wrong because I don't think The Spy Who Loved Me can come near any of those films in terms of overall quality? I don't think anyone would seriously argue that. In fact...........oh never mind! Sean Connery was the best Bond ever and Daniel Craig is quickly moving into the second spot. Anyone who thinks differently is just plain wrong, got it?
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There seems to be a bit of a Roger Moore Renaissance at the moment and quite right too. I agree that now and again the comedy went too far, but his films were a temendous success and on the whole, very, very enjoyable. There seems to be the cult of Connery in existance. By which I mean if SC and FRWL isn't your favourite then you are not a true fan, but it's down to personal opinion I guess.
I think differing opinions make the world a more interesting place. My own point of view is a bit of an oddity to be honest.
My favourite film is Thunderball and I do think that Sean Connery, for the most part, was the best James Bond. But, Roger Moore is my favourite - does that make any sense?
I'm a fan of Rogers anyway, always have been. I adore the Saint in particular and love The Persuaders!
I don't think the majority of people just say that SC is the best, but some do I'm sure. To be honest, all the films and actors have their merits - right, back to watching A View To A Kill.....
Pretty much my own view, LOO7K OUT. To Me S Connery was the Origin of the species ( others may come close but he was simply the best ) T Dalton is my personal favourite but I also love Roger Moore, Grew up watching him every week in The Saint, The Persuaders etc.
Also AVTAK IMHO isn't as bad as some members would have you think. It's better than some I could mention :v
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Actually, I wonder if having The Saint and The Persuaders on telly a lot at the time helped make some fans more predisposed towards Moore, now they're obviously not shown so much, so it's just Moore as Bond he's judged.
You might have a point there NP. I think if Rog had played Bond the same way he played Simon Templar he might have usurped Sean, well, maybe
Mind you, as we all know, the humour wasn't RMs fault. A serious spy film would not have been as bigger hit in the 70's. Let's all be gratefull that we didn't end up with Burt Reynolds!
Actually, I wonder if having The Saint and The Persuaders on telly a lot at the time helped make some fans more predisposed towards Moore, now they're obviously not shown so much, so it's just Moore as Bond he's judged.
Of course it's ALL a matter of personal opinion. There are those who view Roger Moore as the epitome of Bond, much the same as I do Connery. I, for the life of me, cannot understand the appeal of Moore's Bond, especially coming after Connery, but does that mean Moore's fans are wrong? Of course not! They're just Bond fans who have an opinion that differs from mine. By the same token, those of us who put Connery at the top (and Craig second, TP) are not brainwashed cultists for whom Sean Connery and Daniel Craig can do no wrong. We just think they offer better personifications of 007 than Sir Roger. Goldfinger is my favorite Bond film, with FRWL and Casino Royale following closely behind. So am I wrong because I don't think The Spy Who Loved Me can come near any of those films in terms of overall quality? I don't think anyone would seriously argue that. In fact...........oh never mind! Sean Connery was the best Bond ever and Daniel Craig is quickly moving into the second spot. Anyone who thinks differently is just plain wrong, got it?
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There seems to be a bit of a Roger Moore Renaissance at the moment and quite right too. I agree that now and again the comedy went too far, but his films were a temendous success and on the whole, very, very enjoyable. There seems to be the cult of Connery in existance. By which I mean if SC and FRWL isn't your favourite then you are not a true fan, but it's down to personal opinion I guess.
I think differing opinions make the world a more interesting place. My own point of view is a bit of an oddity to be honest.
My favourite film is Thunderball and I do think that Sean Connery, for the most part, was the best James Bond. But, Roger Moore is my favourite - does that make any sense?
I'm a fan of Rogers anyway, always have been. I adore the Saint in particular and love The Persuaders!
I don't think the majority of people just say that SC is the best, but some do I'm sure. To be honest, all the films and actors have their merits - right, back to watching A View To A Kill.....
Pretty much my own view, LOO7K OUT. To Me S Connery was the Origin of the species ( others may come close but he was simply the best ) T Dalton is my personal favourite but I also love Roger Moore, Grew up watching him every week in The Saint, The Persuaders etc.
Also AVTAK IMHO isn't as bad as some members would have you think. It's better than some I could mention :v
same here,
Sean Connery is the standard,
but Roger is not without much merit.
I read or heard that upon recieving his first Bond script he said to his producers "I cant see anyone but Sean saying these lines" or something similar.
so it is to his credit that he took an icon (albeit still young) and actually solidified it, extended its longevity so to speak...
wasn't it believed that Bond was done in the movies so much that even Lazenby thought so? it was a fiasco with Sean coming back only to convince himself that it was over.
we can go so far as to say that thanks to Roger, Bond lives on...
You might have a point there NP. I think if Rog had played Bond the same way he played Simon Templar he might have usurped Sean, well, maybe
Mind you, as we all know, the humour wasn't RMs fault. A serious spy film would not have been as bigger hit in the 70's. Let's all be gratefull that we didn't end up with Burt Reynolds!
Actually, I wonder if having The Saint and The Persuaders on telly a lot at the time helped make some fans more predisposed towards Moore, now they're obviously not shown so much, so it's just Moore as Bond he's judged.
Just out of interest, BL, do you like Moore as The Saint or in The Persuaders?
Or is it just as Bond?
Those of a plus 50 age group particularly dislike Moore it seems because they were the wrong age when he came along, at a time when the 1970s counterculture was really getting going, and movies were getting darker eg Scorcese, Coppola and so on. So it would be like having to hang out at your little kid's Punch and Judy show.
You might have a point there NP. I think if Rog had played Bond the same way he played Simon Templar he might have usurped Sean, well, maybe
Mind you, as we all know, the humour wasn't RMs fault. A serious spy film would not have been as bigger hit in the 70's. Let's all be gratefull that we didn't end up with Burt Reynolds!
Actually, I wonder if having The Saint and The Persuaders on telly a lot at the time helped make some fans more predisposed towards Moore, now they're obviously not shown so much, so it's just Moore as Bond he's judged.
Yeah, for Diamonds are Forever. This was before his Smoky and the Bandit roles, so he would have looked a bit like Connery, but with a bit more acting experience and screen presence than Lazenby I suppose. Nah, don't fancy it much either.
I think Burt Reynolds is a fine actor. Not for Bond maybe. But he went down a certain path with his roles, where he became a charactature of himself. He has had good roles, and done them well. Unfortunately these were few and far between.
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Actually, I enjoyed Roger Moore quite a bit in both The Saint and The Persuaders. I even liked his brief stint in the TV show "Maverick" (yes, I've been around for a while!) But I just feel he was all wrong for Bond, or at least the Bond I was used to after having seen Connery (and even Lazenby) in the role. I think I sometimes come across too harshly in my criticism of the Roger Moore era Bond films because it appears that I dislike Roger Moore as an actor. I don't, and I actually think Sir Roger is a skilled actor, especially in less serious roles. But not for 007.
Just out of interest, BL, do you like Moore as The Saint or in The Persuaders?
Or is it just as Bond?
Those of a plus 50 age group particularly dislike Moore it seems because they were the wrong age when he came along, at a time when the 1970s counterculture was really getting going, and movies were getting darker eg Scorcese, Coppola and so on. So it would be like having to hang out at your little kid's Punch and Judy show.
James Bond was different during this era because times had changed and the scripts were different. Authors like George MacDonald Fraser provided scenarios in which 007 was a kind of seasoned, debonair playboy who would always have a trick or gadget in stock when he needed it. This was supposed to serve the contemporary taste (or zeitgeist) and Roger Moore made it work.
In 2004, Moore was voted 'Best Bond' in an Academy Awards poll and won with a large 62% of votes whilst in late 2008.
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interesting tid-bit on Fraser's take for Bond...so in fact we should see Roger's Bond as Bond in his latter years i suppose.
Actually, I enjoyed Roger Moore quite a bit in both The Saint and The Persuaders. I even liked his brief stint in the TV show "Maverick" (yes, I've been around for a while!) But I just feel he was all wrong for Bond, or at least the Bond I was used to after having seen Connery (and even Lazenby) in the role. I think I sometimes come across too harshly in my criticism of the Roger Moore era Bond films because it appears that I dislike Roger Moore as an actor. I don't, and I actually think Sir Roger is a skilled actor, especially in less serious roles. But not for 007.
You are definitely going soft in your old age, Blackleiter. It really is only a matter of time before Roger Moore is your favourite Bond actor. )
Seriously, I appreciate your comments regarding Roger as an actor even if if I do not appreciate some of your comments regarding Roger as Bond.
In 2004, Moore was voted 'Best Bond' in an Academy Awards poll and won with a large 62% of votes.
Was Sean Connery's name on the list when they voted? Come the time of the result the announcement was meant to be 6.2% but they got it wrong? Nah, the vote was rigged. )
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Actually, I enjoyed Roger Moore quite a bit in both The Saint and The Persuaders. I even liked his brief stint in the TV show "Maverick" (yes, I've been around for a while!) But I just feel he was all wrong for Bond, or at least the Bond I was used to after having seen Connery (and even Lazenby) in the role. I think I sometimes come across too harshly in my criticism of the Roger Moore era Bond films because it appears that I dislike Roger Moore as an actor. I don't, and I actually think Sir Roger is a skilled actor, especially in less serious roles. But not for 007.
You are definitely going soft in your old age, Blackleiter. It really is only a matter of time before Roger Moore is your favourite Bond actor. )
Seriously, I appreciate your comments regarding Roger as an actor even if if I do not appreciate some of your comments regarding Roger as Bond.
In 2004, Moore was voted 'Best Bond' in an Academy Awards poll and won with a large 62% of votes.
Was Sean Connery's name on the list when they voted? Come the time of the result the announcement was meant to be 6.2% but they got it wrong? Nah, the vote was rigged. )
My god it has been literally years since I posted a comment....but!
I've got to say your discussion has been interesting. I have always had a soft spot for Roger Moore and usuaaly get a bit irritated at casual dismissal of him. He was undoubtedly successful for the longest period.
I always say you must consider the relative time the films were released. For example I could say that I don't really find Charlie Chaplin very funny, but of course in his day he was hilarious to the audiences of the time and it is unfair to judge him by later standards.
I was glad to see someone mention "Smoky and the Bandit" being a contemporary of Moore's 007. Also the great Clint Eastwood was making such rich character studies as "Every which way but loose" at the time so I think it's worth remembering that Moore, great light comedian that he was, simply reflected the trend in family/action films of the 70's.
I don't think it's fair to blame him for what one might see as a poor Bond movie, especially given the collabarative nature of making Bond movies.
Another point I'd make is that the traditional "event" type feel to a Bond movie, big stunts etc, are almost exclusively in Moore's films, even though to the man in the street those sort of things are part of what makes "classic" JB.
I would never say he's the best, I don't have a favourite Bond actor and that's fine as it works both ways!
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Definitely agree with this. I am a lot more tolerant of the silliness than most I feel, but this certainly applies to me. The silliness never undoes any seriousness for me when watching; although I think if I had come to the films more recently then that may be the case but as I've grown up with it, I've never seen the daft bits as a problem.
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what you confuse with an "Alfred Pennyworth" voice and tone is actually a very refined and distinguised accent.
again, its relative to your tastes and preferences.
i imagine Bond as being refined and distinguished, hence the voice fits perfectly.
I believe it was Michael Caine or Cough who did a perfect Alfred Pennyworth voice, very subservient...unlike the current actor (i forget his name) who's voice cannot hide that he's used to 'ordering' folks to and fro...
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Also with NSNA Connery knew he was to old for the job. That was the joke the comment the spa worker made about his bently then they cut to 007 having to defend himself with the same quip he used to defend his car. Moores Bond seems oblivious to the sheer ridiculousness of his age(to moores credit he did try to leave the role from FYEO on but the producers wouldn't let him). Lets face it he looks like someones grandfather running around in AVTAK and Grace Jones looks like she could kick his butt wheres a good old fashion henchmen like odd job when you need him
Well, I have got older (or does 27 not qualify as "older" these days?), read the books, and I still rate Moore as my favourite, while still acknowledging the sillier parts of his adventures. You can't generalise like that.
Now I see an overly tanned, whisky soaked 50 year old in TSWLM, but at the time he might have been in his late 30s, that tanned look covered a lot, he looked like Steve Austin (6 million dollar man).
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Now I see an overly tanned, whisky soaked 50 year old in TSWLM, but at the time he might have been in his late 30s, that tanned look covered a lot, he looked like Steve Austin (6 million dollar man).
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Can't say I have noticed any Roger Moore Renaissance lately. There seems to me to have been the usual mix of love, appreciation, dislike, and hatred.
There is a cult of Connery in existence wherein the first four films were so successful, and he was so successful in them, that he should remain immune from criticism regardless of the other three films and his performances (or lack of) in them.
Well, if you say so, but I imagine that it wouldn't be much of a stretch to have Roger Moore do a subservient voice for Alfred Pennyworth in The Dark Knight Returns. If they ever make that graphic novel into a live-action movie, that is.
Anyway I believe it was Michael Cough who did a very subservient Alfred Pennyworth voice, because in all four of the Batman films prior to Christopher Nolan's "Dark Knight Saga" (or at least that's TV Tropes and Idioms is calling it,) Michael Cough sounded a bit too nice and a bit too subservient to be playing Alfred. But then you see Michael Caine going into the opposite direction entirely, Caine obviously wasn't subservient enough for you....To the point where Michael Caine might as well had played "M" in Casino Royale instead of Dame Judi Dench, herself!
I think differing opinions make the world a more interesting place. My own point of view is a bit of an oddity to be honest.
My favourite film is Thunderball and I do think that Sean Connery, for the most part, was the best James Bond. But, Roger Moore is my favourite - does that make any sense?
I'm a fan of Rogers anyway, always have been. I adore the Saint in particular and love The Persuaders!
I don't think the majority of people just say that SC is the best, but some do I'm sure. To be honest, all the films and actors have their merits - right, back to watching A View To A Kill.....
Pretty much my own view, LOO7K OUT. To Me S Connery was the Origin of the species ( others may come close but he was simply the best ) T Dalton is my personal favourite but I also love Roger Moore, Grew up watching him every week in The Saint, The Persuaders etc.
Also AVTAK IMHO isn't as bad as some members would have you think. It's better than some I could mention :v
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Mind you, as we all know, the humour wasn't RMs fault. A serious spy film would not have been as bigger hit in the 70's. Let's all be gratefull that we didn't end up with Burt Reynolds!
same here,
Sean Connery is the standard,
but Roger is not without much merit.
I read or heard that upon recieving his first Bond script he said to his producers "I cant see anyone but Sean saying these lines" or something similar.
so it is to his credit that he took an icon (albeit still young) and actually solidified it, extended its longevity so to speak...
wasn't it believed that Bond was done in the movies so much that even Lazenby thought so? it was a fiasco with Sean coming back only to convince himself that it was over.
we can go so far as to say that thanks to Roger, Bond lives on...
Or is it just as Bond?
Those of a plus 50 age group particularly dislike Moore it seems because they were the wrong age when he came along, at a time when the 1970s counterculture was really getting going, and movies were getting darker eg Scorcese, Coppola and so on. So it would be like having to hang out at your little kid's Punch and Judy show.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
oh god...was he really being considered???
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In 2004, Moore was voted 'Best Bond' in an Academy Awards poll and won with a large 62% of votes whilst in late 2008.
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interesting tid-bit on Fraser's take for Bond...so in fact we should see Roger's Bond as Bond in his latter years i suppose.
You are definitely going soft in your old age, Blackleiter. It really is only a matter of time before Roger Moore is your favourite Bond actor.
Seriously, I appreciate your comments regarding Roger as an actor even if if I do not appreciate some of your comments regarding Roger as Bond.
Was Sean Connery's name on the list when they voted? Come the time of the result the announcement was meant to be 6.2% but they got it wrong? Nah, the vote was rigged.
Should there be a link here? ?:)
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As for Moore trouncing Connery in a vote for favorite Bond, I'm with you - it was fixed!!!
I've got to say your discussion has been interesting. I have always had a soft spot for Roger Moore and usuaaly get a bit irritated at casual dismissal of him. He was undoubtedly successful for the longest period.
I always say you must consider the relative time the films were released. For example I could say that I don't really find Charlie Chaplin very funny, but of course in his day he was hilarious to the audiences of the time and it is unfair to judge him by later standards.
I was glad to see someone mention "Smoky and the Bandit" being a contemporary of Moore's 007. Also the great Clint Eastwood was making such rich character studies as "Every which way but loose" at the time so I think it's worth remembering that Moore, great light comedian that he was, simply reflected the trend in family/action films of the 70's.
I don't think it's fair to blame him for what one might see as a poor Bond movie, especially given the collabarative nature of making Bond movies.
Another point I'd make is that the traditional "event" type feel to a Bond movie, big stunts etc, are almost exclusively in Moore's films, even though to the man in the street those sort of things are part of what makes "classic" JB.
I would never say he's the best, I don't have a favourite Bond actor and that's fine as it works both ways!
Cheers everybody, glad to be back.
Roger Moore 1927-2017