People have thrown personal attacks on me here when discussing James Bond. If we can't discuss politics, we can't discuss Bond either. People's feelings will be hurt, even if we only discussed puppies and kittens.
Or you can completely disagree with certain magnum characters on absolutely everything all the time :007)
Just because I don't despise Tim Dalton doesn't mean we don't share common ground on other bond actors Higgins does it?
I have seen Trump's reply to the question about torture. What he says is that he will rely on the advice and opinion of general Mattis and other top officials around him. But he is very clear on the fact that he himself has no reservations about allowing torture.
I see little reason to be reassured by this. But Trump has brought into his administration people with different opinions. Some of them have spoken in front of the Senate and revealed opinions that are very different to Trump's on key issues in their field. Unorthodox, yes, but hopefully a good sign.
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I don't agree that it always ends in personal attacks. They do end that way quite often, and I too find it disapointing. But I have suggested to ban (for a period) members who uses personal abuse in discussions. This way the Mods target the hotheads and not the entire debate. Give them one warning. If that doesn't work, ban the member from the entire AJB for, say, a week.
There is a reason that politics and religion shouldn't be discussed among friends and family.
Really? How the society we live in in shaped should not be discussed among the persons closest to you? ?:)
I have tried to find the entire interview by ABC, but so far I haven't found it.
He basically says, he believed torture can get results and he is for it within the bounds of US law, he also stated he would trust the advice of pompeo and mattis and if they didn't want to use such methods he would be fine with that too. When asked directly if he thought waterboarding worked he said he did. He tried to illustrate that ISIS are happy to decapitate people and show those images around the world, that they slaughter Christians and Muslims alike and his frustration at the western powers not being allowed to fight fire with fire.
Two things struck me immediately about his comments, first being that the second Iraq war was launched off the back of a captured Al queda member who was high up in command saying Iraq had wmd after being tortured by the cia, he had already been tortured by us military to whom he had divulged a lot of information. In fact they thought he had nothing left to give. President Bush and Powell quoted this guys wmd claims.
He told a lie to stop the cia's torture.
Secondly if we fight fire with fire are we not then the same as the enemy? And do we lose any moral high ground? In the theatre of war I believe we should have a ferocious attitude to these people, but still abide by the Geneva convention. They may flay captives feet and let goats lick salt from them or disembowel captives alive and let the sun cook their insides while they are still alive. But then they are scum. I wonder how many ISIS captives die of asphyxiation during torture? How many need to die before we start looking like monsters?
Sorry, Joshua may have gotten a bit heated, I fail to find the personal insults.
You are welcome to pm me quotes
I didn't particularly mean Joshua and yourself...but the personal insults are many and varied...please feel free to reread the thread -{
And quite a few posts have been removed in that thread...especially where some people get 'over excited' and lose perspective...
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But I have suggested to ban (for a period) members who uses personal abuse in discussions. This way the Mods target the hotheads and not the entire debate. Give them one warning. If that doesn't work, ban the member from the entire AJB for, say, a week.
Excellent - many quiet weeks ahead as most will be banned )
Hopefully most will behave, especially after week deprieved of this excelent forum. The worst hotheads will learn after a bann or two or be made to leave for good. But a clear warning must be given beforehand, a ban only comes after heeding a warning. If a member posts something completely beyond the pale, a ban can follow automatically.
A guy holds up a liquor store, taking the money from the till. He runs out and steals a car. The cops give chase, many fruit carts are overturned, cars crash at intersections, etc.
He manages to evade the police and parks on a yellow line in the next town, where he's picked up for illegal parking. His past deeds are uncovered when he's taken to the station. The judge gives him 10 years.
In the cells, a prisoner asks him what he's in for. He replies, "I parked on a yellow line, and they gave me 10 years".
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Or where exactly is the James Bond discussion in the SABS ?
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Just because I don't despise Tim Dalton doesn't mean we don't share common ground on other bond actors Higgins does it?
Really? How the society we live in in shaped should not be discussed among the persons closest to you? ?:)
I have tried to find the entire interview by ABC, but so far I haven't found it.
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The Trump thread was also in the off-topic.
And it was recently closed because of a disagreement between Joshua and me, none of us have personally attacked each other.
But for the sake of balance, I can throw around some personal insults in other off-topic threads if hat makes you happy
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Higgins, you know full well that we discussed this by PM and I am not about to go into that again.
I see little reason to be reassured by this. But Trump has brought into his administration people with different opinions. Some of them have spoken in front of the Senate and revealed opinions that are very different to Trump's on key issues in their field. Unorthodox, yes, but hopefully a good sign.
That's not true...that thread always ends in personal attacks...which I find disappointing
You are welcome to pm me quotes
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Two things struck me immediately about his comments, first being that the second Iraq war was launched off the back of a captured Al queda member who was high up in command saying Iraq had wmd after being tortured by the cia, he had already been tortured by us military to whom he had divulged a lot of information. In fact they thought he had nothing left to give. President Bush and Powell quoted this guys wmd claims.
He told a lie to stop the cia's torture.
Secondly if we fight fire with fire are we not then the same as the enemy? And do we lose any moral high ground? In the theatre of war I believe we should have a ferocious attitude to these people, but still abide by the Geneva convention. They may flay captives feet and let goats lick salt from them or disembowel captives alive and let the sun cook their insides while they are still alive. But then they are scum. I wonder how many ISIS captives die of asphyxiation during torture? How many need to die before we start looking like monsters?
I didn't particularly mean Joshua and yourself...but the personal insults are many and varied...please feel free to reread the thread -{
And quite a few posts have been removed in that thread...especially where some people get 'over excited' and lose perspective...
And 'quite often' is too often
Excellent - many quiet weeks ahead as most will be banned
He manages to evade the police and parks on a yellow line in the next town, where he's picked up for illegal parking. His past deeds are uncovered when he's taken to the station. The judge gives him 10 years.
In the cells, a prisoner asks him what he's in for. He replies, "I parked on a yellow line, and they gave me 10 years".
If he reopens the Trump thread, I'll never say a negative word about Dalton and his movies
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The Dalton thing or the reopening of he thread?? :v
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