No Compromise - H&K UMP 9mm replica prop

MANDY1

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danjaq_0ff

Cool

richmenstoys

very nice teppo, where did you get the banana mag?

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MANDY1

Banana ?:) Oh, curved H&K 9mm mag - Directly from your country mate, but i had to get a "military pack"

richmenstoys

http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/38458/ump-9-replica-with-handmade-silencer/

wow, i'm very jealous! how can i get a curved mag for my UMP ;(

PPK 7.65mm

Nice work so far, What make and model is the base gun?

richmenstoys

the handle is also different, how did you do that, pal?

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MANDY1

Cheers guys -{ Airsoft UMP is made by company called S&T (Smart Team) based in Far East. They are former employees from a company called ARES, which also made UMP's few years ago. This S&T UMP is fully licensed by UMAREX and H&K.

minigeff

Nice one tep, pretty cool looking thang ya got there. The mag isn't an over engineered one is it? )

Wilde

I like this!

MANDY1

minigeff wrote:

Nice one tep, pretty cool looking thang ya got there. The mag isn't an over engineered one is it? )

You know me too well, i was going for aluminium in the first place but machinist refused to make one

PPK 7.65mm

I just found an airsoft H&K UMP myself at Amazon. While it lacks the trigger diagram, I am sure I can create one myself via photoshop or a simlar program. I am thrilled that soon I will have one of my collecting "holy grails" in my collection.

minigeff

I dunno if this is legal but hell it looks cool;

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hkpro-members-gallery/158383-22-ump-sl8-g36.html

Mr Webber

Nice catch, was thinking about how to get one of those into Australia the other day, I have a special import permit, but the airsoft would have to be decommissioned. On the list. -{
Oh, what are you going to use for the silencer?

ke02eww

Hey teppo,

This is our version... Pretty close... I can send you some close ups if you'd like...

But love your version... We skimped when it came to the banana...

Cheers Paul

don p

ke02eww wrote:

Hey teppo,

This is our version... Pretty close... I can send you some close ups if you'd like...

But love your version... We skimped when it came to the banana...

Cheers Paul

great pic,, and nice cars behind,,

MANDY1

ke02eww wrote:

Hey teppo,

This is our version... Pretty close... I can send you some close ups if you'd like...

But love your version... We skimped when it came to the banana...

Cheers Paul

Thanks Paul -{ Sure i'd love to see some close-ups of your version, drop me e-mail via my profile :007)

Great display {[]

MANDY1

PPK 7.65mm wrote:

I just found an airsoft H&K UMP myself at Amazon. While it lacks the trigger diagram, I am sure I can create one myself via photoshop or a simlar program. I am thrilled that soon I will have one of my collecting "holy grails" in my collection.

Nice one -{ Just out of curiosity, which make did you go for?

MANDY1

minigeff wrote:

I dunno if this is legal but hell it looks cool;

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hkpro-members-gallery/158383-22-ump-sl8-g36.html

Wow...nice dress-ups!

minigeff

Teppo wrote:

minigeff wrote:

I dunno if this is legal but hell it looks cool;

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hkpro-members-gallery/158383-22-ump-sl8-g36.html

Wow...nice dress-ups!

Innit, I'm considering this as a way forward....

Guess it'd be skating pretty close to UK law though.

MANDY1

minigeff wrote:

Teppo wrote:

minigeff wrote:

I dunno if this is legal but hell it looks cool;

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hkpro-members-gallery/158383-22-ump-sl8-g36.html

Wow...nice dress-ups!

Innit, I'm considering this as a way forward....

Guess it'd be skating pretty close to UK law though.

Yeah, i have no clue how customized for instance .22 rifle can legally be...

pimp da rifle

I can imagine you going to the range with .22 modified to look like M200 Cheytac for example...

minigeff

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Well if you take the action of a rifle and sit it in a new stock it's fine....

MANDY1

minigeff wrote:

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Well if you take the action of a rifle and sit it in a new stock it's fine....

hmm, just wondering where they draw the line regarding dress-ups in UK as
it looks that stateside it's legit to do quite pretentious dressings.

minigeff

Well UK law states that its illegal to make a RIF (replica imitation firearm), but what if you fit a real firearm action to an airsoft casing?

It's a replica sure, but it's not an imitation, it'd be a real firearm.

I think if you started sawing barrels off etc then it'd be another matter, but as long as you stick within the UK's definition of a 'rifle' then it could be ok.

Anyone wanna hazard a guess?

I've just seen the price of a replica L85A2, and by the time you buy enough stuff to make it happen you may as well go buy a sig sauer 522 )

ics

very nice Teppo -{

MANDY1

Cheers Ian -{ Honestly I merely did nothing else than bought some parts and put them together, bloody silencer lost in the transit though

ppw3o6r

minigeff wrote:

Well UK law states that its illegal to make a RIF (replica imitation firearm), but what if you fit a real firearm action to an airsoft casing?

It's a replica sure, but it's not an imitation, it'd be a real firearm.

I think if you started sawing barrels off etc then it'd be another matter, but as long as you stick within the UK's definition of a 'rifle' then it could be ok.

Anyone wanna hazard a guess?

I've just seen the price of a replica L85A2, and by the time you buy enough stuff to make it happen you may as well go buy a sig sauer 522 )

Hey Micro,

These do look the dogs B's but one thing you may want to consider is manufacturers such as H&K, Steyr, Glock & Walther produce their casings out of polymer alloys because it's light & strong as steel. Airsoft casings are made out of plastic which looks the same but that is where the similarities end even those made under license such as Umarex branded products. This is a bit like putting a steel slide 9mm P99 next to an Umarex PAK 9mm P99 with a magnesium slide which are both made for very different purposes. Not sure how the components even casings would hold out "Safely" for live fire?

Donk -{

minigeff

Just a little update with regards 'redressing' a firearm by fitting it into the shell of an airsoft gun;

The VCRA act 2006 states that;


Meaning of “realistic imitation firearm”
In sections 36 and 37 “realistic imitation firearm” means an imitation firearm which—
(a) has an appearance that is so realistic as to make it indistinguishable, for all practical purposes, from a real firearm; and
(b) is neither a de-activated firearm nor itself an antique.


So by definition, a redressed gun, ie an airsoft gun with a real firearm action inside is classed as a RIF (realistic imitation firearm)

Therefore, under section 36, subsection 1 of the VCRA act 2006;


Manufacture, import and sale of realistic imitation firearms
A person is guilty of an offence if—
(a) he manufactures a realistic imitation firearm;
(b) he modifies an imitation firearm so that it becomes a realistic imitation firearm;
(c) he sells a realistic imitation firearm; or
(d) he brings a realistic imitation firearm into Great Britain or causes one to
be brought into Great Britain.


So I'm afraid redressing looks to be illegal in the UK.

minigeff

ppw3o6r wrote:

minigeff wrote:

Well UK law states that its illegal to make a RIF (replica imitation firearm), but what if you fit a real firearm action to an airsoft casing?

It's a replica sure, but it's not an imitation, it'd be a real firearm.

I think if you started sawing barrels off etc then it'd be another matter, but as long as you stick within the UK's definition of a 'rifle' then it could be ok.

Anyone wanna hazard a guess?

I've just seen the price of a replica L85A2, and by the time you buy enough stuff to make it happen you may as well go buy a sig sauer 522 )

Hey Micro,

These do look the dogs B's but one thing you may want to consider is manufacturers such as H&K, Steyr, Glock & Walther produce their casings out of polymer alloys because it's light & strong as steel. Airsoft casings are made out of plastic which looks the same but that is where the similarities end even those made under license such as Umarex branded products. This is a bit like putting a steel slide 9mm P99 next to an Umarex PAK 9mm P99 with a magnesium slide which are both made for very different purposes. Not sure how the components even casings would hold out "Safely" for live fire?

Donk -{

Well as far as loosing your hand goes, what the guy in the states has done (link above in previous post) is fit real firearms, in their entirety inside the plastic casings of airsoft guns.

In some shots you can see that ejections ports and cocking levers aren't in the right places, but cos its all black it's pretty hard to make out.

As far as safety is concerned, I guess as long as you don't modify the firearm parts then you should be fairly safe, as long as the firearm is mounted securely and access to the safety catch isn't impeded.

As for the casings standing up to the recoil forces, that's another matter..

MANDY1

Very good and valid points there regarding materials, Donk -{

minigeff

The wording 'realistic imitation firearm' is, IMO pretty sneeky.

You could easily think of a RIF as something looks like a gun but doesn't operate like one, for example a cigarette lighter shaped like a pistol.

However you could easily overlook another aspect of it, that is a RIF could also be a real gun masquerading as another real gun for example a Marlin 795 lightweight sporting rifle being made to look like a H&K 9mm UMP....

So the verdict for us saps in the UK;

Is redressing illegal? Most probably

Is it safe to do anyway? Probably not

Conclusion; Don't even think about it.