So is AVTAK more popular than DAD?

Jarvio

Back in the day, before DAD came out, AVTAK was widely regarded as perhaps the worst bond movie ever (if you've read my posts in the past, you'll know that I LOVE AVTAK btw). Many fans put it rock bottom on their list, or near the bottom. However, I think DAD has now replaced AVTAK as the "overall least popular bond film". Would you agree?

Peppermill

I think DAD is regarded as the worst Bond movie among die hard fans.

Golrush007

I wouldn't want to speak for Bond fans in general, but DAD is at the bottom of my list..

Hardyboy

Maybe. I think AVTAK has picked up some nostaligia-glitter. . .the last Bond film for both Roger Moore and Lois Maxwell; the last Bond film with an Avengers connection (Patrick Macnee); the last Bond film done in the campy 1970s style; and the most '80s-looking of all the '80s films, with the Duran Duran song, Grace Jones in all her outfits, the Silicon Valley plot, you name it. Looking at it now is a bit like looking into a time capsule. Also, a lot of people absolutely love Christopher Walken's Zorin (gee, I wonder who. . .), although I personally think that--like I said about Christopher Lee's Scaramanga--fans may be responding more to the actor than to his character. Anyway, who knows what we'll think of DAD in another 20 years?

Jarvio

Hardyboy wrote:

Also, a lot of people absolutely love Christopher Walken's Zorin (gee, I wonder who. . .),

Hardyboy wrote:

Anyway, who knows what we'll think of DAD in another 20 years?

Very true. DAD may pick up some "nostalgia-glitter" too. I guess time will tell...

Blackleiter

I'm a die hard Bond fan, and AVTAK is still at the bottom of my list. I also like DAD more than TMWTGG.

Peppermill wrote:

I think DAD is regarded as the worst Bond movie among die hard fans.

welshboy78

I was very young when AVTAK came out hence have great memories of it! It's above a fair few Bonds on my list!!

BIG TAM

I think Hardboy's right. The passage of time has warmed people's hearts to dear old Roger's swansong. I too used to consider A VIEW TO A KILL less favourably but now find it a pleasing two hour diversion. But then to sit on my fence of indecision, I actually feel the same about DIE ANOTHER DAY. I've said elswhere that I can't honestly see what the problem is with that film apart from it being just a bit too in-your-face in the last act. Stauncher supporters will disagree but to me it's a given that neither film compares to the acknowledged 'classics' of the series, so they fall into the 'fun Bonds' camp. And by that criteria surely they fulfil their roles very well indeed.

Golrush007

AVTAK was one of the first Bonds I saw, when my dad and I used to rent the Bond films on videotape when I was young, and I remember enjoying it. Since then, I've rewatched it many times and although I think it is one of the lesser Bond films and not particularly memorable, it is one that I have always enjoyed rewatching.

Napoleon Plural

They have something in common; both sort of killed the franchise, in both cases leading to a grittier Bond next time out. However, I never really got the hate for AVTAK, it seemed popular enough at the time, dunno, I liked it. Got a great reception at Odeon Leceister Square. Great song, John Barry score, still I'm repeating myself.

DAD was just too much all round, and in your face about it. I think it kind of sucker punched folk, because let's face it, the ones who hate AVTAK sort of tend to be the Moore haters anyway, but the ones who hate DAD like myself were often quite okay with Brozzer and hoped this would be a gritty, believable Bond with outlandish elements. I liked TWINE, so this seemed a big step backwards.

SilentSpy

I enjoy A View to a Kill. It's easily better than DAD and QoS, the two worst Bond films to me.

chrisisall

Jarvio wrote:

Back in the day, before DAD came out, AVTAK was widely regarded as perhaps the worst bond movie ever (if you've read my posts in the past, you'll know that I LOVE AVTAK btw). Many fans put it rock bottom on their list, or near the bottom. However, I think DAD has now replaced AVTAK as the "overall least popular bond film". Would you agree?

No, I disagree. While not in any way a favourite of mine, it was still miles ahead of Moonraker, the worst Bond film until DAD. MR & DAD are the only two I just can't bring myself to ever watch again. I'll take screetchy Tanya Roberts over MR-Jaws or Robo-Gustav any time. )

chrisisall

SilentSpy wrote:

I enjoy A View to a Kill. It's easily better than DAD and QoS, the two worst Bond films to me.

QoS is a masterpiece compared to DAD IMO. 8-)

Jarvio

Just to make clear, I LOVE A View To A Kill, I'm just talking about mass opinions

Moore Than

When I first discovered the Bond forums I was surprised just how lowly ranked A View To A Kill was. Yes, there is The Beach Boys, Keystone Cops, Stacey Sutton etc. But for me, it has one of the better villains and one of the better endings, memorable characters such as Sir Godfrey Tibbett, May Day and Pola Ivanova, a good score and title song, and also good in terms of the visuals.

It's certainly more popular with me than Die Another Day, which has a mainly enjoyable first half but then falls apart with the parasurfing sequence, Robocop Graves, etc. And also suffers due to some appalling dialogue and poor acting.

Thunderbird 2

For me personally I rate AVTAK at the bottom of the list, with DAD and Moonraker comparable. - Both had a tech excess, and one or two visual gags that were too much. - Nevertheless, I still really enjoy them both. I think my problem with AVTAK in part is because I see details of its structure are just too similar to Goldfinger, but the storyline seems flimsy when compared to the Connery era film? The other elements are the fact that Sir Roger does look a little old for the role here, - even though he looks great within himself, and the Stacey character simply doesn't work.

I have to admit like SilentSpy I was not impressed by QoS. However that is more about the awful editing and confusing storyline. However, I have no doubt there will be people who hate CR, TWINE, TLD, FYEO and Goldfinger, my favorite films for each actor. (Lazenby excepted as he only did one, as good as OHMSS is!).

Re the masses? I can't comment on that. ?:)

Dalkowski110

I rate AVTAK pretty low (although not my least favorite Moore Bond film...that would be MR), but not as low as DAD. To me, you'd almost have to try to make a worse film than DAD's second half (which completely ruined its first half, and even then, that was kinda spotty).

James Suzuki

For me, i rate QOS, DAD,DAF, NSNA, OHMSS below it

chrisisall

xboy614 wrote:

For me, i rate .... OHMSS below it

Walthers at dawn, then.

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Blood_Stone

The main reason? Duran Duran > Madonna

vanguard

AVTAK was my first Bond theater experience till then it was cable for the two 83 releases and ABC for the others. Such a timepiece of the 80s with some solid setpieces like the Eiffel Tower jump and chase and a great tandem of Moore and McNee. Warm feelings help me ignore Walken's somewhat indifferent Zorin, Tanya Roberts' "James", and it's heavy American action leanings in the second half of the film.

Brosnan is by far my least favorite Bond. Too much of either a pitch man, and more of a natural in enigmatic roles like the Tailor of Panama and Thomas Crowne than he was in the bloated Bond films. The last Bond in Japan for me. Sadly in the year of Korea Japan World Cup, the scenes in Korea were done on the cheap in Wales. Such a waste, iceland - 2nd unit and Pinewood! I was so thrilled to see CR. The worst in the series by far.

Higgins

Being always a Sir Roger supporter, I regard AVTAK a bit lower than DAD.
Talking about my personal low-entry of the season:

Surprise, surprise, it's NOT TLD or LTK (for all the TD fanboys here ) and QoS:

DAF is the worst for for me by a mile!

dr. evan-gelist

Both films are above Daniel Craigs films for me. Lets hope SkyFall proves me wrong.

chrisisall

dr. evan-gelist wrote:

Both films are above Daniel Craigs films for me.

Wow.

Blackleiter

Yeah - WOW!!!

chrisisall wrote:

dr. evan-gelist wrote:

Both films are above Daniel Craigs films for me.

Wow.

Scrummy64

Max Zorin is one of my favourite Bond villains, by a long shot, but on the whole I probably prefer Die Another Day - although it's worth noting that I don't actually dislike Die Another Day in the slightest. I think the problem is that A View to a Kill seems to take quite a long time to get going; most of the action scenes throughout the first half are fairly... well, dull, in my opinion. Believe me, A View to a Kill is nowhere near the bottom of my list, but it is the only one I can think of which starts off that slowly. If it wasn't for Walken, it probably would be near the bottom.

dr. evan-gelist

Blackleiter wrote:

Yeah - WOW!!!

chrisisall wrote:

dr. evan-gelist wrote:

Both films are above Daniel Craigs films for me.

Wow.

Sorry but daniel craig for me has ruined the series as bond. maybe i am wrong, to me he lacks plausible emotion and looks indestructable unlike moore and dalton.

Peppermill

I'm sorry if I've offended anyone in my previous post. What I meant was that I think that most people here on AJB rank DAD below AVTAK. This is based on nothing, just what I noticed in the 'ultimate ranking' tread.

welshboy78

dr. evan-gelist wrote:

Sorry but daniel craig for me has ruined the series as bond

DC and Casino Royale saved the series in my opinion and gave it a good kick up the arse from its stale state I think the fuss and acclaim Casino Royale produced sort of proves it was a good decision!

Thunderbird 2

welshboy78 wrote:

DC and Casino Royale saved the series in my opinion and gave it a good kick up the arse from its stale state I think the fuss and acclaim Casino Royale produced sort of proves it was a good decision!

Hear - hear, here! If we ever meet, your first drink is on me! -{

welshboy78

Thunderbird 2 wrote:

welshboy78 wrote:

DC and Casino Royale saved the series in my opinion and gave it a good kick up the arse from its stale state I think the fuss and acclaim Casino Royale produced sort of proves it was a good decision!

Hear - hear, here! If we ever meet, your first Vesper (drink!) is on me! -{

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