Top 10 Problems With DAD
Jarvio
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There’s no denying that DAD is low on most bond fans’ lists. And my list is no exception to that. I don’t want to beat a dead horse, as the many problems of DAD have been discussed to death. But I think it’s interesting for those people who don’t like DAD to list in WHAT ORDER the problems would rank from most tolerable to least tolerable. In other words, which problems badly effect DAD more than others....
So, here’s my top 10 worst problems in DAD:
10 – The Theme Song
I never usually pass judgement on a bond film due to it’s theme song. And to be honest I’m being picky here just to fill my top 10 list. But still, to me, DAD is one of the worst theme songs in bond history.
9 – Toby Stephen’s Acting
I’m going to admit that I’m with the minority in that I didn’t mind Gustav Graves as a villain. I didn’t like him that much either mind you, but still, I didn’t hate him like most others do, and did find him somewhat interesting and unique. However, IMO Toby Stephens was just really poor at acting. He did however improve as the film went on though, which is why it’s at my number 9.
8 – The Dialogue
Like many have said, DAD has some of the worst, if not THE worst dialogue in the entire series. Mr Kil’s introduction, Jinx’s "going down together" line, and Jinx’s "leave it in" line come to mind... Speaking of Jinx...
7 – Jinx
I honestly think she is the worst bond girl out of the lot. But I suppose that’s just my personal preference, and I do think the bad script effected her character. Moving on...
6 – Falco
What a terrible character. Not only was he acted badly, but the character was just.... I dunno.... very unlikable. Maybe that was the point with him, but I still can’t stand him. Luckily though, he didn’t have a massive part.
5 – Madonna’s Cameo
She was acted awfully and her character was also awful and pointless. I just can’t believe they actually went through with it.
4 – Mr Kil and Vladimir Popov
These are two of the worst henchmen in bond history. Especially Mr Kil, who I would say is THE worst henchman in bond history, and to be honest, probably the worst character in general too. His acting was just atrocious. When he said “I’ll just use the laser”.... my lord, this man makes Goldie seem good in TWINE.
3 – The Invisible Car
I’d imagine that this will be high on most people’s lists. It’s obviously ridiculous without a doubt. Not much more to say than that really, but I do feel it really damaged the film.
2 – The Martix-Esque Slow-Motion Sequences
Why were these even used? Just why? There was absolutely no reason to include them. They looked bad. They were pointless. And they ruined action sequences full stop. For me, this really badly harmed the film, and is second only to one other flaw...
1 – The CGI
So here we have it, my number 1 problem with DAD. The terrible CGI is just something I cannot get past. In places it’s ok, but in many places it just looks so fake that it’s unreal. The very worst bit of CGI is the parasailing scene, just after bond is hanging from the edge of the ice cliff. Both the ice cliff and the parasailing scene (and especially the parasailing scene) look so fake that I am honestly baffled as to how they were actually allowed to be used on the finished project in their state. Honestly, I am shocked by this. The parasailing sequence has to be the worst scene in bond history.
So, what’s other people’s top 10 worst problems with DAD?
Note – I was going to list the best things about DAD too, but I can honestly only think of 4: Pierce’s performance, John Cleese, The PTS, and Miranda Frost
So, here’s my top 10 worst problems in DAD:
10 – The Theme Song
I never usually pass judgement on a bond film due to it’s theme song. And to be honest I’m being picky here just to fill my top 10 list. But still, to me, DAD is one of the worst theme songs in bond history.
9 – Toby Stephen’s Acting
I’m going to admit that I’m with the minority in that I didn’t mind Gustav Graves as a villain. I didn’t like him that much either mind you, but still, I didn’t hate him like most others do, and did find him somewhat interesting and unique. However, IMO Toby Stephens was just really poor at acting. He did however improve as the film went on though, which is why it’s at my number 9.
8 – The Dialogue
Like many have said, DAD has some of the worst, if not THE worst dialogue in the entire series. Mr Kil’s introduction, Jinx’s "going down together" line, and Jinx’s "leave it in" line come to mind... Speaking of Jinx...
7 – Jinx
I honestly think she is the worst bond girl out of the lot. But I suppose that’s just my personal preference, and I do think the bad script effected her character. Moving on...
6 – Falco
What a terrible character. Not only was he acted badly, but the character was just.... I dunno.... very unlikable. Maybe that was the point with him, but I still can’t stand him. Luckily though, he didn’t have a massive part.
5 – Madonna’s Cameo
She was acted awfully and her character was also awful and pointless. I just can’t believe they actually went through with it.
4 – Mr Kil and Vladimir Popov
These are two of the worst henchmen in bond history. Especially Mr Kil, who I would say is THE worst henchman in bond history, and to be honest, probably the worst character in general too. His acting was just atrocious. When he said “I’ll just use the laser”.... my lord, this man makes Goldie seem good in TWINE.
3 – The Invisible Car
I’d imagine that this will be high on most people’s lists. It’s obviously ridiculous without a doubt. Not much more to say than that really, but I do feel it really damaged the film.
2 – The Martix-Esque Slow-Motion Sequences
Why were these even used? Just why? There was absolutely no reason to include them. They looked bad. They were pointless. And they ruined action sequences full stop. For me, this really badly harmed the film, and is second only to one other flaw...
1 – The CGI
So here we have it, my number 1 problem with DAD. The terrible CGI is just something I cannot get past. In places it’s ok, but in many places it just looks so fake that it’s unreal. The very worst bit of CGI is the parasailing scene, just after bond is hanging from the edge of the ice cliff. Both the ice cliff and the parasailing scene (and especially the parasailing scene) look so fake that I am honestly baffled as to how they were actually allowed to be used on the finished project in their state. Honestly, I am shocked by this. The parasailing sequence has to be the worst scene in bond history.
So, what’s other people’s top 10 worst problems with DAD?
Note – I was going to list the best things about DAD too, but I can honestly only think of 4: Pierce’s performance, John Cleese, The PTS, and Miranda Frost
1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
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The one thing that really kicks my butt about this movie is the gunbarrel sequence, whoever thought of the idea of a bullet flying into the gunbarrel should be shot. If anything the bullet should have gone above the barrel to make it seem like the other shooter got hit.
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I have to admit that my theme song gripe was rather picky, just done to fill my top 10... I by no means like the song, but it doesn't bother me TOO much..... but as for Madonna's cameo, it really does bother me. I suppose it was brief though thankfully.
Part of me is wanting to actually put the matrixy sequences at the top, even above the CGI.... but I'm not sure.
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
9. Vlad. Umm...did they WANT this guy to resemble Dwight Frye's interpretation of Renfield, or was that an accident?
8. Mr. Kil. When was the last time you saw a character inserted into a movie for the sole purpose of setting up a one-liner?
7. The plot holes large enough to fly the Spruce Goose through. Like M blaming the CIA for not telling them about Miranda Frost's fencing team. Uhh, pardon me, but wouldn't MI6 do slightly better background checks than what was (unintentionally) implied? How about firing one missile as Icarus, having it blow up, and then freaking out? Why not just fire a couple of missiles at it simultaneously instead of one? How about Zao not getting any form of surgery to remove the diamonds from his face? What quack of a doctor did he go to?
6. Jinx. Bad attitude, worse acting, even worse scripting.
5. An invisible car.
4. The WAY over-the-top double entendre. When Austin Powers starts out-doing you, just put it away...
3. The aforementioned weird, Matrix-like sequences.
2. The horrible CGI.
1. The very idea of Bond wind-surfing to escape a death ray.
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I thought that it was quite cool that they used the Moonraker novel as the basis for the Gustav Graves character but unfortunately they added a lot of rubbish that ruined it all.
I agree with most of the things on Jarvio's list, although Falco was one of the characters I liked, probably just because I've always liked Michael Madsen.
Well I already established that it's all been said before. The way this thread is different to the others is that it rank-orders the problems, rather than just mentioning them. It did cross my mind when making this thread that 'this has been said before', but I thought this was different enough as it's rank-ordering
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
And I like to see the stunts done in camera rather than CGI'd, I can
forgive the Invisible car, Although still think they could of given him
the white lotus and saved some cash, You wouldn't of seen it in the
snow.
All true enough. I think the problem is that the first half is so promising that the terrible second half really stands out. In addition I offer one word. Jinx.
Yes, Jinx. If you eliminate her, the movie may not be so hated. I cringe when she speaks.
10 – The Theme Song
Same point still stands, but I admit, this is a picky one just to fill my top 10.
9 – Toby Stephen’s Acting
Again, same point still stands - He improves throughout the film though, so it's not TOO bad.
8 – Falco
I still hate him, but whatever, he wasn't in it that much anyway...
7 – Madonna’s Cameo
Terrible, but having said that, only brief thankfully.
6 – Mr Kil and Vladimir Popov
These are still very awful henchmen. And I still think that Mr Kil is the worst of the worst. But I guess it's not the end of the world, as they only had small parts.
5 – The Invisible Car
Ok, I've bumped this down my list, because, even though it is awful, at least I can laugh at it.
4 – The Dialogue
Worse than I remember.... really some silly lines in this movie. Most came from Jinx.
3 – Jinx
I hate her even more now. Yep, definitely the worst bond girl of all time. Sorry Jinx fans.
2 – The CGI
So what do ya know... the CGI has been topped. Yes it's awful. And yes, the ice cliff/parasailing scene is the worst scene in bond history. But you know what... something is even worse than it...
1 – The Martix-Esque Slow-Motion Sequences
There we have it. My new number 1. They had no business to be in there and completely ruined several scenes.
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
In my honest opinion, I find Jinx far worse than any of those.
Rosie Carver was pretty bad... but she wasn't in it much.
Stacy Sutton.... not as bad as people paint her to be IMO... not great by all means, but I do think people overreact with her.
And to be honest, to be controversial, I don't find Jinx to be very good eye-candy either (not in DAD anyway). I'm not a fan of the short-hair look (no offense to any short-haired women on here, just my personal taste!)
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
Michelle Yeoh did it better by just being herself. -{
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Agree 100%.
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Come on. Yes, she has a rocking body but then she tries to run her hands through her lack of hair.....it just looks ridiculous. Watch that scene again. That scene with a woman with long hair would have been great. I think her short hair is what keeps this scene from being as iconic as Honey Rider's.
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I assume it was one of the (many) homages to the bond films
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby