What I'm suggesting is Craig-Bond running through walls and breaking door handles off is just as daft as Rog's eyebrow
raising, corny humour and grandfather action-man schtick.
I cannot subscribe to that interpretation.
I've punched through drywall, and twisted open (& OFF)a locked doorknob with my hands only, and I'm no superman.
But why? Why would that be done in a Bond film for anything other than laughs????
I like Craig very much as Bond. In fact I am constantly amazed at the sensitivity of other Craig fans in cases like this where they instantly jump to his defence when it is not necessary.
But no one runs through a wall when it is easier to run through the space next to it. No one breaks a door handle of with Craig's Hulk-like ease (chrisisall's example notwithstanding )
The sole reason for running through walls and breakin doors handles is to maintain the humour of the Bond films whcih reached its zenith with Rog's tenure and which was probably only totally purged in LTK.
The reason Craig-Bond does those things is not for logic, but for laughs.
That is part and parcel of the Bond series. The Craig Bond's are NOT dead-pan Le Carre spy films, and there is no intention or reason they should be.
Now, CR is a better film than TLD, TLD on a par with QOS, IMO. But LTK is a better film than the lot.
Does that clarify and return to topic for those afraid that threads might be ruined?
But no one runs through a wall when it is easier to run through the space next to it.
There was no space next to it, there was a space OVER it, and Bond had no intention of instantly becoming a parkour expert when a drywall was available.
No one breaks a door handle of with Craig's Hulk-like ease (chrisisall's example notwithstanding )
Most handles are made like crap. You could do what you saw Bond do, it just never occurred to you that you could is all.
It's less complicated overall than you seem to want to make it IMO.
But no one runs through a wall when it is easier to run through the space next to it.
There was no space next to it, there was a space OVER it, and Bond had no intention of instantly becoming a parkour expert when a drywall was available.
No one breaks a door handle of with Craig's Hulk-like ease (chrisisall's example notwithstanding )
Most handles are made like crap. You could do what you saw Bond do, it just never occurred to you that you could is all.
It's less complicated overall than you seem to want to make it IMO.
Sorry, we will continue to disagree.
No one runs through a wall, breaks off a door handle deliberatley, however "easy" (?) it might apparently be, rather than avoid doing it (your reasoning that Craig easily bust the door handle (!) to prevent a corpse being found is evasion; if the body HAD been found, what effect on Bond would it have had....?) These actions are ludicrous. However super-human you or DC-Bond may be.
But you seem to want to intellectualise Craig's Bond, make them into straight thrillers, by denying the existence in them of the humour inherant in post-70s Bonds, and that is only an upward trend on the 60s originals.
It might be that there is a difference in what is considered funny between a Brit and a USA Bond fan but I do think you are not accepting what's really there. Remember, the Bonds are made for the wider multi-plex audience, not you, the knowing Bond fan,and the "average" Bond fan expects humour in the movies, not straight thrillers which you seem to make them. The two Craig gags mentioned get laughs in the cinema, as is intended by EON. Remember, the film which did not fulfill the "traditional" formula - LTK - might have been a hit with Bond fans like me, but to the general audience it was too dark and HUMOURLESSS...
But no one runs through a wall when it is easier to run through the space next to it.
There was no space next to it, there was a space OVER it, and Bond had no intention of instantly becoming a parkour expert when a drywall was available.
No one breaks a door handle of with Craig's Hulk-like ease (chrisisall's example notwithstanding )
Most handles are made like crap. You could do what you saw Bond do, it just never occurred to you that you could is all.
It's less complicated overall than you seem to want to make it IMO.
Sorry, we will continue to disagree.
No one runs through a wall, breaks off a door handle deliberatley, however "easy" (?) it might apparently be, rather than avoid doing it (your reasoning that Craig easily bust the door handle (!) to prevent a corpse being found is evasion; if the body HAD been found, what effect on Bond would it have had....? These actions are ludicrous. However super-human you or DC-Bond may be.
But you seem to want to intellectualise Craig's Bond, make them into straight thrillers, by denying the existence in them of the humour inherant in post-70s Bonds, and that is only an upward trend on the 60s originals.
It might be that there is a difference in what is considered funny between a Brit and a USA Bond fan but I do think you are not accepting what's really there. Remember, the Bonds are made for the wider multi-plex audience, not you, the knowing Bond fan,and the "average" Bond fan expects humour in the movies, not straight thrillers which you seem to make them. The two Craig gags mentioned get laughs in the cinema, as is intended by EON. Remember, the film which did not fulfill the "traditional" formula - LTK - might have been a hit with Bond fans like me, but to the general audience it was too dark and HUMOURLESSS...
Well I'm a Brit, and I can't see what you're talking about
Okay, so him running through the wall made me smile, but overall it was to show him as a 'blunt instrument' who takes the easier option, than having to jump through a very narrow opening, which like someone here states, was done by a parkour expert... so it seems the right thing to do at the time. (Or rather, the easiest option) He knew it was a building site... that was obvious, so to run through dry wall hardly seems difficult.
As for the handle breaking... now that wasn't meant to be funny... it was practical - to stop people from finding the dead body.... I can't see that this is even in discussion.. someone of Bond's strength could do this easily and seems like a very Bondian thing to do, IMO ?:)
She's worth whatever chaos she brings to the table and you know it. ~ Mark Anthony
There was no space next to it, there was a space OVER it, and Bond had no intention of instantly becoming a parkour expert when a drywall was available.
Most handles are made like crap. You could do what you saw Bond do, it just never occurred to you that you could is all.
It's less complicated overall than you seem to want to make it IMO.
Sorry, we will continue to disagree.
No one runs through a wall, breaks off a door handle deliberatley, however "easy" (?) it might apparently be, rather than avoid doing it (your reasoning that Craig easily bust the door handle (!) to prevent a corpse being found is evasion; if the body HAD been found, what effect on Bond would it have had....? These actions are ludicrous. However super-human you or DC-Bond may be.
But you seem to want to intellectualise Craig's Bond, make them into straight thrillers, by denying the existence in them of the humour inherant in post-70s Bonds, and that is only an upward trend on the 60s originals.
It might be that there is a difference in what is considered funny between a Brit and a USA Bond fan but I do think you are not accepting what's really there. Remember, the Bonds are made for the wider multi-plex audience, not you, the knowing Bond fan,and the "average" Bond fan expects humour in the movies, not straight thrillers which you seem to make them. The two Craig gags mentioned get laughs in the cinema, as is intended by EON. Remember, the film which did not fulfill the "traditional" formula - LTK - might have been a hit with Bond fans like me, but to the general audience it was too dark and HUMOURLESSS...
Well I'm a Brit, and I can't see what you're talking about
Okay, so him running through the wall made me smile, but overall it was to show him as a 'blunt instrument' who takes the easier option, than having to jump through a very narrow opening, which like someone here states, was done by a parkour expert... so it seems the right thing to do at the time. (Or rather, the easiest option) He knew it was a building site... that was obvious, so to run through dry wall hardly seems difficult.
As for the handle breaking... now that wasn't meant to be funny... it was practical - to stop people from finding the dead body.... I can't see that this is even in discussion.. someone of Bond's strength could do this easily and seems like a very Bondian thing to do, IMO ?:)
"I can't see that this is evn in discussion"????? FFFS.
What are you, a Nazi?
It's in discussion because its my opinion that's why. Agree or disagree there has to be a element of free speech on AJB for differing opinions and THE RIGHT TO AIR THEM!!!????
However, I leave you and chrisisall with your views which I am happy for you to have.
"I can't see that this is evn in discussion"????? FFFS.
What are you, a Nazi?
It's in discussion because its my opinion that's why. Agree or disagree there has to be a element of free speech on AJB for differing opinions and THE RIGHT TO AIR THEM!!!????
However, I leave you and chrisisall with your views which I am happy for you to have.
I've been called a lot of things in my life, but a Nazi????
Wow.... mature.
It was a turn of phrase, to emphasise my surprise, but perhaps you don't like it when someone disagrees with you ?:)
And thank you for letting me have my opinon.... really kind of you.
She's worth whatever chaos she brings to the table and you know it. ~ Mark Anthony
"I can't see that this is evn in discussion"????? FFFS.
What are you, a Nazi?
It's in discussion because its my opinion that's why. Agree or disagree there has to be a element of free speech on AJB for differing opinions and THE RIGHT TO AIR THEM!!!????
However, I leave you and chrisisall with your views which I am happy for you to have.
I've been called a lot of things in my life, but a Nazi????
Wow.... mature.
It was a turn of phrase, to emphasise my surprise, but perhaps you don't like it when someone disagrees with you ?:)
And thank you for letting me have my opinon.... really kind of you.
So you don't think I have an opinion worth airing, get criticized for your failure to allow others to express their views... then come across as sarky morally outraged....
TLD is near the top of my Bond film list, because they tried to make the story more realistic and Dalton came closest in the looks and behavior department when it came to portraying Fleming's idea of Bond.
I agree with your entire post, CmdrAtticus. I would also put The Living Daylights near the top of my list if only for Dalton's terrific performance as Bond, and I definitely agree he came closest to Fleming's vision of Bond. I also agree that what drags the movie down is Whitaker, and the "left overs", if I can call it that, from the Moore era.
Dalton's Bond brought a refreshing change back to its roots. While I do think that it was fantastic that the producers decided to bring back Fleming's Bond after all these years, but I think they should consistently produce movies with a Bond that echoes Fleming's Bond all the time. Dalton's stint lasted too short. They eventually got back to the over-the-top silliness Die Another Day, only for Craig to bring the seriousness back into it again.
As far as I'm concerned, the "lighter" side of Bond should be put in a closet and never again opened. Dalton's (and to a lesser extent, Craig's) darker Bond is the way the character should be portrayed. I don't think there's anywhere near enough of that in the Bond series.
So you don't think I have an opinion worth airing, get criticized for your failure to allow others to express their views... then come across as sarky morally outraged....
okay, if you're going to misquote me, and put words in my mouth, then let me explain:
No one runs through a wall, breaks off a door handle deliberately, however "easy" (?) it might apparently be, rather than avoid doing it (your reasoning that Craig easily bust the door handle (!) to prevent a corpse being found is evasion;
Really?.... That seems a pretty definitive statement....almost like saying that no one can, or should, or would....
I retorted with "I can't see that this is even in discussion" as I know that breaking a door handle in this situation seems perfectly plausable and the right thing to do in that situation. How else would you stop people from entering that bathroom??? Also, it has been done, and quoted as such by chrisisall
I've punched through drywall, and twisted open (& OFF)a locked doorknob with my hands only, and I'm no superman.
So inadvertently you were calling him a liar
However what I didn't say was.... "I can't see that this is even in discussion, and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong, and NOT allowed to any opinion on it"
....someone of Bond's strength could do this easily and seems like a very Bondian thing to do, IMO
so show me where I say you're "not entitled to your opinion",.... I even stated I was airing mine, by using IMO (that's an acronym for 'In My Opinion'....) to allow you to yours. 8-)
Are there rules on this site that say "You're not allowed to disagree with someones statement?"
Thought not.
She's worth whatever chaos she brings to the table and you know it. ~ Mark Anthony
Schofield, besides of your obvious lack of manners, do you have any shame?
I have reported your post and hope that the mods will give you the necessry timeout 8-)
Lexi, though I have nothing to do with that guy, I apologize on behalf of all nice AJBers, he's certainly wrong!
Ah, thanks Markus :x
No point in getting all worked up over some name calling.... not worth it, BUT I appreciate your backup.
(It's funny... I hardly ever disagree with people's comments, I always try and sit on the fence... and be diplomatic. Never really sharing my views... and the moment I do... this ) How come other's can... and the moment I do, I get called a Nazi? ?:)
She's worth whatever chaos she brings to the table and you know it. ~ Mark Anthony
Thanks for reporting it, Toys. Your cackhandedly bitter, pathetic vendetta's always worth having in public. I can't really articulate my opinion of you.
In England, we say Mr... my German friend. Unless, of course, you're trying to be deliberately hostile, and in an argument you're not involved with.
And Lexi, if you don't understand your comments "I can't see that this is even in discussion" AND you have Toys as an allie, you really aren't worth the time of day.
Thanks for reporting it, Toys. Your cackhandedly bitter, pathetic vendetta's always worth having in public. I can't really articulate my opinion of you.
In England, we say Mr... my German friend. Unless, of course, you're trying to be deliberately hostile, and in an argument you're not involved with.
And Lexi, if you don't understand your comments "I can't see that this is even in discussion" AND you have Toys as an allie, you really aren't worth the time of day.
I had enough.
I do understand my comments perfectly well thank you... and I've tried, quite politely to explain them to you.... but you don't seem able or willing to do so.
You've said "I'm out of here..." several times now, but you keep posting... so perhaps it's you that doesn't understand your comments....
Interesting that you haven't answered my question, but I suppose you can't really, as I never said what you quoted me as saying.
She's worth whatever chaos she brings to the table and you know it. ~ Mark Anthony
I thought that I made clear, that I don't consider you my friend or vice versa.
On the other hand, I regard Lexi as a friend of mine and a fine lady btw.
And it seems to me that you have gone officially nuts as you are not able to differentiate between our personal disagreement (which you are calling a vendetta) and calling Lexi a Nazi. Everyone with a minimum of manners MUST stand up and take side here!
And I know where I am standing! On the side of the person whom you accused that way.
If you want to add that up into your feelings against me - so be it. I have broad shoulders to carry and I'll not loose a minute of sleep over it.
And I select my friends carefully by their character - and sorry, you fail there in every aspect!
Call it hostile, but my friendliness ends when Nazi comparisons are made.
I suggest that you are getting real and find a way to control your ego a bit!
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Another thread that has gone down the gutter--thanks entirely to MR. Schofield's gratuitous use of Nazi. That is one of the lowest insults imaginable; David, if you're serious about leaving, I'm more than happy to show you the door. Otherwise, you have been warned. And this topic is closed.
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But no one runs through a wall when it is easier to run through the space next to it. No one breaks a door handle of with Craig's Hulk-like ease (chrisisall's example notwithstanding
The sole reason for running through walls and breakin doors handles is to maintain the humour of the Bond films whcih reached its zenith with Rog's tenure and which was probably only totally purged in LTK.
The reason Craig-Bond does those things is not for logic, but for laughs.
That is part and parcel of the Bond series. The Craig Bond's are NOT dead-pan Le Carre spy films, and there is no intention or reason they should be.
Now, CR is a better film than TLD, TLD on a par with QOS, IMO. But LTK is a better film than the lot.
Does that clarify and return to topic for those afraid that threads might be ruined?
It's less complicated overall than you seem to want to make it IMO.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
Sorry, we will continue to disagree.
No one runs through a wall, breaks off a door handle deliberatley, however "easy" (?) it might apparently be, rather than avoid doing it (your reasoning that Craig easily bust the door handle (!) to prevent a corpse being found is evasion; if the body HAD been found, what effect on Bond would it have had....?) These actions are ludicrous. However super-human you or DC-Bond may be.
But you seem to want to intellectualise Craig's Bond, make them into straight thrillers, by denying the existence in them of the humour inherant in post-70s Bonds, and that is only an upward trend on the 60s originals.
It might be that there is a difference in what is considered funny between a Brit and a USA Bond fan but I do think you are not accepting what's really there. Remember, the Bonds are made for the wider multi-plex audience, not you, the knowing Bond fan,and the "average" Bond fan expects humour in the movies, not straight thrillers which you seem to make them. The two Craig gags mentioned get laughs in the cinema, as is intended by EON. Remember, the film which did not fulfill the "traditional" formula - LTK - might have been a hit with Bond fans like me, but to the general audience it was too dark and HUMOURLESSS...
Well I'm a Brit, and I can't see what you're talking about
Okay, so him running through the wall made me smile, but overall it was to show him as a 'blunt instrument' who takes the easier option, than having to jump through a very narrow opening, which like someone here states, was done by a parkour expert... so it seems the right thing to do at the time. (Or rather, the easiest option) He knew it was a building site... that was obvious, so to run through dry wall hardly seems difficult.
As for the handle breaking... now that wasn't meant to be funny... it was practical - to stop people from finding the dead body.... I can't see that this is even in discussion.. someone of Bond's strength could do this easily and seems like a very Bondian thing to do, IMO ?:)
"I can't see that this is evn in discussion"????? FFFS.
What are you, a Nazi?
It's in discussion because its my opinion that's why. Agree or disagree there has to be a element of free speech on AJB for differing opinions and THE RIGHT TO AIR THEM!!!????
However, I leave you and chrisisall with your views which I am happy for you to have.
I've been called a lot of things in my life, but a Nazi????
Wow.... mature.
It was a turn of phrase, to emphasise my surprise, but perhaps you don't like it when someone disagrees with you ?:)
And thank you for letting me have my opinon.... really kind of you.
So you don't think I have an opinion worth airing, get criticized for your failure to allow others to express their views... then come across as sarky morally outraged....
And I'm the immature one!!!
You stick with it but I'm afraid I'm out of here
I agree with your entire post, CmdrAtticus. I would also put The Living Daylights near the top of my list if only for Dalton's terrific performance as Bond, and I definitely agree he came closest to Fleming's vision of Bond. I also agree that what drags the movie down is Whitaker, and the "left overs", if I can call it that, from the Moore era.
Dalton's Bond brought a refreshing change back to its roots. While I do think that it was fantastic that the producers decided to bring back Fleming's Bond after all these years, but I think they should consistently produce movies with a Bond that echoes Fleming's Bond all the time. Dalton's stint lasted too short. They eventually got back to the over-the-top silliness Die Another Day, only for Craig to bring the seriousness back into it again.
As far as I'm concerned, the "lighter" side of Bond should be put in a closet and never again opened. Dalton's (and to a lesser extent, Craig's) darker Bond is the way the character should be portrayed. I don't think there's anywhere near enough of that in the Bond series.
okay, if you're going to misquote me, and put words in my mouth, then let me explain:
You said, and I quote
Really?.... That seems a pretty definitive statement....almost like saying that no one can, or should, or would....
I retorted with "I can't see that this is even in discussion" as I know that breaking a door handle in this situation seems perfectly plausable and the right thing to do in that situation. How else would you stop people from entering that bathroom??? Also, it has been done, and quoted as such by chrisisall So inadvertently you were calling him a liar
However what I didn't say was.... "I can't see that this is even in discussion, and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong, and NOT allowed to any opinion on it"
I said
so show me where I say you're "not entitled to your opinion",.... I even stated I was airing mine, by using IMO (that's an acronym for 'In My Opinion'....) to allow you to yours. 8-)
Are there rules on this site that say "You're not allowed to disagree with someones statement?"
Thought not.
Schofield, besides of your obvious lack of manners, do you have any shame?
I have reported your post and hope that the mods will give you the necessary timeout 8-)
Lexi, though I have nothing to do with that guy, I apologize on behalf of all upstanding AJBers, he's certainly wrong!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Ah, thanks Markus :x
No point in getting all worked up over some name calling.... not worth it, BUT I appreciate your backup.
(It's funny... I hardly ever disagree with people's comments, I always try and sit on the fence... and be diplomatic. Never really sharing my views... and the moment I do... this
In England, we say Mr... my German friend. Unless, of course, you're trying to be deliberately hostile, and in an argument you're not involved with.
And Lexi, if you don't understand your comments "I can't see that this is even in discussion" AND you have Toys as an allie, you really aren't worth the time of day.
I've had enough of this.
I do understand my comments perfectly well thank you... and I've tried, quite politely to explain them to you.... but you don't seem able or willing to do so.
You've said "I'm out of here..." several times now, but you keep posting... so perhaps it's you that doesn't understand your comments....
Interesting that you haven't answered my question, but I suppose you can't really, as I never said what you quoted me as saying.
I thought that I made clear, that I don't consider you my friend or vice versa.
On the other hand, I regard Lexi as a friend of mine and a fine lady btw.
And it seems to me that you have gone officially nuts as you are not able to differentiate between our personal disagreement (which you are calling a vendetta) and calling Lexi a Nazi. Everyone with a minimum of manners MUST stand up and take side here!
And I know where I am standing! On the side of the person whom you accused that way.
If you want to add that up into your feelings against me - so be it. I have broad shoulders to carry and I'll not loose a minute of sleep over it.
And I select my friends carefully by their character - and sorry, you fail there in every aspect!
Call it hostile, but my friendliness ends when Nazi comparisons are made.
I suggest that you are getting real and find a way to control your ego a bit!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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