Which version of Bond's PPK was your favourite?

chrisisall

Okay, it might seem picky to some, a gun is a gun, right? But there were several versions through the years, nickle plated, black, gun-metal grey, black grip, dark brown, orange-y, extended clip foot, flat...
And now a palm-reader (does it tell the future? ) )

What's your fave?
Do you own it?
Is it real of a replica?

Le Samourai

Hmmm... I'm not sure, so I'll be a bit obnoxious and say the PPK from DN, which wasn't actually a PPK at all. It was a Walther PP. Essentially the same pistol with a longer barrel and grip.

chrisisall

Le Samourai wrote:

Hmmm... I'm not sure, so I'll be a bit obnoxious and say the PPK from DN, which wasn't actually a PPK at all. It was a Walther PP. Essentially the same pistol with a longer barrel and grip.

I like black. With the clip 'foot' for better grip.

BunsenPPK

Not a fan of the silver/nickel plated PPK, seems too "bling" for Bond. Personal preference is blued slide and frame, black grips and the plastic magazine extension... awesome

chrisisall

BunsenPPK wrote:

Not a fan of the silver/nickel plated PPK, seems too "bling" for Bond. Personal preference is blued slide and frame, black grips and the plastic magazine extension... awesome

Forgive my ignorance here, but 'blued'? Have I been mistaking dark blue for black all this time? Or does blued just appear black onscreen? ?:)

7289

In Dr. No Bond carried a Model PP, that was a prop error, it was supposed to be a PPK.

In Octopussy he used the Walther P-5, and then adopted the Walther P99 for a few films. oo7's PPK has always been a stock blued model and since each pistol comes from the factory with two magazines - one flat and one extended, that doesn't seem to me to be a major variation. In the 1980's Walther stopped making brown plastic grips in favor of black plastic like the rest of the Walther lineup.

Other than some promo stills for Casino Royale, Bond has never officially used a "silver" PPK.

Despite some very subtle differences the PPK has always been the same. So in my book it's PPK, P5 or P99...

BunsenPPK

chrisisall wrote:

BunsenPPK wrote:

Not a fan of the silver/nickel plated PPK, seems too "bling" for Bond. Personal preference is blued slide and frame, black grips and the plastic magazine extension... awesome

Forgive my ignorance here, but 'blued'? Have I been mistaking dark blue for black all this time? Or does blued just appear black onscreen? ?:)

I'm not sure, like I said it's a personal preference thing. On http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Goldfinger the pictures they show for this particular film, the PPK seems to be black. They may have used a blued variant throughout the 22 films but I really don't know.

BunsenPPK

7289 wrote:

In Dr. No Bond carried a Model PP, that was a prop error, it was supposed to be a PPK.

In Octopussy he used the Walther P-5, and then adopted the Walther P99 for a few films. oo7's PPK has always been a stock blued model and since each pistol comes from the factory with two magazines - one flat and one extended, that doesn't seem to me to be a major variation. In the 1980's Walther stopped making brown plastic grips in favor of black plastic like the rest of the Walther lineup.

Other than some promo stills for Casino Royale, Bond has never officially used a "silver" PPK.

Despite some very subtle differences the PPK has always been the same. So in my book it's PPK, P5 or P99...

Octopussy: Bond "misplaces" his PPK in India and is given the P5, but its not seen ( being used by Bond) again, except for NSNA.
Tomorrow Never Dies: Bond uses PPK until he's in Wai Lin's place in Shanghai, were he picks out the P99 and states he wanted Q to get him one.

Also in LTK Dalton uses a WWII era PPK with orange Bakelite grips http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Licence_To_Kill#Walther_PPK

chrisisall

In DAD I believe it's a P99 all the way, yes?

BunsenPPK

chrisisall wrote:

In DAD I believe it's a P99 all the way, yes?

Correct, but let's not talk about that one... )

chrisisall

BunsenPPK wrote:

Also in LTK Dalton uses a WWII era PPK with orange Bakelite grips http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Licence_To_Kill#Walther_PPK

Ah, but that's because of the available armourer for the shoot, nes pas?

chrisisall

BunsenPPK wrote:

Correct, but let's not talk about that one... )

Sorry, bad memories as I've said.... )

Le Samourai

chrisisall wrote:

BunsenPPK wrote:

Not a fan of the silver/nickel plated PPK, seems too "bling" for Bond. Personal preference is blued slide and frame, black grips and the plastic magazine extension... awesome

Forgive my ignorance here, but 'blued'? Have I been mistaking dark blue for black all this time? Or does blued just appear black onscreen? ?:)

Gun bluing refers to the color of the steel parts of a firearm that have been chemically treated to help resist rust and corrosion. Very few metal firearms are truly black. There are some high-tech finishes that will blacken a metal gun, but they aren't especially common. Polymer guns such as Glocks or the Walther P99 could be considered black.

But, to your question above, Bond's "black" PPKs are in fact PPKs with a blued finish. And that's how they would be described, "blued" not "blue." Black would not be accurate, and a "blue gun" refers to a type of plastic training gun.

James Suzuki

I quite liked the one Q gave him in Octopussy

Higgins

xboy614 wrote:

I quite liked the one Q gave him in Octopussy

which was a P5 as far as I know

BunsenPPK

Bondtoys wrote:

xboy614 wrote:

I quite liked the one Q gave him in Octopussy

which was a P5 as far as I know

Yup

minigeff

With regards the blued finish, the chemical used to provided the protective coating is actually a blue colour, hence the name. You prepare the firearm then dip it in the chemical. The longer you leave it in the dip, the thicker the coating and darker the appearance. So yes, the gun isn't black, but actually a very dark blue. I believe an earlier process used brown coloured chemicals.

As for my favourite ppk, it'd have to be the GE ppk with silencer. phut phut B-)

BunsenPPK

minigeff wrote:

With regards the blued finish, the chemical used to provided the protective coating is actually a blue colour, hence the name. You prepare the firearm then dip it in the chemical. The longer you leave it in the dip, the thicker the coating and darker the appearance. So yes, the gun isn't black, but actually a very dark blue. I believe an earlier process used brown coloured chemicals.

As for my favourite ppk, it'd have to be the GE ppk with silencer. phut phut B-)

Nice... and thanks for extra info

minigeff

BunsenPPK wrote:

minigeff wrote:

With regards the blued finish, the chemical used to provided the protective coating is actually a blue colour, hence the name. You prepare the firearm then dip it in the chemical. The longer you leave it in the dip, the thicker the coating and darker the appearance. So yes, the gun isn't black, but actually a very dark blue. I believe an earlier process used brown coloured chemicals.

As for my favourite ppk, it'd have to be the GE ppk with silencer. phut phut B-)

Nice... and thanks for extra info

no problem, always glad to help -{

chrisisall

minigeff wrote:

So yes, the gun isn't black, but actually a very dark blue.

I gotta repaint my gun?

minigeff

chrisisall wrote:

minigeff wrote:

So yes, the gun isn't black, but actually a very dark blue.

I gotta repaint my gun?

i wouldnt bother mate, when i say 'dark blue' i mean so dark that many mistake it for black, much in the same way 'black' jeans are actually very dark green or purple.

chrisisall

minigeff wrote:

i wouldnt bother mate, when i say 'dark blue' i mean so dark that many mistake it for black,

You saved me a lot of work there...

danjaq_0ff

Back in my Gunsmith days, blueing or Browning was a chemical applied several times, each time you applied it you had to remove a layer of rust then re apply the chemical until you got the desired effect .

Much easier to use satin black spray paint for a display piece -{

chrisisall

danjaq_0ff wrote:

Much easier to use satin black spray paint for a display piece -{

If I were to go for it, what about a thin coat of dark blue, then the black (before the blue dries) so that just a super subtle hint of the blue remained in the black?

minigeff

chrisisall wrote:

danjaq_0ff wrote:

Much easier to use satin black spray paint for a display piece -{

If I were to go for it, what about a thin coat of dark blue, then the black (before the blue dries) so that just a super subtle hint of the blue remained in the black?

unless it was a very light dusting i don't think this would work.

to be honest, you have to think what is proportionately appropriate for this project.

if the replica you was using was 100% spot on screen accurate then I'd say it was worth it, if not then, in my mind, there might not be much point going to such lengths mate.

what you have there is an item thats fine for looks, the black appearance is a good standard and i'd stick with that. it's all down to personal preference.

danjaq_0ff

It is a weird thing Chris, The chemical you put on for blueing is blue, like MG pointed out, but to the naked eye it is black, so putting blue paint on first might make it look a bit weird

minigeff

Plus theres the matter of masking parts off, like the breech etc. the more paint you put on, the more the appearance will start to suffer, fine details will start to disappear, and you have the risk of getting an uneven effect if you go for the dusting idea, AND there's the risk of a dreaded paint run.

unless you have a professional spray gun to use and know how to use it to it's full poitential, i'd say leave it as it is mate.

it looks great from where i'm sat.

MG -{

chrisisall

minigeff wrote:

if the replica you was using was 100% spot on screen accurate then I'd say it was worth it, if not then, in my mind, there might not be much point going to such lengths mate.

Well, I actually ordered a second one that I plan to disassemble & really make it screen accurate for display, so I'll pull out all the stops on that one (the Walther emblem won't be easy), this one is my toy to shoot bb's into paper with,

so I'll leave it pretty much as it is now.

danjaq_0ff

looks cool mate -{

chrisisall

minigeff wrote:

unless you have a professional spray gun to use and know how to use it to it's full poitential, i'd say leave it as it is mate.

I have some experience... 8-)
Here's a Star Trek VI phaser I made entirely from scratch


(the handle for that gun is a rip off of a Berretta 9mm which I had to make from plastic), it's waiting to be molded & cast, so I actually do this stuff a lot... :007) )

Higgins

well, here is the story differently re. the blackening of gunmetal.

http://www.hodinkee.com/a-closer-look-crafting-the-ralph-lauren-rl67s-gunmetal-case

I'll admit that RL is not the greates watchmaker company but the Hodinkee guys usually know their stuff