WOW!!!! Talisa Soto did a great job? The 'I love James SOOO much" line seemed "natural" to you??? Seriously??? Oh wait, I get it! There's a prize for the Most Controversial Bond Opinion, right? Okay - I'm ready to declare you and Dutchfinger the co-winners RIGHT NOW!
I've just remembered another controversial opinion of mine: I hate Jaws. I think he's the most ridiculous, and dumbest idea for a henchman in the entire series.
WOW!!!! Talisa Soto did a great job? The 'I love James SOOO much" line seemed "natural" to you??? Seriously??? Oh wait, I get it! There's a prize for the Most Controversial Bond Opinion, right? Okay - I'm ready to declare you and Dutchfinger the co-winners RIGHT NOW!
Well, like I mentioned it's quite an off norm oppinion, but have you atleast given my interpertation behind it some thought? Most people seem to think the line is completly out of context, because Talisa only slept with Bond once, and couldn't possibly develop such "love" for him in the next scene... Well, that's exactly my point. Personally, I think most people mis interpertate this line... Just view this scene, (or maybe even the entire movie) in the perspective I'm suggesting. I think it's pretty obvious it's supposed to be a taunt instead of 'bad acting'... Hell, Pam even clearly acts pissed off when Lupe leaves the room, quoting her "I love James SOO much 8-) " .. Which is exactly what Lupe was trying to do...
Ohwell, hate my oppinion all you want, call me crazy, I just personally always thought of it this way... And besides, is it also controversial to think Talisa was one of the best looking Bond girls as well?
I've just remembered another controversial opinion of mine: I hate Jaws. I think he's the most ridiculous, and dumbest idea for a henchman in the entire series.
I agree for MR, but in TSWLM, the comic book level the movie was going for (and achieved) allows for his type of grandiosity IMO. Jaws would never, EVER work in a Dalton or Craig film.
Actually, I have watched the film several times and every time her acting seems worse. And it's not just in that scene, although that's the most egregious example. When she orders Krest out of her cabin, for example, her voice is so flat and unaffected, that she could have been asking him to pass the salt. I give you credit, however, for giving a different perspective on Ms. Soto's performance, but I stand by my original view. Of course, you obviously were fully aware that based on the many comments about Ms. Soto's acting posted in this forum that not many would share your opinion, so I know you aren't shocked or offended by my post. But I must say that I agree wholeheartedly with Dutchfinger that Talisa Soto is definitely one of the best looking of all Bond Girls. In the top five, at least!
WOW!!!! Talisa Soto did a great job? The 'I love James SOOO much" line seemed "natural" to you??? Seriously??? Oh wait, I get it! There's a prize for the Most Controversial Bond Opinion, right? Okay - I'm ready to declare you and Dutchfinger the co-winners RIGHT NOW!
Well, like I mentioned it's quite an off norm oppinion, but have you atleast given my interpertation behind it some thought? Most people seem to think the line is completly out of context, because Talisa only slept with Bond once, and couldn't possibly develop such "love" for him in the next scene... Well, that's exactly my point. Personally, I think most people mis interpertate this line... Just view this scene, (or maybe even the entire movie) in the perspective I'm suggesting. I think it's pretty obvious it's supposed to be a taunt instead of 'bad acting'... Hell, Pam even clearly acts pissed off when Lupe leaves the room, quoting her "I love James SOO much 8-) " .. Which is exactly what Lupe was trying to do...
Ohwell, hate my oppinion all you want, call me crazy, I just personally always thought of it this way... And besides, is it also controversial to think Talisa was one of the best looking Bond girls as well?
Haha well, might have been a VERY controversial oppinion, but atleast we didn't say that Denise Richards and Tanya Roberts were believable in their roles! )
I say this one by Halcon is more controversial though:
"Octopussy theme 'All Time High' is the best Bond theme ever."
We're must all be high,
We'll change all that's gone before.
Singing words to a song that no one will love.
On an all time high,
We'll play this crap theme and wait.
For the munchies to come, let the feast begin.
Haha well, might have been a VERY controversial oppinion, but atleast we didn't say that Denise Richards and Tanya Roberts were believable in their roles! )
And this is where I'm gonna add more controversy
While Stacey Sutton is not a great bond girl (and I can understand why others don't like her), I do actually think that in a way she was believable in the role. Basically, in life there are many people who are knowledgeable on a certain subject, but have absolutely no common sense. Stacey is just that IMO.
I've just remembered another controversial opinion of mine: I hate Jaws. I think he's the most ridiculous, and dumbest idea for a henchman in the entire series.
I agree for MR, but in TSWLM, the comic book level the movie was going for (and achieved) allows for his type of grandiosity IMO. Jaws would never, EVER work in a Dalton or Craig film.
Yes, less so in TSWLM definitely. While I don't particularly like him in TSWLM, he's better than he is in MR (where most of my "hate" for him comes from).
Haha well, might have been a VERY controversial oppinion, but atleast we didn't say that Denise Richards and Tanya Roberts were believable in their roles! )
While Stacey Sutton is not a great bond girl (and I can understand why others don't like her), I do actually think that in a way she was believable in the role. Basically, in life there are many people who are knowledgeable on a certain subject, but have absolutely no common sense. Stacey is just that IMO.
Hmmm, intresting oppinion. But I don't think I could really get along with that one... (Much like my 'I Love james so much" line thing really..) Sure, people who are very knowledgable often have no common sense, yes. I agree. I do know such people in life as well actually, I would agree. But Tanya Roberts is a blonde 80'ies babe!! When she's talking to Bond about all of the technical stuff, you can really tell that she has NO idea what she is talking about. It just isn't believable to me! (much like Denise Richards)
But Tanya Roberts is a blonde 80'ies babe!! When she's talking to Bond about all of the technical stuff, you can really tell that she has NO idea what she is talking about. It just isn't believable to me! (much like Denise Richards)
Dude, don't dis Denise! A hot body & squeaky bimbo voice does NOT preclude technical expertise nor Masters degrees! I mean, just look how many smokin' female quantum physics teachers appear in Playboy!
-I not only liked YOLT, but believe Akiko Wakabayashi is the hottest Bond girl. I like Japanese women, so sue me.
-I found the one and only cringe-worthy moment in FRWL to be Q saying the AR-7 was a .25. As an amateur gunsmith, I can tell you right now that there is absolutely no way, even if you constructed a new barrel, to get a .25 caliber AR-7. They should have used the bolt-action AR-5, which was similar but chambered in .22 Hornet, a centerfire caliber.
-Cringing in DN when Bond explains to a scared Professor Dent that the gun he has is a Smith & Wesson and he'd just fired his sixth and final shot. It'a an M1911A1, idiot, you have at least two more shots (three if you put one "up the spout")! Never mind that Bond was shooting him with an FN...
-Cringing in YOLT at the overly destructive power of the Gyrojet Rocket Guns...which can attain the ballistics of a .45 ACP or thereabouts. And have to be solid slugs, otherwise the rocket fuel would blow them up (Bob Maynard, who designed them, literally couldn't even figure out how to make them fire HP or JHP ammo).
-Finding it annoying in OHMSS that Blofeld is in a neck brace while Irma Bunt fires at Bond. Uh, hello? In the book, Blofeld fired at Bond (and hit and killed Tracy by accident, but that was also Irma Bunt's intent in the film). It made us readers of Ian Fleming hate Blofeld a lot more.
-Liking DAF as a self-contained film and a terrific adult comedy for its time.
-Not finding Jill St. John attractive in the least...although that seems to be more common than I thought.
-Not finding Denise Richards physically attractive, even character aside. Am I the only person who thinks her features are way too sharp? On the flipside, I felt rather differently toward Sophie Marceau in that same film.
-Would you mind giving Bond a Bentley T1 Convertible OR Coupe/Corniche/Corniche II/Continental as his daily driver during the Connery, Moore, and Dalton years and split the role with the Aston-Martin? It's obviously not the car Fleming had in mind, but he was seemingly quite ardent that Bond at least own a Bentley of some kind.
-Okay, I get Bond carrying a PPK, but why not have Felix Leiter carry a Colt Commander Lightweight 9mm? I mean, his character in the books didn't seem too attached to the PPK after a while (in rather stark contrast to Bond, who hates it initially but then really takes a liking to it over "that damned Beretta"), I've fired both guns, and I'm not sure who in their right mind would carry the PPK unless it was the middle of summer.
-Can we see Bond being forced to use a makeshift car at a disadvantage that ISN'T played for laughs (a la the 2CV) just once? I'm sorry, but the Alfa Romeo in OP doesn't count. It's a really good car. Heck, stick Bond in China and force him to steal a BJ212 or Shanghai Volkswagen Santana; neither of these would be laughably bad, although they wouldn't be good.
-Believing that it was *not* the glass bottles and really was Bond's urine that killed a guy in NSNA, thereby ruining the film. Why would they have stuck a label on it, otherwise? Saturday Night Live eventually reacted with a sketch claiming he had 132 different, uh, social diseases as a result.
-I liked GE's soundtrack (although the far less controversial LALD soundtrack and TLD soundtrack rank above it).
-Was my Dad the only one that didn't need a native-born Russian to point out that in GE, Bond telling everyone that Alec Trevelyan was a Cossack was not a knock on Alec Trevelyan, but rather playing off then-fairly common Russian bigotry toward Cossacks (which both Zukovsky and Ourumov illustrate examples of)? It was actually a brilliant plot point, but nobody got it.
-Look, I loved Jack Wade's ZAZ-965A Zaporozhets. But you know, you can obtain the same laughable results with a ZAZ-968M, which is exponentially less conspicuous and a number of Russians would actually have been driving during the early 1990's.
-Could Le Chiffre have possibly had something else to use as a stimulant? Literally everyone I know that saw CR thought he was using an asthma inhaler.
-That AVTAK would have been a pretty solid film if you gave the Stacey Sutton role to someone more assertive.
1. OHMSS is a GREAT Bond film and George Lazenby should have been Bond until Craig took over (yes, I mean Craig).
2. The Goldfinger book is one big play-by-play of a game of golf.
3. The Broccolis should let someone else take effective control for the films after Craig's run. I am grateful to the Broccolis for elevating the series to the level it is at, but I'm among those who would like to see a more sublime, Fleming-esque portrayal of Bond that is potentially a period piece (based in the time of the actual books with the actual vehicles). Bond's core fans are often refined, culturally-aware individuals who could appreciate something more low key.
But hey, this thread is all about controversy, eh? )
Well, I was fully embracing controversy, but I don't dislike Dalton. I preferred his portrayal to that of Brosnan. I just think that Lazenby, by whatever oddball means, somehow nailed Bond like no other. I think it actually has something to do with his lack of acting refinement. It gave him a certain reluctance that really makes the character more believable. It really worked if you ask me.
I'm guessing jack wades little car was chosen for the comedy factor, with wade and bond shoehorned in for good measure.
And le chiffre's puffer wasn't an inhaler? Sure looks like it to me, actually it's not, it's a piece of machined aluminium with a short rod of Ali for the canister, which sits on a foam pad to provide the squishy action, but don't tell anyone.
-Roger Moore looked older in FYEO than in AVTAK, which is a far superior film.
-Craig is alright as Bond even though he really can't act.
-Brosnan is terrible as Bond, never a convincing action hero and no sense of believable vulnerability.
-Lazenby was a good Bond and should have got a Blofeld-centred trilogy with Telly Savalas in all 3.
-Connery was awesome for 4 films but then lost interest and YOLT was unbelievably ****.
-Dalton is obviously the best Bond and would have been extremely popular in a different era.
“Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to a better understanding of ourselves.” - Carl Jung
I just think that Lazenby, by whatever oddball means, somehow nailed Bond like no other.
Then I'll continue the controversy:
I think Lazenby was a better Bond than Connery.
Somehow, I agree. Actually, IMO each actor nailed some aspect of 007 in a different way. Connery really got the machismo right, and had great looks/suits. You can't really deny that he set the bar in Dr. No. But, overall, in terms of getting the most elements right in comparison to Fleming's literary character, Lazenby nailed it.
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1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
Well, like I mentioned it's quite an off norm oppinion, but have you atleast given my interpertation behind it some thought? Most people seem to think the line is completly out of context, because Talisa only slept with Bond once, and couldn't possibly develop such "love" for him in the next scene... Well, that's exactly my point. Personally, I think most people mis interpertate this line... Just view this scene, (or maybe even the entire movie) in the perspective I'm suggesting. I think it's pretty obvious it's supposed to be a taunt instead of 'bad acting'... Hell, Pam even clearly acts pissed off when Lupe leaves the room, quoting her "I love James SOO much 8-) " .. Which is exactly what Lupe was trying to do...
Ohwell, hate my oppinion all you want, call me crazy, I just personally always thought of it this way... And besides, is it also controversial to think Talisa was one of the best looking Bond girls as well?
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What do we get? Bronzed PPK's? I'd fancy that!
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"Octopussy theme 'All Time High' is the best Bond theme ever."
We're must all be high,
We'll change all that's gone before.
Singing words to a song that no one will love.
On an all time high,
We'll play this crap theme and wait.
For the munchies to come, let the feast begin.
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And this is where I'm gonna add more controversy
While Stacey Sutton is not a great bond girl (and I can understand why others don't like her), I do actually think that in a way she was believable in the role. Basically, in life there are many people who are knowledgeable on a certain subject, but have absolutely no common sense. Stacey is just that IMO.
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
Yes, less so in TSWLM definitely. While I don't particularly like him in TSWLM, he's better than he is in MR (where most of my "hate" for him comes from).
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
Judgement: Not Controversial
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Hmmm, intresting oppinion. But I don't think I could really get along with that one... (Much like my 'I Love james so much" line thing really..) Sure, people who are very knowledgable often have no common sense, yes. I agree. I do know such people in life as well actually, I would agree. But Tanya Roberts is a blonde 80'ies babe!! When she's talking to Bond about all of the technical stuff, you can really tell that she has NO idea what she is talking about. It just isn't believable to me! (much like Denise Richards)
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-I found the one and only cringe-worthy moment in FRWL to be Q saying the AR-7 was a .25. As an amateur gunsmith, I can tell you right now that there is absolutely no way, even if you constructed a new barrel, to get a .25 caliber AR-7. They should have used the bolt-action AR-5, which was similar but chambered in .22 Hornet, a centerfire caliber.
-Cringing in DN when Bond explains to a scared Professor Dent that the gun he has is a Smith & Wesson and he'd just fired his sixth and final shot. It'a an M1911A1, idiot, you have at least two more shots (three if you put one "up the spout")! Never mind that Bond was shooting him with an FN...
-Cringing in YOLT at the overly destructive power of the Gyrojet Rocket Guns...which can attain the ballistics of a .45 ACP or thereabouts. And have to be solid slugs, otherwise the rocket fuel would blow them up (Bob Maynard, who designed them, literally couldn't even figure out how to make them fire HP or JHP ammo).
-Finding it annoying in OHMSS that Blofeld is in a neck brace while Irma Bunt fires at Bond. Uh, hello? In the book, Blofeld fired at Bond (and hit and killed Tracy by accident, but that was also Irma Bunt's intent in the film). It made us readers of Ian Fleming hate Blofeld a lot more.
-Liking DAF as a self-contained film and a terrific adult comedy for its time.
-Not finding Jill St. John attractive in the least...although that seems to be more common than I thought.
-Not finding Denise Richards physically attractive, even character aside. Am I the only person who thinks her features are way too sharp? On the flipside, I felt rather differently toward Sophie Marceau in that same film.
-Would you mind giving Bond a Bentley T1 Convertible OR Coupe/Corniche/Corniche II/Continental as his daily driver during the Connery, Moore, and Dalton years and split the role with the Aston-Martin? It's obviously not the car Fleming had in mind, but he was seemingly quite ardent that Bond at least own a Bentley of some kind.
-Okay, I get Bond carrying a PPK, but why not have Felix Leiter carry a Colt Commander Lightweight 9mm? I mean, his character in the books didn't seem too attached to the PPK after a while (in rather stark contrast to Bond, who hates it initially but then really takes a liking to it over "that damned Beretta"), I've fired both guns, and I'm not sure who in their right mind would carry the PPK unless it was the middle of summer.
-Can we see Bond being forced to use a makeshift car at a disadvantage that ISN'T played for laughs (a la the 2CV) just once? I'm sorry, but the Alfa Romeo in OP doesn't count. It's a really good car. Heck, stick Bond in China and force him to steal a BJ212 or Shanghai Volkswagen Santana; neither of these would be laughably bad, although they wouldn't be good.
-Believing that it was *not* the glass bottles and really was Bond's urine that killed a guy in NSNA, thereby ruining the film. Why would they have stuck a label on it, otherwise? Saturday Night Live eventually reacted with a sketch claiming he had 132 different, uh, social diseases as a result.
-I liked GE's soundtrack (although the far less controversial LALD soundtrack and TLD soundtrack rank above it).
-Was my Dad the only one that didn't need a native-born Russian to point out that in GE, Bond telling everyone that Alec Trevelyan was a Cossack was not a knock on Alec Trevelyan, but rather playing off then-fairly common Russian bigotry toward Cossacks (which both Zukovsky and Ourumov illustrate examples of)? It was actually a brilliant plot point, but nobody got it.
-Look, I loved Jack Wade's ZAZ-965A Zaporozhets. But you know, you can obtain the same laughable results with a ZAZ-968M, which is exponentially less conspicuous and a number of Russians would actually have been driving during the early 1990's.
-Could Le Chiffre have possibly had something else to use as a stimulant? Literally everyone I know that saw CR thought he was using an asthma inhaler.
-That AVTAK would have been a pretty solid film if you gave the Stacey Sutton role to someone more assertive.
There ya go. Pick 'em apart!
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Connery is very over-rated as Bond and is out-shone by Dalton and Craig by a country mile.
In the first few films, Moneypenny was HOT!
The Goldeneye score is one of the best in the series.
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2. The Goldfinger book is one big play-by-play of a game of golf.
3. The Broccolis should let someone else take effective control for the films after Craig's run. I am grateful to the Broccolis for elevating the series to the level it is at, but I'm among those who would like to see a more sublime, Fleming-esque portrayal of Bond that is potentially a period piece (based in the time of the actual books with the actual vehicles). Bond's core fans are often refined, culturally-aware individuals who could appreciate something more low key.
But hey, this thread is all about controversy, eh?
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Well, I was fully embracing controversy, but I don't dislike Dalton. I preferred his portrayal to that of Brosnan. I just think that Lazenby, by whatever oddball means, somehow nailed Bond like no other. I think it actually has something to do with his lack of acting refinement. It gave him a certain reluctance that really makes the character more believable. It really worked if you ask me.
I think Lazenby was a better Bond than Connery.
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And le chiffre's puffer wasn't an inhaler? Sure looks like it to me, actually it's not, it's a piece of machined aluminium with a short rod of Ali for the canister, which sits on a foam pad to provide the squishy action, but don't tell anyone.
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-Craig is alright as Bond even though he really can't act.
-Brosnan is terrible as Bond, never a convincing action hero and no sense of believable vulnerability.
-Lazenby was a good Bond and should have got a Blofeld-centred trilogy with Telly Savalas in all 3.
-Connery was awesome for 4 films but then lost interest and YOLT was unbelievably ****.
-Dalton is obviously the best Bond and would have been extremely popular in a different era.
....I'm the guy with the gun.
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Somehow, I agree. Actually, IMO each actor nailed some aspect of 007 in a different way. Connery really got the machismo right, and had great looks/suits. You can't really deny that he set the bar in Dr. No. But, overall, in terms of getting the most elements right in comparison to Fleming's literary character, Lazenby nailed it.