Time between QoS and Skyfall (Potential Spoilers)
Solaris
Blackpool, UKPosts: 308MI6 Agent
How much time, and how many missions, have happened in between the two films? is the time difference the same 4 years that the audience has had to wait or is it more? or less?
The Bond of Quantum of Solace is still very much the rebellious new recruit, with it being a direct continuation from Casino Royale (despite the gap in between films). whilst in Skyfall, particularly in the scene in M's house. it appears that Bond has been in this game a long time. being much more world weary and needing to reinvigorate himself.
I really really enjoyed Skyfall and I loved the story it was putting forward but I did find it somewhat Jarring trying to match the rebellious, not fully formed, Bond of CR and QoS to this Jaded, lost his way, Bond of now. with characters, like Silva, saying 'is there any of the old 007 left?' when did we actually see 'the old 007'? meaning that the more Bondlike Bond that he appears to become in the closing scenes of the film is New to us as the audience, but is it new in terms of narrative, was this what Bond was like post QoS and Pre Skyfall that we never saw, or was he still the angry man who needed this bruised ego to realign himself?
The Bond of Quantum of Solace is still very much the rebellious new recruit, with it being a direct continuation from Casino Royale (despite the gap in between films). whilst in Skyfall, particularly in the scene in M's house. it appears that Bond has been in this game a long time. being much more world weary and needing to reinvigorate himself.
I really really enjoyed Skyfall and I loved the story it was putting forward but I did find it somewhat Jarring trying to match the rebellious, not fully formed, Bond of CR and QoS to this Jaded, lost his way, Bond of now. with characters, like Silva, saying 'is there any of the old 007 left?' when did we actually see 'the old 007'? meaning that the more Bondlike Bond that he appears to become in the closing scenes of the film is New to us as the audience, but is it new in terms of narrative, was this what Bond was like post QoS and Pre Skyfall that we never saw, or was he still the angry man who needed this bruised ego to realign himself?
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Casino Royale
Quantum Of Solace
Goldeneye
Goldfinger
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Licence To Kill
Die Another Day
Moonraker
Skyfall
This is were we stick the "Please insert the Connery,Lazenby,Moore,Dalton and Brosnan Movies Here " sign :007)
Single universe - All the movies take place in the same universe
Multi universe - Casino Royal splits off the Universe of Dr. No -> DAD
In single universe, Skyfall would seem to land after DAD. Mostly due to the referenced gadgets and Q scene. This means the female M in Skyfall is same M starting in Goldeneye, and the female M in Casino-Quantum is different. The only thing that kind screws this up is the Monnypenny scene. We could try to explain this as Monnypenny being a code name and she's a new Monnypenny that replaces the old one. The new M at the end likes old fashion padded doors and wood, and redesigns the office, rather quickly i may add
In the multi universe, we see Skyfall after QoS. Since Quantum isn't in the movie, we could say that Bond had a nice long career in taking them down. Then Skyfall happens. This is ruined by the homages to the old movies and Q scene. Well its a new universe but there is some bleeding overlap. So the same DB5 and exploding pens where made in both universes.
Either way you want to look at it, Skyfall writers weren't trying very hard to keep any sort of continuous timeline, and screwed it all up in just one script. It pretty much all made sense up until Skyfall...
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Not really because those films had a male M, and Skyfall's new M is also male...
...wait, I'm getting confused.
Okay, this comment has been bugging me since you posted...can you explain what you mean by Wildcat?
Just figured out Augusta Westland is to do with helicopters...(thanks to the link on page 1) but no idea what that has to do with being set in the future...
If you could enlighten...that would be fab
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So I'd say probably more than 5 at least.
And I think people are going over the top trying to understand the continuity of Craig's Bond vs. the other Bonds vs. Fleming's Bond. I think the presence of Q's gadgets in the SkyFall script implies no timeline at all, but rather is a simple reference to past films and only humorously implies that MI6 has a history of that stuff, regardless of how we know that.
I agree with this from above:
I believe the producers have said this in one of the documentaries.
Yeah but I'd set it 6 years after QOS considering the latter followed the events of Casino Royale an one hour later.
All the technology, phones etc set Quantum in 2008.
Also Mathis now has that house and girlfriend in QoS and looks settled in and talks about the MI6 pay off as the past as opposed to something that happened a few days/weeks ago.
Also MI6 looks very different.
It doesn't actually make sense
if they are set immediately after each other ie. the same year.
But then again we could also go into the fact that (correct me if I'm wrong) that DC is wearing a
different suit at the end of Casino than the start of Quantum.
I think that certainly makes some sense. He was indeed in a different color car and different clothes on the actors. I think it is most likely that they sacrificed continuity and the story is indeed short pick-up of the end of Casino Royale, but the gap would explain the continuity and leave us wondering what they were doing with White imprisoned for two years and then having Bond move him.
I think it is most likely that QoS is in 2008, and they disregarded the timing connection that allows the opening to attach to CR. SkyFall, I assume has to be at least the 4 years, but likely more based on the tones and expressions around Bond's career in SkyFall.
Thank you.
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If the scene at the end of CR was in 2006 and the opening of QoS was 2008, then they have to have disregarded time and continuity for the sake of keeping the story in the present. This is what I assume they did.
I can't really imagine the explanation for why two years could really have passed between CR and QoS unless for an unknown reason they had Bond moving White for a second time when he was still in their possession.
We know without a doubt that the Craig films were a pseudo reboot. Not an absolutely explicit one, but we were warned that past continuity would not be absolutely secure.
As my friend Kev says, you really have to enjoy the gambit of movies with a "squinty eye." He means that there is no way for continuity to work at this point, so just sit back and enjoy without over thinking things.
To be honest, I first questioned the blatant continuity problems that I thought were avoidable. Why cast Dench? But I learned to really enjoy her performance. So I'll use that squinty eye to imagine the GE M is not the same woman.
Why is he using a P99 in CR? Squinty eye.
Perhaps someday, we will be treated to a "reboot" that is a period piece. Set in the 60s, at the height of the Cold War, smack in the middle of the Connery time period. That would be really cool. But short of this, no contemporary Bond scenario is going to be 100% continuous. For Heaven's sake, Craig was born 6 years after Dr. No was in theaters. Geopolitically, at some point, some major Bond plots do not work.
With all that said, along with my squinty eye, I still think it's fun (and possible) to create a timeline that works. If I were ordering the Bond movies, I'd probably list them like this:
CR
QoS
GF
DN
FRWL
TB
OHMSS* (these two are hopeless together)
YOLT* (and somewhat interchangeable. I don't like that Bond wouldn't seek revenge in YOLT but it makes more sense that Blofeld's line introducing himself for the first time was "sarcasm" Blofeld not recognizing him in OHMSS)
TSWLM
TLD
GE Pre title sequence
TMWGG
LLD
LTK
GE
DAF
TMWTGG
TND
FYEO
DAD
SKYFALL
TWINE
OP
Moonraker
AVTAK
5 years for an MI6 is a long time. It takes a toll on you.
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